---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/16/08: 52 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:38 AM - Re: q (David Lucas) 2. 05:14 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (David Key) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: Flying with VGs (possums) 5. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: axle fittings (boyd) 6. 10:53 AM - Trailering a FireFly (David Kulp) 7. 11:15 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 8. 11:43 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Hose.A) 9. 11:43 AM - Possum's funny indicator thing-y (Bob Noyer) 10. 12:49 PM - New Kolbee (Lanny Fetterman) 11. 12:51 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Hauck) 12. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Hauck) 13. 01:45 PM - Re: Trailering a FireFly (George Alexander) 14. 01:51 PM - TNK (John Hauck) 15. 02:22 PM - Re: TNK (John Hauck) 16. 02:32 PM - Re: axle fittings (Jim ODay) 17. 03:08 PM - Possum's funny indicator thing-y (possums) 18. 03:13 PM - TNK trip (william sullivan) 19. 03:13 PM - Re: TNK (Mike Welch) 20. 03:27 PM - Re: Possum's funny indicator thing-y (robert bean) 21. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 22. 03:34 PM - Hose.A's plane (william sullivan) 23. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Trailering a FireFly (Gene Ledbetter) 24. 03:46 PM - Re: TNK (John Hauck) 25. 03:47 PM - Re: Possum's funny indicator thing-y (John Hauck) 26. 03:54 PM - Re: TNK (John Hauck) 27. 04:00 PM - Re: Hose.A's plane (John Hauck) 28. 04:47 PM - Re: TNK (Wade Lawicki) 29. 04:56 PM - Re: TNK trip (Dana Hague) 30. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Russ Kinne) 31. 05:36 PM - Takeoff & landing & stall help (grantr) 32. 05:57 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Bickham) 33. 06:24 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Possums) 34. 06:28 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (planecrazzzy) 35. 06:39 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (David Key) 36. 06:55 PM - Re: TNK (Denny Rowe) 37. 06:55 PM - Re: TNK (Ralph B) 38. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne) 39. 07:12 PM - Re: TNK (Possums) 40. 07:47 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 41. 07:55 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne) 42. 08:09 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne) 43. 08:19 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (possums) 44. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly (DAquaNut@aol.com) 45. 09:05 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (David Key) 46. 09:10 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Hose.A) 47. 09:15 PM - Re: FireStar Cockpit Noise Reduction? (The BaronVonEvil) 48. 09:18 PM - Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help (robert bean) 49. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Larry Cottrell) 50. 10:00 PM - Re: Hose.A's plane (John Williamson) 51. 10:14 PM - Re: Hose.A's plane (Hose.A) 52. 11:44 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Tony Oldman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: q From: "David Lucas" Or I've heard this variation on the same theme; "The superior pilot uses his/her superior judgment to keep out of situations requiring their superior skills." [Wink] Do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170136#170136 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:26 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe Welcome to the list , and you got a Great little plane there I am sure you will really enjoy it. will you post a Pic of it so I can put a Plane with a name I hear you on the hurry up and get here warm weather Ellery in MAINE do not archive In a message dated 3/16/2008 12:18:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jreaves57@yahoo.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hose.A" Hi everyone, The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to the forum and new to ultralights. Just bought a 2002 Kolb Mark III and really anxious to get some time in it. I have a Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine and CFI, but this will be a whole new learning experience for me. Hurry up and get here, warm weather! -------- HoseA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170128#170128 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:18 AM PST US From: David Key Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe, I live at F69 stop by sometime, I can get you fuel. Congradulations! David> Subject: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum> From: jreaves 57@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:14:15 -0700> To: kolb-list@matronic Hi everyone,> > The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to the forum and new to ultralights. Just bought a 2002 Kolb Mark III and real ly anxious to get some time in it. I have a Commercial, Instrument, Multi-e ngine and CFI, but this will be a whole new learning experience for me.> > Hurry up and get here, warm weather!> > --------> HoseA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170128# =====> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:06 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying with VGs At 08:43 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote: > >What is the do-dad on you nose cone right in front of you? >Are you using it for slip indicator? First I thought it was a >pivoting airspeed probe like they often use on aircraft during >certification testing.but it looks like it acts more like a ground >direction indicator? >jerb Using it as a slip indicator - it came off a sail boat. A string works just as well if I have my windshield on, but not so good when I fly out in the open. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:06 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: axle fittings With that mental picture in mind,,,, take a piece of sheet metal, and clamp it to the leg a few inches above the axel fitting using a screw clamp, or two to keep it from moving.... drill the sheet metal from the opposite side of the gear leg through the existing hole. This will locate the hole... then pull the sheet metal far enough from the leg to slide the axel fitting on,, make sure you don't move the locator, when the axel fitting is properly aligned,, the hole in the piece of sheet metal will locate the hole in the axel fitting. Boyd Ok I am going one step further after sleeping on this. In order that you don't increase the size of hole in the gear leg, make a snug fitting bushing and slide it in the gear leg hole.. Now when you drill the sheet metal to mark the hole location in the gear socket. use the largest drill that will fit inside the bushing, using it as a guide. Slide the axel fitting on the leg and align the fitting and drill with the smaller size drill.. after drilling you will be able to check the alignment by putting the drill bit through the hole in the axel fitting and into the bushing.. if the alignment is ok then go ahead and drill it to the proper size,,, if it was off a bit,,, then file the hole in the axel fitting to correct the alignment,,, then drill through to the other side of the axel fitting, then from the other side open it up to the correct size, remove the bushing, and continue drilling through the first hole to correct any offset. You may have to read a bit between the lines.. But this will give you a trial fit and a chance to correct it before drilling to the full size. Boyd ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:57 AM PST US From: "David Kulp" Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a FireFly I'm looking for advice on tailoring my new FireFly. I'm going to bring it home to PA from TN in the near future, and although I have numerous pictures and sites about tailoring a Kolb, I'd like some specific advice from those who have done it successfully. As a starting point, I have thousands of miles hauling machinery loads on 18 wheeler flatbeds and lowboys with overweight and over-dimension loads a normal challenge. But the only Kolb I hauled was my US on my half ton pickup, wings and engine in one load, and the rest on another. I made ramps from the ground onto the front of the pickup and pulled it onto the truck so the mains rode on the cowl right by the windshield (I had the landing gear crossmembers Xing in front of the windshield) and the boom tube continued from above the cab back to the tailgate, suspended by a simple bungee rig. Looked kind of like the space shuttle riding piggyback on the huge cargo jet when they move it. And this was only for a distance of about 30 miles. I bought a field construction trailer which is ready for the trailer park in the sky to both haul and hanger my new Kolb. It has an overhead door in the rear and is 28' long inside, 32' overall. I am going to gut the entire interior and re-work the overhead door from rolling at the header to sliding along the top for more height. I doubt if I'll throw truckers chains over the FireFly and bind it down with chain binders, so, folks, any tips (that may not be apparent in the pictures available) you can give me on tying it down, cradling the tail section and protecting the fantastic paint job would be greatly appreciated. I really, REALLY don't want to scuff the FlagFly. Thanks in advance, Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 098 We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:10 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps and no power. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe, Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking for trouble. Good Luck, Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80* today ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum From: "Hose.A" Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb. I intend to get a few hours dual instruction before venturing out on my own. Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird: -------- HoseA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170199#170199 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scaled_be5f_800x600_225197_airplane_002_817.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/scaled_d6eb_800x600_225197_airplane_003_499.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:04 AM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: Possum's funny indicator thing-y Gnaw, B'ferd, thet thar inde-cater thang ain't atall whut yew said! I have scrutinized this object, and it clearly is designed to point to his mother-in-law's location, no matter where he is in space in respect(?) to her. s/s Usta Hadone do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:09 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: New Kolbee HoesA, Looks like a nice aircraft. I see it dosen`t have a gap seal between the wings. If it didn`t come with one you might want to buy or make one. Lanny N598LF FSII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:31 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum > The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to the forum and new to ultralights. > > -------- > HoseA Hi Joe: Welcome to the world of little airplanes. We have a lot of fun building and flying these little guys. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:10 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum > Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird: > > -------- > HoseA Joe: Where is your center section? Kolbs were designed to fly with centersections to cover the area between the wing sections. They fly much better with center section installed. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Trailering a FireFly From: "George Alexander" undoctor(at)ptd.net wrote: > I'm looking for advice on tailoring my new FireFly. I'm going to bring it home to PA from TN in the near future, and although I have numerous pictures and sites about tailoring a Kolb, I'd like some specific advice from those who have done it successfully. > > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > > FireFly 098 > > We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart. > Dave: In my view, there are 3 key points to address. How you specifically address them will vary based on the trailer, the plane and most importantly what makes you feel comfortable. -Get the weight off the tail wheel. Most popular method seems to be suspending the boom tube in a cradle secured to the floor. This method accomplishes the primary objective and keeps the tail in place. Others use a sling, suspended from the ceiling to set the boom tube in. This method requires more thought in preventing the tail from swaying side to side. -Get the weight of the wings off the boom tube. Some build cradles for the wings, securing the cradles to the floor. Others use slings and suspend the wings from the ceiling. Either way, the wings need to be stabilized to keep them from banging into anything/each other. Some leave the wings in the normal folded position and use slings to relieve the weight of the wings from the appliance that attaches the wings to the boom tube. Finally, some take the wings off entirely and secure them to the walls of the trailer. Still requires cradles or at least padding. -Secure the mains to the floor. Blocks/chocks on all four sides of each wheel and then strap the wheels/axles to the floor. There are differing views about securing the cage itself to the trailer. Those that say "don't do it", offer that the mains should be able to take anything that you would encounter while trailering plus rigidly securing the cage puts unnatural stresses on it. I tend to go along with this view. The section on Trailering a Kolb on my web site has examples of all these methods. Hopefully, this will help and others will offer views as well. Bottom line is you have to be comfortable with the method you choose. My $.02 worth which got me 1250 miles from Northern NJ to SW FL. Good luck with your new toy. (Hmmm a Firefly in a 28' trailer.... you'll be looking to sub-let the front 6 or so feet. ) :D -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170216#170216 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:51 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: TNK Hi Folks: Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed. Wonderful flight. Logged 4.1 hours on the way north. Friday morning headed south, made it 7 sm from Rockwood, TN, ran into a brick wall, turned around and flew back to TNK. Rain, low viz down and back. Flew 173.2 sm, 2.2 hours, and ended up back at TNK. Yesterday morning I departed TNK. Weather looked great all the way to Rockwood, TN,90.0 sm and 1.1 hours later. I could see the dark clouds to the west when I made my approach to KRKW. I elected to stay at KRKW until 0900 this morning. Was a great decision. Got lots of rest. Spent the night on the front porch of the FBO. Wouldn't let me sleep inside. Some FBO's are not designed for "barn stormers" and some are. This morning I flew .6 hrs and 66.2 sm to Collegedale, TN. They had a full coffee pot, sandwiches in the frig, and a cheese Danish. Had fun talking to the local pilots, then headed SW for Gantt IAP, Alabama. Arrived 2.1 hours and 184.0 sm later. Was good to be home. Weather was perfect today. Had a good tailwind. My ground speed was between 95 and 116 mph all the way home. The little mkIII did great, as usual. Was a good training flight to get ready for the flying season. Sun and Fun next month and Monument Valley, Utah, in May. John Bickham's flyin in July, and also Oshkosh. Then the Kolb Homecoming the end of September. My, my! Time is flying when we are having fun. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:28 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK > Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed. Folks: I have no idea why my fingers typed "Chow" instead of "Pushed." Next time I'll proof read before I punch the send button. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: axle fittings From: "Jim ODay" Boyd: I have one of those hole locater devices you describe. I get the idea of using the strap on the outside. I was looking at the part and I am thinking I may be able to set up the old with the new and get the position located OK and put it in my drill vise and put the hole through both sides. If the alignment is off with the existing hole on the gear leg I can clamp it in place and drill through the next larger hole. I would not even be messing with this if Larry had not broken his. But, if I can minimize the opportunity to bend my plane, it is a good thing. Besides, it is still cold here and I cant fly it anyway. I have some handy tools to locate the centers of holes but they do not work here. I have a phone call to make to another Kolber with a suggestion to consider too. Thanks for the advise, I appreciate it very much. Jim -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170221#170221 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:28 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Possum's funny indicator thing-y At 02:39 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: > >Gnaw, B'ferd, thet thar inde-cater thang ain't atall whut yew said! > >I have scrutinized this object, and it clearly is designed to point >to his mother-in-law's location, no matter where he is in space in >respect(?) to her. > >s/s Usta Hadone > >do not archive Gotta learn how to do it right. http://rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tnkolbaircraft.com%2F ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:18 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: TNK trip John- I was watching the national weather, and you were very fortunate to have missed out on the weather fronts. They looked pretty erratic to me. To get the "chow" out of the typing- eat first, then write. Then you won't think about it. Also- Hose.A's Firefly has a single wing strut. I thought Fly's had 2 struts. Could it be a newer type Firestar cage, but not so new to have the vertical aileron push tubes? Wing tips look custom, too. Bill Sullivan old Firestar Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:26 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: TNK John, Incredibly fun sounding trip. These types of cross-country flights are the most enjoyable form of flying there is, in my opinion. I look forward to finishing my MkIII soon, and venturing out on my own trips! BTW, are you planning to fly your plane to MV? That would be about a thousand miles!!! Mike Welch PS. For the gentleman that asked about trailering a Kolb, I would HIGHLY recommend the boom dolly that Uncle Craig shared with this group a few days ago. I am about 95% finished with my copied version. I am only waiting on the wheels from Harbor Freight in tomorrow's UPS delivery. In total, my boom support cost me $25 for the wheels, the scrap 36" long X 8"PVC pipe was free (from the City Water Plant), the steel channel was $6.17 (it was scrap, also, I had to sand some rust off a few pieces), the hinges and latches were $12, and the paint was $8. For a grand total of less than $55 and just slightly more than a day's work. I'll post pics when it is 100% finished. Credits go to Uncle Craig....very nice design, and VERY strong support. One modification I may include is a tow handle. Since my future home is 1000' from the local airport, I may very likely just pull the plane from my hangar, down the street, and into the airport entrance. (less than 1/4 mile away) By adding a handle I can tug it with my small 4-wheeler. It is also VERY likely I can keep the wings spread at all times. We'll be out in the country, on a very seldomly used road. This is about as close to having one's own 5000' asphalt runway as you can get. That's one of the reason's I bought it. Nice 3 acre piece of land, and I'm a general contractor/builder. Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:06 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Possum's funny indicator thing-y Thet ainguish haint no worsn it twas befo. BB, relatives in S Indiana On 16, Mar 2008, at 6:05 PM, possums wrote: > > At 02:39 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: >> >> Gnaw, B'ferd, thet thar inde-cater thang ain't atall whut yew said! >> >> I have scrutinized this object, and it clearly is designed to point >> to his mother-in-law's location, no matter where he is in space in >> respect(?) to her. >> >> s/s Usta Hadone >> >> do not archive > Gotta learn how to do it right. > > http://rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=http% > 3A%2F%2Fwww.tnkolbaircraft.com%2F > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:36 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum after seeing the Kolbs on Barnstormers that is the one I thought you would have purchased thinking it wasn't to far from where you live it sure looks like a nice one I hope you have many hours enjoying flying in it Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 3/16/2008 1:43:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jreaves57@yahoo.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hose.A" Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb. I intend to get a few hours dual instruction before venturing out on my own. Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird: -------- HoseA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170199#170199 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scaled_be5f_800x600_225197_airplane_002_817 .jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/scaled_d6eb_800x600_225197_airplane_003_499 .jpg **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:11 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Hose.A's plane I can't quite makeout a lot of detail- might be the old computer. Let me try again. The plane looks like an early TNK Firestar ll, new type cage, and looks like flaperons? I am still trying for visual cues to help identify the age on mine. Also, what type engine is that? Bill Sullivan old FS watching paint dry, and waiting out the weather ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:14 PM PST US From: Gene Ledbetter Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailering a FireFly Dave, I'm one of the folks who removes the wings and hang them from the trailer wall. If you go to my website, you can see photos. homepage.mac.com/gene1930 I have trailered between Cincinnati and Florida 3 times without a scratch. Gene ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:35 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK > I look forward to finishing my MkIII soon, and venturing out on my own trips! BTW, are you planning to fly your plane to MV? That would be about a thousand miles!!! > > Mike Welch Mike W: Yes, I plan on flying to MV. This will be number 6, and I have not missed flying to one yet. From my airstrip it is about 1500 sm to MV, depending on how crooked I fly. From there will fly up the Rock House in SE Oregon, home of Larry Cottrell, with John W. Then back across the Idaho, Wyoming, SD. I'll head for Alabama, and John W will head for Texas. We do flights like this every May after MV. Usually, I will end up with about 75 flight hours and around 6,000 sm. This is my normal annual long flight. Then there is Lakeland and Oshkosh, and a few other flights thrown in there, plus the Kolb Homecoming last weekend in September. Forgot about Homer Kolb's Father's Day Flyin in June. Gonna try to fly to that one this year. I'm still planning on flying back to Alaska Summer of 2009 to celebrate my 70th year. I don't know if I can still do it or not. I'm not as spry now as I was. If I can do it, be comfortable, and have fun doing it, I'll have my bag packed and be on my way about the last week of June 2008. Yes, this kind of grass roots cross country flying is a ball. That's why I have been doing it for the last 24 years in Kolbs. If it wasn't fun, I'd find another hobby, in addition to dirt bikes, ATVs, antique tractors, and traveling in the old Dodge/Cummins and ancient 5th wheel. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:39 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Possum's funny indicator thing-y > Thet ainguish haint no worsn it twas befo. > BB, relatives in S Indiana Bob B: I don't see anything wrong with it. That's how we talk in the Heart of Dixie, hauck's holler, alabama. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK I'll have > my bag packed and be on my way about the last week of June 2008. Guys: I need a secretary. Plan on departing for Alaska last week of June 2009. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:14 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hose.A's plane Bill S: Think that is a MKIII with a 582 Rotax. No flaperons, but big flaps. john h mkIII The plane looks like an early TNK Firestar ll, new type cage, and looks like flaperons? I am still trying for visual cues to help identify the age on mine. Also, what type engine is that? Bill Sullivan old FS watching paint dry, and waiting out the weather ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TNK From: "Wade Lawicki" John, Next time let me know, we have a 2200` strip near Lebanon Tn. bout half way between you and them. We have a futon, kitchen and shower your welcome to use if needed. Fly Safe, Wade -------- Fly Safe! Wade Nashville Tn. FS 2 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170243#170243 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:47 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK trip At 06:10 PM 3/16/2008, william sullivan wrote: >...Hose.A's Firefly has a single wing strut. I thought Fly's had 2 struts... Bill, the Firefly's have two wing struts. My understanding is that this is not for any structural purpose, but to increase drag to slow down the maximum speed according to the calculations in AC103-7. Many owners retrofit a single strut with a bar at the top to span both attach fittings on the wing. -Dana -- Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills, and listening to repetitive music. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:51 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum HoseA -- where's the pic? On Mar 16, 2008, at 4:22 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > > Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird: >> >> -------- >> HoseA > > > Joe: > > Where is your center section? > > Kolbs were designed to fly with centersections to cover the area > between the wing sections. They fly much better with center > section installed. > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Takeoff & landing & stall help From: "grantr" My instructor and I are learning how to fly my MKIII! Flying it is not hard taking off is a bit tricky for both of us. Landing he does good. I do fair. He has over 2000hrs in phantoms and Challengers. He currently flies a challenger II. We are still getting used to the plane and have a few questions for you experienced kolb guys. Today I almost took out a runway light on takeoff. My instructor is pretty sure we were hit by a cross wind gust just after I raised the tail. Anyway the plane made a hard veer to the right when the tail came up then I over corrected and made it veer left and then It really went right back into the wind and off the side of the runway. We got off the ground in time. my plane stalls at 45mph indicated We are raising the tail at about 40 to 45mph and rotating at 55mph. Climb at 60 to 65mph. These seem to be good numbers. How do your numbers compare? Do you guys have the VNE speed for the MKIII and the max flap speed ? What is the best way to make a crosswind take off on asphalt or grass? Is it ok to hold the tail on the ground until rotation speed? Landings: We approach at 65 mph engine idle We are making the landing at idle and using power as necessary on the approach. 65 mph give plenty of energy for a nice touch down. We have not experience the So called kolb drop. The only drop was my high flair. :D I am having a hard time judging when to round out. I want to round out fairly close to the ground and my instructor gets nervous and is telling me to round out higher. he says if I miss it by a second we are going to hit the ground hard or fly right into the ground and kill us. We are having radio trouble too. Since we cant communicate he just doesn't know if I am going to round out or not. He has military headsets and 1 GA headset. I have comtronic which is not compatable. I bought a cord thats suppose to adapt the GA headset to my comtronics. The head set works but the GA mic doesnt work. Does anyone have a used mic for a good price that might work or a comtronic headset with mic? His landings are good. The one I tried a little higher involved dropping the plane fairly hard and bouncing 3 times! Those gear legs are tough! I made the last landing of the day and it was a perfect power off landing. I really don't know what I did different. Stalls: Is it normal for the MK III to give very little to no warning of an oncoming power off stall? There is really no waring signs. the plane breaks at 45mph. With power on the disrupted airflow over the wing spills into the prop making a lot of prop noise but this is about 1 second before the plane stalls which doesn't give much warning. Thanks, Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170251#170251 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum From: "John Bickham" Welcome Joe, Tyler, TX ain't to fer from me. Maybe I'll stop in and check on you one day. It would be a good leg stretcher for me. Don't rush it. Landing the Kolb is just different due to the low inertia in the flare. Not hard just need to be aware. If you get comfortable with that, work on short field over obstacles (trees). We have an informal gathering of Kolbs, second weekend in July at Nauga Field (LS35). Come visit if you want. We pass a good time! You'll find some of the best folks in the world fly Kolbs (not 100% though [Twisted Evil] ). Some of my best times are flying and camping with other Kolbers. E-mail me direct if I can help. We can talk about that center section if you have questions. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C "Using my Repairman Certificate" St. Francisville, LA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170257#170257 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum From: "Possums" Hose.A wrote: > Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb. I intend to get a few hours dual instruction before venturing out on my own. > > Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird: Just fly it to the ground. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8022448200127542755&hl=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2887020469201792731&hl=en -------- Possum Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170265#170265 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gg_201.jpg ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum From: "planecrazzzy" Is That a 582 on yer Bird ? Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" FSII / 503 / N381PM .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170266#170266 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jaz__mutt_muffs_003_807.jpg ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:07 PM PST US From: David Key Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on land ing. From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400 Joe As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will s erve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till yo u are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the pow er. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce t he power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at th e same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the firs t time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with l ots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notc h of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with n o flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings b ut I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then a pproach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm bei ng too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps and no power. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe, Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a c onventional craft you are asking for trouble. Good Luck, Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80* today It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:04 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: TNK > >> Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed. > > > > Folks: > > I have no idea why my fingers typed "Chow" instead of "Pushed." > > Next time I'll proof read before I punch the send button. ;-) > > john h > mkIII > > John, I just assumed you loaded P-fer down with MREs for the trip. :-) Denny do not archive ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TNK From: "Ralph B" > > Guys: > > I need a secretary. > > Plan on departing for Alaska last week of June 2009. > > john h > mkIII John, you can hit the edit button on the right and edit what you just wrote, then hit "submit" after your done. -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170270#170270 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:03 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Vamoose for Sale Thanks for the thought, Dave. I've got a lot on my plate right now with work, etc., and just won't be able to do it. For those who weren't here when this came up a few years ago, Dave was one of my 1st students when I became a scuba diving instructor back in '69 in Van Nuys, CA. Good Memories, Dave ! ! ! Small world, too, eh ?? Vamoose' new owner is a real nice fella from San Diego who's been a lurker on the Kolb List for several years now. I met him in Phoenix (Sun City) - more or less half way - yesterday and made the introductions. He'll probably - I hope - contact the List as well as myself with questions and to introduce himself. I hate to say it, but I felt only a small pang as he pulled out of the restaurant parking lot with Vamoose in tow. More feelings of relief. He was stopped by high winds in El Centro, CA last night, and I hope he made it home OK later today. Good Luck, Jody. Lar. Dave Rains wrote: > > Hey Lar, lets go scuba diving :D > Now, we go way back! > Sorry to hear you won't be at MV this year, won't be the same without you. Hope Vamoose finds an appreciative new owner. > Dave. > > -------- > Dave Rains > N8086T > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169906#169906 > > > -- Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com www.gogittum.com/blog ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:16 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: TNK From: "Possums" John Hauck wrote: > Hi Folks: > Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed. Wonderful > flight. Logged 4.1hours on the way north. Friday morning headed south, made it 7 sm from Rockwood, TN, ran into a brick wall, turned around and flew back to TNK. Rain, low viz down and back. john h > mkIII Yeah - bout time. Glad you made it back (tired of carrying the load while you we gone - nobody called) - But you missed some interesting weather down here - haa. -------- Possum Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170277#170277 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum David Ok. So tell us why. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: David Key To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on landing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: NeilsenRM@comcast.net To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400 Joe As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps and no power. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe, Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking for trouble. Good Luck, Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80* today ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:28 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose for Sale Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this summer...........not enuf money in the kitty to retire and do multiple cross-country trips, too, with diesel prices so high. Lar. Russ Kinne wrote: > > Big Lar > Just crost my mind - when you make your swing thru w. FL I strongly > suggest you stop at Wakulla Springs State Park & take their riverboat > tour (all of $6!) -- it's just great. Gators, manateeses, lots birds, > real genuine wildlife. You won't get muddy, but can roll around in a > puddle if you feel you must -- this is NOT a touristy-type trip, even > tho that's what it is. S. of Tallahassee on rte 363. AND Apalachicola > oysters are the best I've ever had, out of the millions I've eaten. > Do yourself a favor & put it on your trip schedule > Chris Davis,who craSHED WITH NORM LABHART, LIVES NEARBY SOMEWHERE. > Sorry, hit CAPS again. > Fair winds, > Russ > > > On Mar 9, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Larry Bourne wrote: > >> >> Yah, feel like I know you, too, Possum. It's been 10 years now. I >> still have the video tape you sent, and still enjoy it and laugh at >> it from time to time. I've met a lot of good folks all over the >> continent from the List in my travels over those years, and met many >> more at MV. It's been a good time. >> >> The Deep South visit I cancelled on the List a couple of weeks ago is >> probably back on again. Circumstances have changed again, and the >> problems in Canada are resolved, so I might just head East in June >> for Lousy-ana's Atchafalaya Swamp, Okefenokee, and at least Central >> Florida. We'll see. If I do go, I'll make a run up to (shudder) >> Atlanta from Okefenokee, just for you. :-) I'd really like to find >> some real swamp crawlers to take me out into that area and get wet >> and dirty chasing snakes and 'gators and gar and turtles. :-) It's >> always better with someone who really knows the area. I did send an >> email a while back hoping to get an answer from that guy who said he >> lived just north of Okefenokee, but never heard back from >> him. Lar. >> >> possums wrote: >>> >>> At 01:16 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Ol' Lar is getting ready to retire, >> >>>> >>>> Hi Lar, >>>> very sorry to hear that Vamoose is going in preparation for your >>>> retirement. >>> >>> Me too..... Sorry I never got to meet you in person. >>> I know we almost got together once or twice. >>> Feel like I know got to know you after all these years anyway >>> from looking at your web site and talking to you on the Kolb site. >>> If you're ever down South - "come see us" >>> Stan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com www.gogittum.com/blog ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:16 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose for Sale Sorry folks - thought I was replying to Russ. Didn't even look. Lar Do not Archive. Larry Bourne wrote: > > Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this > summer...........not enuf money in the kitty to retire and do multiple > cross-country trips, too, with diesel prices so > high. Lar. > > Russ Kinne wrote: >> >> Big Lar >> Just crost my mind - when you make your swing thru w. FL I strongly >> suggest you stop at Wakulla Springs State Park & take their riverboat >> tour (all of $6!) -- it's just great. Gators, manateeses, lots birds, >> real genuine wildlife. You won't get muddy, but can roll around in >> a puddle if you feel you must -- this is NOT a touristy-type trip, >> even tho that's what it is. S. of Tallahassee on rte 363. AND >> Apalachicola oysters are the best I've ever had, out of the millions >> I've eaten. >> Do yourself a favor & put it on your trip schedule >> Chris Davis,who craSHED WITH NORM LABHART, LIVES NEARBY SOMEWHERE. >> Sorry, hit CAPS again. >> Fair winds, >> Russ >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Larry Bourne wrote: >> >>> >>> Yah, feel like I know you, too, Possum. It's been 10 years now. I >>> still have the video tape you sent, and still enjoy it and laugh at >>> it from time to time. I've met a lot of good folks all over the >>> continent from the List in my travels over those years, and met many >>> more at MV. It's been a good time. >>> >>> The Deep South visit I cancelled on the List a couple of weeks ago >>> is probably back on again. Circumstances have changed again, and >>> the problems in Canada are resolved, so I might just head East in >>> June for Lousy-ana's Atchafalaya Swamp, Okefenokee, and at least >>> Central Florida. We'll see. If I do go, I'll make a run up to >>> (shudder) Atlanta from Okefenokee, just for you. :-) I'd really >>> like to find some real swamp crawlers to take me out into that area >>> and get wet and dirty chasing snakes and 'gators and gar and >>> turtles. :-) It's always better with someone who really knows the >>> area. I did send an email a while back hoping to get an answer >>> from that guy who said he lived just north of Okefenokee, but never >>> heard back from him. Lar. >>> >>> possums wrote: >>>> >>>> At 01:16 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ol' Lar is getting ready to retire, >> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Lar, >>>>> very sorry to hear that Vamoose is going in preparation for your >>>>> retirement. >>>> >>>> Me too..... Sorry I never got to meet you in person. >>>> I know we almost got together once or twice. >>>> Feel like I know got to know you after all these years anyway >>>> from looking at your web site and talking to you on the Kolb site. >>>> If you're ever down South - "come see us" >>>> Stan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Larry Bourne Santa Fe, NM www.gogittum.com www.gogittum.com/blog ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:35 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose for Sale At 10:50 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: > >Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this >summer...........not enuf money This is funny - I don't care who you are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvIGy9w0K4s Larry ............ stay in touch with us or we'll be talkin' bout you. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:55 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly Group, I have had a question about the safety of the Firefly in windy conditions. Anyone have a fair amount in a Firefly AND a Firestar? Just pondering the differences. The Firestar weighs more but it also has more wing area. Anyone know which one has the highest wing loading. Lastly, If a Firestar and a Firefly were being flown cross country would a Firefly be more vulnerable if the wind got a little brisk, or would they both behave about the same. Ed FF#62 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:50 PM PST US From: David Key Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Because the dreaded Kolb drop, or stall is what it used to be called occurs a little later and a little slower which gives the pilot a little more tim e to make adjustments in the landing environment. Kolb steering is a bit ea sier to tackle the slower you are going. It's the way that I would teach it . From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:42:15 -0400 David Ok. So tell us why. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: David Key Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on land ing. From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400 Joe As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will s erve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till yo u are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the pow er. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce t he power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at th e same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the firs t time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with l ots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notc h of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with n o flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings b ut I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then a pproach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm bei ng too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps and no power. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe, Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a c onventional craft you are asking for trouble. Good Luck, Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80* today It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum From: "Hose.A" planecrazzzy wrote: > Is That a 582 on yer Bird ? > > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" FSII / 503 / N381PM > . > . > . Yep. That's a 582 allright. [Mr. Green] -------- HoseA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170317#170317 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireStar Cockpit Noise Reduction? From: "The BaronVonEvil" Hi All, Well I got the prop hub extension on and tried it today. It made a noticeable difference in the cockpit noise. I took my Db meter with me and measured about a 3 to 4 db noise reduction in the cockpit area. I also noticed the aileron torque tube on the right wing panel did not vibrate nearly as much as before. Overall Id say that the extension of 3" did help significantly with the noise I was experiencing and reduced propeller tip pressure induced vibration to the airframe. The propeller is now at about 5" from the aileron torque tubes and this seems to be the magic number. I would recommend this modification for anyone considering it. Again thanks for all the Advice, Carlos G AKA BaronVonEvil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170319#170319 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:58 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Takeoff & landing & stall help Grant, I'll reply to one of your questions...... On 16, Mar 2008, at 8:33 PM, grantr wrote: > > Is it ok to hold the tail on the ground until rotation speed? > Just once I tried the old "jump takeoff" technique I used on the Aeronca 11AC with my MkIII. -Stick hard back to liftoff. Not a good method. Let the plane lighten up on its own and fly off when it feels like it. This is, of course, with stock aluminum legs. It might be a different plane with long legs. BB > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170251#170251 > > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:12 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hose.A" OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B Larry C do not archive > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hose.A's plane From: "John Williamson" Hi All, "Think that is a MKIII with a 582 Rotax. " For all the Kolbers that were at the 2003 TNK Homecoming, you will recognize the plane as the one built and flown there by Bob Brocious. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1580 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170327#170327 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1118_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Hose.A's plane From: "Hose.A" John Williamson wrote: > Hi All, > > "Think that is a MKIII with a 582 Rotax. " > > For all the Kolbers that were at the 2004 TNK Homecoming, you will recognize the plane as the one built and flown there by Bob Brocious. Both John and John are correct. -------- HoseA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170330#170330 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:29 PM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum I will add my two bobs worth here on how I do it. Two up long finals ,60mph at about 300 to 500 agl depending on where the runway is, reduce speed to 55mph and full flap . Use the throttle/side slip to put yourself on the spot you have picked to touch down. Most times from 300 ft there is no need to touch the throttle again. My suggestion for some one landing a MK111c for the first few times would be to make all approaches under power with plenty of flap. Doing it this way will get you out of trouble if you miss judge something at the last moment . I always take off with 50% flap,lift the tail about 30 mph and rotate at 50 to 55 hold the nose down momunteraly then point the nose at the sky and maintain a steady 55 /60 to 1000 ft. Flying solo I reduce the speeds by about 5mph.I also prefer to use grass to land on .My first couple of attemps of taking off on a sealed runway had much the same results as you have explained .To work out the speeds for rotating I simply judge how far aft I have to pull the stick with a givin AUW, If you try and rotate too slow the stick will be right back and you will find you need to push it forward to get your best climb out speed. After some practice you will be able to judge where the stick needs to be with a given load. Practice.practice.practice. A very forgiving and fun aircraft, just always remember if you pull the stick back without either speed or power you are going to stop flying .It is not forgiving at real slow speeds close to the ground.There are others who may disagree with what have said here and thats OK. We all tend to work out what suits us and develope our own operating practices from there. Stay safe up there Tony from down under ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum David Ok. So tell us why. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: David Key To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on landing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: NeilsenRM@comcast.net To: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400 Joe As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast to flaps and no power. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: DAquaNut@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum Joe, Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking for trouble. Good Luck, Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80* today ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's Tax Time! 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