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1. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Denny Rowe)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly (Denny Rowe)
3. 04:01 AM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Larry Bourne)
5. 05:01 AM - fuel system plumbing, aux tank (Dana Hague)
6. 05:20 AM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Russ Kinne)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly (beauford T)
8. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly (John Hauck)
9. 06:03 AM - Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (John Hauck)
10. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (pj.ladd)
11. 09:02 AM - fire fly questions (greg@skyelink.com)
12. 09:10 AM - Landing Stalls (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
13. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Hauck)
14. 09:32 AM - Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL)
15. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (pj.ladd)
16. 10:34 AM - Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (Dana Hague)
17. 10:35 AM - Re: Landing Stalls (Dana Hague)
18. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help (Dana Hague)
19. 10:45 AM - Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (John Hauck)
20. 10:53 AM - Re: Landing Stalls (John Hauck)
21. 11:49 AM - Re: Landing Stalls (Bob Noyer)
22. 12:32 PM - Re: Landing Stalls (David Key)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (Jimmy Young)
24. 02:19 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Thom Riddle)
25. 02:25 PM - Re: Landing Stalls (Dana Hague)
26. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (HShack@aol.com)
27. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (Jimmy Young)
28. 03:59 PM - Re: New Kolbee (Hose.A)
29. 04:22 PM - Size of messages (Jmmy Hankinson)
30. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank (John Hauck)
31. 04:49 PM - Re: Size of messages (John Hauck)
32. 05:56 PM - Re: Size of messages (Mike Welch)
33. 06:02 PM - 6 gallon tanks in a FS II (Jimmy Young)
34. 06:19 PM - Re: Size of messages (grantr)
35. 06:33 PM - Re: Landing Stalls (Wade Lawicki)
36. 06:45 PM - Re: Size of messages (herb)
37. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (robert bean)
38. 09:00 PM - Re: Firestar Versus Firefly (Don G)
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
>
> OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B
> Larry C
> do not archive
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>
Ahhh, nevermind. :-p
Denny
That was a close one!
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Versus Firefly |
Group,
I have had a question about the safety of the Firefly in windy
conditions. Anyone have a fair amount in a Firefly AND a Firestar? Just
pondering the differences. The Firestar weighs more but it also has
more wing area. Anyone know which one has the highest wing loading.
Lastly, If a Firestar and a Firefly were being flown cross country would
a Firefly be more vulnerable if the wind got a little brisk, or would
they both behave about the same.
Ed FF#62
Ed,
This is worth less than you payed for it myself only having flown an
old original Twinstar and my own Mk-3, but I would guess not much
differance between a Fly and a FS. In fact with the smaller wing I would
not be surprised if the quicker handling Firefly would be easier in
rough air as well as on the ground in high wind.
Less wing for the wind to blow around.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose for Sale |
Will be ?? My ears been burning for years. :-)
Lar. Do not Archive.
possums wrote:
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> At 10:50 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote:
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>> Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this
>> summer...........not enuf money
>
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> This is funny - I don't care who you are:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvIGy9w0K4s
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> Larry ............ stay in touch with us or we'll be talkin' bout you.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
After they're all done with you, you been HoseD.
Do not Archive.
Denny Rowe wrote:
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>> OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B
>> Larry C
>> do not archive
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>
> Ahhh, nevermind. :-p
> Denny
> That was a close one!
>
> do not archive
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>
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Larry Bourne
Santa Fe, NM
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| Subject: | fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
I'm adding an auxiliary tank to my UltraStar... I have a pretty good idea
of how I'll plumb it, but I'd like to collect some other opinions.
My US has the stock setup with two 1.75 gallon tanks under my legs. I'm at
a bit of a loss why the valves (the ones that plug into the tanks through a
rubber bushing) have two outlets. The manual says to cap one side of one
tank's valve, connect the two tanks together, and run the remaining outlet
to the engine. When I got my plane, there was no cap, the tanks were
connected as per the manual, and both outlets were connected together via a
"Y" fitting, thence to the engine. Other than replacing all the tubing, I
left it the way it was (but see below).
I've considered moving the bulb primer to one leg of the "Y". This would
require closing the other tank valve when priming, but with both valves
open would give the fuel a path around the primer bulb in case of blockage
(such a blockage in a brand new primer bulb almost ended my first flight
before I made it around the pattern once). Thoughts?
But on to the real reason for this post. The new 1.5 gallon (for a total
of 5 gallons) tank will be mounted, quick release, to the rear of the seat
(I'm actually mounting it to the seat back itself as I don't want to do any
welding on the cage). I'm also using a quick disconnect connector in the
fuel line so I can remove the tank if I need to carry it somewhere to be
filled, for example if I land out somewhere and have to get fuel. The
separate removable tank also makes oil mixing easy. Since this tank will
be above the other tanks, I'll open the valve to drain it down when the
others are half empty.
The issue is plumbing. The obvious thought is to simply connect it via a
tee fitting into the fuel lines. However, I'm concerned that once the aux
tank is empty the fuel pump will start sucking air from the aux tank
instead of fuel from the lower tanks, which would be a bad thing. :) The
alternative, which seems the best approach, is to connect the aux tank into
a new fitting on top of one of the main tanks... but I'm open to other
thoughts and suggestions. I'm also naturally concerned with getting any
debris from the drilling out of the tank (I'd rather not have to drain and
remove it, etc.), and drilling large holes in thin plastic is a PITA
anyway, so my thought is to drill the hole with a sharpened piece of tubing
rather than a conventional drill.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Don't you recognize our National Anthem?? -- "Hose A, can't you see --"
On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:49 AM, Denny Rowe wrote:
> <rowedenny@windstream.net>
>
>
>> OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B
>> Larry C
>> do not archive
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>
>
> Ahhh, nevermind. :-p
> Denny
> That was a close one!
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Versus Firefly |
Ed:
Routinely operate the Fly in pretty fair (15-25 mph) breezes...no
problem except for folding and unfolding the wings in airish conditions
while working alone.. IMHO, that is the single most problematic part of
operating it in winds. On landings in higher crosswinds the first thing
it used to run out of was rudder, but the VG's on the vertical tail have
improved that situation. Mine has the big 15 inch chord ailerons and
they seem to give plenty of authority to handle crosswinds. I never
droop 'em while landing in crosswinds, and I would sure wheel land it
with some power if the crosswinds were stout. Never flew a Firestar, but
usually a shortwing gives a better ride in rough air...I know from
experience that's the case in Pipers. Not sure what cross country
vulnearability you are referring to... generally, if you can get it off
and back onto the ground in reusable condition, the cross country part
(aside from the fascinating 25 mph groundspeeds one occasionally sees)
is just a matter of how rough you like it and what you had for
breakfast.
WWYPFI
breezy beauford
ff-076
----- Original Message -----
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly
I have had a question about the safety of the Firefly in
windy conditions. wing loading. ...cross country would a Firefly be more
vulnerable if the wind got a little brisk, or would they both behave
about the same.
Ed FF#62
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Versus Firefly |
Denny:
That is my impression between the two aircraft. The FF is better in
rough air, as is the SS, with their wings 5 feet shorter than the FS..
john h
mkIII
In fact with the smaller wing I would not be surprised if the
quicker handling Firefly would be easier in rough air as well as on the
ground in high wind.
Less wing for the wind to blow around.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
> I'm adding an auxiliary tank to my UltraStar... I have a pretty good idea
> of how I'll plumb it, but I'd like to collect some other opinions.
>
> -Dana
Dana:
First mod I did to my US a couple weeks after I started flying it in 1984,
was add a third 1.75 gal go cart tank inside the airframe above the engine
and behind my head. No welding required. I mounted it using aluminum
tubing and adel clamps. Used gravity to drain into the main tanks when
required. Believe I T'd into the main fuel line, used the valve on the tank
to control the fuel. Worked great.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Don't you recognize our National Anthem?? -- "Hose A, can't you see --"
Hi Russ,
these Mexicans get everywhere,` Jose, can you see.....`
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | fire fly questions |
Hi all
Got a new firefly being bilt by bryan a costom air. any one know if you
can use aviation fuel in the mix in a rotax 447. How much different it is
to fly vs a mark 3x that i currently own,do they have any nasty stall
tendency. any imfo would be great still wont to have a flyin in the
spring for any one who wonts to attend. if the wind ever stops blowing in
virgina i will send pic so everyone can see the field. it works great for
me and i am a new pilot of only 35 hrs tt.
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The best part of this list is the way we share ideas. Also could we all
just call it a "stall" that is really what it is.
My understanding is that new pilots have a problem with how quickly
these planes slow from flying speed to a stall. There is also the
comfort level of seeing a rather panoramic view of the ground coming up
at them real fast. This is a fault of a Kolb (so to speak) because it
has such great visibility. The result is that people have this inborn
and in the case of GA pilots "training " that has them fairing too high.
Some new flyer just E-mailed us about this very issue very accurately
describing it.
I think that new pilots should set up their approach that has the lowest
decent rate/angle and gives the new pilot them most time to pull up and
adjust to a good landing flair. This can best be accomplished with no
flaps and some power. Flaps do two things, they increase the decent
rate/angle and they increase the rate of speed that these planes slow
down. You can set up gentle approach with flaps but you have to greatly
increase the power accomplish it. The main problem is loosing power on
approach would be a bad thing. The more power you have to depend on the
worse it could be. Flaps also produce more drag than they reduce stall
speed. Using flaps will slow the plane quicker than the reduced stall
speed will help.
Also someone suggested using slips and throttle to get to their desired
landing point. Slips are less effective than flaps so why not use flaps.
adjusting power, primarily increasing power greatly increases the odds
of a power failure. I believe the rule is that if you change the
throttle on approach it should only be to reduced power. Flaps can be
moved in and out as necessary on approach to get to your desired landing
point. You just have to adjust your pitch according to your flap usage.
As always worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: David Key
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Because the dreaded Kolb drop, or stall is what it used to be called
occurs a little later and a little slower which gives the pilot a little
more time to make adjustments in the landing environment. Kolb steering
is a bit easier to tackle the slower you are going. It's the way that I
would teach it.
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To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:42:15 -0400
David
Ok. So tell us why.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: David Key
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use
flaps on landing.
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From: NeilsenRM@comcast.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your
experience will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power
maybe on 25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then
and only then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get
more experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one
notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better
off adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps.
Some of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to
carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power
will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this
first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods
on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our
members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I
would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then
approach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm
being too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they
move too fast to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The
biggest difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it
has more drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until
you are close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you
hardly flare at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back
of the throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking
for trouble.
Good Luck,
Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In
Houston) 80* today
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
> these Mexicans get everywhere,` Jose, can you see.....`
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
Patrick:
How is your flying and your aircraft coming along?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help |
"grantr" wrote: << He has military headsets and 1 GA headset. I have
comtronic which is not compatable. I bought a cord thats suppose to
adapt the GA headset to my comtronics. The head set works but the GA
mic doesnt work. >>
Hi, Grant -
Military headsets and civilian GA headsets operate with different
impedance levels - that is why the military sets won't work with our GA
intercoms.
And the Comtronics intercom will only work with Comtronics headsets. I
know this, because I have a set (2 helmets w/built-in headsets and
intercom). After I finished my initial 40 hours of flight testing, I no
longer used the helmet, and began using a regular GA headset. I found
that it would not work with the Comtronics intercom box. Like you, I
purchased (from Comtronics) a patch cord that interfaced between my GA
headset and the intercom, but my GA headsets STILL did not work. Just
like you said, you can hear, but the mike does not work.
When I called Comtronics to ask them why, they revealed to me that
because of impedance differences between their headsets and GA headsets,
the Comtronics intercom is not compatible with GA headsets. ("Great," I
thought - "why couldn't they have told me this BEFOREhand?") At least
they refunded me my $45 for the patch cord.
My solution was to simply buy a regular GA intercom box.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, Powerfin-72 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
How is your flying and your aircraft coming along?>>
John, you really know how to hurt a guy. After finally getting the plane
,and me, rechecked out and certicated with test flying etc all done just
before Xmas. I have run into electrical problems involving the fitting of a
larger battery, in a different place of course. This should be done in the
next couple of days and then I shall have to recalculate the C of G and then
with luck, Wx permitting, which is unlikely according to the forecast I may
be able to fly. Providing the strip is not still under water. We have
floods for the 3rd time this year. Gales and Very low temps forecast for
Easter.
Looking back. I wish that I had bought a plane from the second hand market
and then I would at least have continued to fly. during the protracted
rebuild and the follow on problems. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision.
Have fun on you planned trek to MV and beyond.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
At 09:00 AM 3/17/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>First mod I did to my US a couple weeks after I started flying it in 1984,
>was add a third 1.75 gal go cart tank inside the airframe above the engine
>and behind my head. No welding required. I mounted it using aluminum
>tubing and adel clamps. Used gravity to drain into the main tanks when
>required. Believe I T'd into the main fuel line, used the valve on the
>tank to control the fuel. Worked great.
Great minds think alike :)
I had considered doing the Adel clamp thing, but the shape of the tank and
the routing of the control cables, etc., seems to make the seat back
mounting more logical, plus I have some nice aluminum channels that slip
perfectly over the tank flanges so I can slide it in instead of bolting
it... the tank I'm using is here:
http://fluids.flambeau.com/multipurpose_tanks/6.0_quart.html
I also considered adding a new 5 gallon tank above the engine and using the
original tank space for storage, but that was more work than I care to do
at the moment.
You didn't have any trouble with sucking air when the aux tank is empty?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Stalls |
At 12:07 PM 3/17/2008, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
>My understanding is that new pilots have a problem with how quickly these
>planes slow from flying speed to a stall. There is also the comfort level
>of seeing a rather panoramic view of the ground coming up at them real fast...
My background is GA (Taylorcraft, mostly) but that was 15 years ago... but
10 hours flying a borrowed Quicksilver got me more than ready for my first
flight in my UltraStar. Compared to a GA bird, the Quick's kinda like a
Kolb, only more so (you just dive at the runway, 'cuz no matter what you do
it's not going to float!).
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help |
At 12:27 PM 3/17/2008, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL wrote:
>And the Comtronics intercom will only work with Comtronics headsets...
>because of impedance differences between their headsets and GA headsets,
>the Comtronics intercom is not compatible...
Funny, though, my Comtronics helmet works perfectly with my Icom A24 radio,
which also supposedly works with GA headsets.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
> You didn't have any trouble with sucking air when the aux tank is empty?
>
> -Dana
Dana:
No. Neither did the US. ;-)
Been 24 years so details are a little fuzzy. IIRC I turned off the fuel at
the aux tank when transfer was complete.
john h
mkIII
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Dana:
Not to disagree, too much, but Kolbs will also float, especially when
you do not want them to. If you are in a tight situation and your Kolb
has no brakes, the Kolbs will float forever.
Amazing what ground effect and Kolbs will do. Get her right down there
a foot or so off the sod and she will float.
My MKIII with 40 degrees of flaps and it will float. One of the secrets
of getting a Kolb to float is to shoot your approach a little hotter
than normal.
I judge others landing mistakes by my own many times. This flight to
TNK and back I had a lot of time to think and to fly and land. We were
taught to hover a rotary wing by looking out ahead of the aircraft, not
down at the ground. We were taught to land them the same way, looking
out ahead of the aircraft. Landing a Kolb is no different in this
respect. Look out at the end of the runway when landing and the Kolb
will gentlely kiss moma earth. Look down at the ground where she is
going to drop in, and that is probably what she will do. Try it both
ways and see what happens. Hard to judge distance looking down.
john h
mkIII
Compared to a GA bird, the Quick's kinda like a Kolb, only more so
(you just dive at the runway, 'cuz no matter what you do it's not going
to float!).
-Dana
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I'm trying to remember in navy flight training, pre jets!, that we
were told to look out of cockpit, 30-30...meaning 30 degrees down,
and 30 from straight ahead on landing. My old eyeballs got no
calibration markers left, but some residuals work fer me....never
bent gear legs on FireFly.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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That makes a ton of sence, a lot more than I expected. I'd have to digest i
t for a altering my opinion.
But I also have to disagree about changing the flap setting on short final,
particulary retracting them if you are short. I adjusting power to adjust
desired landing point. You'd think we were in different sports.
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Kolb-List: L
anding StallsDate: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:07:01 -0400
The best part of this list is the way we share ideas. Also could we all jus
t call it a "stall" that is really what it is.
My understanding is that new pilots have a problem with how quickly these p
lanes slow from flying speed to a stall. There is also the comfort level of
seeing a rather panoramic view of the ground coming up at them real fast.
This is a fault of a Kolb (so to speak) because it has such great visibilit
y. The result is that people have this inborn and in the case of GA pilots
"training " that has them fairing too high. Some new flyer just E-mailed us
about this very issue very accurately describing it.
I think that new pilots should set up their approach that has the lowest de
cent rate/angle and gives the new pilot them most time to pull up and adjus
t to a good landing flair. This can best be accomplished with no flaps and
some power. Flaps do two things, they increase the decent rate/angle and th
ey increase the rate of speed that these planes slow down. You can set up g
entle approach with flaps but you have to greatly increase the power accomp
lish it. The main problem is loosing power on approach would be a bad thing
. The more power you have to depend on the worse it could be. Flaps also pr
oduce more drag than they reduce stall speed. Using flaps will slow the pla
ne quicker than the reduced stall speed will help.
Also someone suggested using slips and throttle to get to their desired lan
ding point. Slips are less effective than flaps so why not use flaps. adjus
ting power, primarily increasing power greatly increases the odds of a powe
r failure. I believe the rule is that if you change the throttle on approac
h it should only be to reduced power. Flaps can be moved in and out as nece
ssary on approach to get to your desired landing point. You just have to ad
just your pitch according to your flap usage.
As always worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: David Key
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Because the dreaded Kolb drop, or stall is what it used to be called occurs
a little later and a little slower which gives the pilot a little more tim
e to make adjustments in the landing environment. Kolb steering is a bit ea
sier to tackle the slower you are going. It's the way that I would teach it
.
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis
t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:42:15 -0400
David
Ok. So tell us why.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: David Key
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on land
ing.
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis
t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will s
erve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till yo
u are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the pow
er. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce t
he power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at th
e same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the firs
t time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with l
ots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notc
h of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with n
o flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than
for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is
one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings b
ut I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then a
pproach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm bei
ng too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too
fast to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference
between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows
down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground.
The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to
about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a c
onventional craft you are asking for trouble.
Good Luck,
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
Dana,
FYI, I just installed 2 new 6 gal tanks in my Firestar II. With regards
to drilling holes, I had a lot of plastic cuttings in my new tanks after
I drilled the holes with a "Unibit" drill bit. I washed it all out with
some gas. So, from my experience if you cut holes, you will probably get
some debri in the tank.
Jimmy Young
FS II
Houston
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Regarding "missing" center section between wings on MkIII:
Attached are a couple photos of Bob Bean's MKIII (and my Allegro) with "missing"
center section. You can't see it in the photo very well but Bob made some Lexan
end plates (airflow fences) that are the shape of the airfoil plus about 2-3"
all around. According to my memory, the addition of the airflow fences made
a very big improvement compared to flying it without the fences. BB can chime
in any time if my memory is in error.
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N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Stalls |
At 01:49 PM 3/17/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>Dana:
>
>Not to disagree, too much, but Kolbs will also float, especially when you
>do not want them to. If you are in a tight situation and your Kolb has no
>brakes, the Kolbs will float forever
Actually it was the Quicksilver I was referring to that didn't float-- at
all. My US isn't that bad, though nothing compared to my old T-Craft...
T-Crafts were notorious floaters.
With only 10 hours in it, I'm still working out my preferred technique in
the US, what with no flaps and slips not really doing much of anything
except changing the angle the wind hits my face :)
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| Subject: | Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
Where'd you get the tanks & how much? TNK told me their 6 gal. tanks would
not fit a FS II........
Howard Shackleford
FS II
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FYI, I just installed 2 new 6 gal tanks in my Firestar II.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
Howard-
I got them from Travis at TNK. They fit, but it is a tight fit. Dan Glib
in Arizona owns a FS II and he gave me some advice which worked pretty
well. I'll send you off-line a pic he sent of his installation that
helped me. At his suggestion, I put velcro strips on the tanks where the
cage tubing comes in contact to prevent wear, as the 6 gal tanks are not
as thick walled as the 5 gal tanks are. It worked out nice. The tanks
actually hold 6.5 gal with a little air-room left, so it really gives
you 13 gal. If anyone else is interested in the pic, I've sent one to
the Matronics Photoshare site, but it says it will take a few days to
post it. Or, you can email me off line and I'll send you one.
Jimmy Young
FS II
Houston
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Thanks Lanny. I've been talking to some folks about that very thing. Just gotta
figure out how it needs to be done.
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Fellow Koblers
With the chance of being thrown into the brier patch. I would like to ask
those who's messages are in very small print to if possible to increase the
size of their printing. Some of us are older and it is hard to read some of
the e-mails. I am 70 and use bifocals and I am in that group.
To those that can and will, thanks.
Jimmy Hankinson
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| Subject: | Re: Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank |
Jimmy:
You can attach a photo to the email you post to the Kolb List.
john h
If anyone else is interested in the pic, I've sent one to the
Matronics Photoshare site, but it says it will take a few days to post
it. Or, you can email me off line and I'll send you one.
Jimmy Young
FS II
Houston
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Hi Jimmy:
I'm a year behind you and equipped with bifocals also.
My Outlook Express seems to dictate that the font size is dictated by
the size of font in the msg I am responding to. If I go above the
referenced msg, then my normal font size appears.
Hang in there and you guys print bigger.
There is a way to increase the size of print on a web page, but can not
remember how to do it. One of these young whipper snappers will likely
jump in here and help us out.
john h
mkIII
I am 70 and use bifocals and I am in that group.
Jimmy Hankinson
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Jimmy,
This is what I was complaining about recently, when I asked how to be on the "rich
text" format from Matronics. My email server (or something) WON'T let me use
the "rich text". ( The rich text format allows me to increase the font size,
and color).
Unless I send an email in "plain text" format, it gets sent back rejected. This
dumb tiny print is all I can muster. I'm blind as a bat, too, without my
reading glasses.
Apologies, Jimmy.
Mike Welch
With the chance of being thrown into the brier patch. I would like to ask those
whos messages are in very small print to if possible to increase the size of
their printing. Some of us are older and it is hard to read some of the e-mails.
I am 70 and use bifocals and I am in that group.
To those that can and will, thanks.
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| Subject: | 6 gallon tanks in a FS II |
Replying to >Re: Re: Re: fuel system plumbing, aux tank
John,
Here is the pic of 2 - 6 gallon tanks purchased from TNK in a FS II,
hope it makes it. I Put mine in the same way. Credit for the pic goes to
Dan G. in AZ
Jimmy Young
FS II
Houston
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I am not sure what you are using. I use the kolb list forums and do not use email to check this list. http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=5
Anyway the easy way to enlarge the text when you are in your Internet explorer
web browser is to go to your View menu beside the edit menu and left click it.
This menu is at the top left of your screen. Then scroll down to text size
and chose largest.
That should have the text large enough for you.
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Stalls |
Dana,
Depends on what model Quick, I have a 2 place Sprint that with float for
what feels like forever! Of course that is comparing it to my FS.
Fly Safe,
Wade
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Most mail programs allow for text size and color... I have used
Eudora for some months now and find it to have more features than I
can use.. Herb
I do not remember the letters on the eye chart?? :-) Herb
At 07:53 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:
>
>
>Jimmy,
>
>This is what I was complaining about recently, when I asked how to
>be on the "rich text" format from Matronics. My email server (or
>something) WON'T let me use the "rich text". ( The rich text format
>allows me to increase the font size, and color).
>
> Unless I send an email in "plain text" format, it gets sent back
> rejected. This dumb tiny print is all I can muster. I'm blind as
> a bat, too, without my reading glasses.
>
>Apologies, Jimmy.
>
>Mike Welch
>
>
>With the chance of being thrown into the brier patch. I would like
>to ask those who's messages are in very small print to if possible
>to increase the size of their printing. Some of us are older and it
>is hard to read some of the e-mails. I am 70 and use bifocals and I
>am in that group.
>
>To those that can and will, thanks.
>
>Jimmy Hankinson
>
>
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I put the fences on after flying it with no center section. I could
tell a lot of lift was being lost.
The fences prevent spillage off the wing roots. I figure I have the
best arrangement due to
better airflow and less drag. Any airfoil that has an engine popping
up through it can't provide much lift.
I have since thought about a tip modification but won't mess with
that until I bash something.
BB
On 17, Mar 2008, at 5:15 PM, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Regarding "missing" center section between wings on MkIII:
>
> Attached are a couple photos of Bob Bean's MKIII (and my Allegro)
> with "missing" center section. You can't see it in the photo very
> well but Bob made some Lexan end plates (airflow fences) that are
> the shape of the airfoil plus about 2-3" all around. According to
> my memory, the addition of the airflow fences made a very big
> improvement compared to flying it without the fences. BB can chime
> in any time if my memory is in error.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
> N197BG FS1/447
> --------------------
> Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it,
> not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason
> and your own common sense.
> - Buddha
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170467#170467
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Versus Firefly |
I have always believe the FireFly was about the best little airplane at handling
crosswinds of anything in the 500 lb class....or maybe even 600 ponders...
If you want to see from the pilots seat how the Fly works in a 25 knot 90 degree
wind...take a look at the video on my brothers page here
http://www.dgmodels.rchomepage.com/index.htm
its about halfway down....past the models..
Look close at the very begining at the windsock...standing straight as a board...And
the FireFly was completely predictable and no sweat to control at all.
there were 2 Firestar owners there that day...hanger mates , and they both told
me after I was done they would dare fly in this wind...
And for what its worth, My Kitfox speedster is 700 lbs empty and is way too much
of a handful on the ground to fly comfortably in the same conditions. It will
do it...but its a thrill....and more risky.
FireStar land slower, and lifts more though, so for cross country...it might be
a better pick. with a 503 it oughtta be almost as fast as a FFly. Hard to say.
I alway thought if I build another FireFly, I would not cut the wing spar tube
and leave it as shipped, which would add almost 2 feet of wing.( 20 inchs if I
remember right ..not quite a FireStar...but all you would need is to add a rib
on each side and you make better use of the materials sent, and The Fly would
land a tad slower and haul a bit more without getting mushy...sort of a cross
between them.......... Splitting hairs maybe....
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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