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1. 03:51 AM - FSII Gas tank and FAR 103 (Lanny Fetterman)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Dana Hague)
3. 03:58 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Dana Hague)
4. 05:18 AM - FireFly Page -> Index (Jack B. Hart)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Robert Laird)
6. 05:49 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Robert Laird)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Ralph B)
8. 06:22 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Ralph B)
9. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (HShack@aol.com)
10. 09:02 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Ralph B)
11. 09:20 AM - Cold One at MV (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: Cold One at MV (Russ Kinne)
13. 02:11 PM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (planecrazzzy)
14. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (possums)
15. 05:37 PM - Re: Cold One at MV (Dave Rains)
16. 07:26 PM - Hellow Kolbers (Mr Rudder)
17. 08:33 PM - Nice article (R. Hankins)
18. 08:57 PM - Re: Hellow Kolbers (Bob Noyer)
19. 09:05 PM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Dana Hague)
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| Subject: | FSII Gas tank and FAR 103 |
Isn`t one or two tanks a moot point? I know my FSII is over 254 pounds with
no fuel on board. Perhaps you built yours lighter then I built mine.
Lanny N598LF Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
At 11:32 PM 3/26/2008, HShack@aol.com wrote:
>I always thought no more than 5 gal. could be on the plane under FAR 103,
>now , I hear that you can carry all you want as long as only 5 gal. is
>connected to the engine.......nicht war?
So, as I understand it, that means I can have my two 5 gal. tanks on board
with quick dis-connects but only one connected to the engine? [Can't be
changed in flight] Make a 1 hour flight, then swap to the other tank for
return trip?
From AC103-7:
"The maximum fuel capacity for a powered ultralight vehicle is 5 U.S.
gallons. Any powered ultralight with fuel tank(s) exceeding this capacity
is ineligible for operation as an ultralight vehicle."
A case could be made for a gas can that's not part of the aircraft (i.e.
baggage) as not counting toward the 5 gallons, but I would think (or more
important, any roving FAA inspector would think) that an actual tank built
into the aircraft, whether connected or not, would be part of the
aircraft's "fuel capacity".
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
At 11:32 PM 3/26/2008, HShack@aol.com wrote:
>I always thought no more than 5 gal. could be on the plane under FAR 103,
>now , I hear that you can carry all you want as long as only 5 gal. is
>connected to the engine.......nicht war?
So, as I understand it, that means I can have my two 5 gal. tanks on board
with quick dis-connects but only one connected to the engine? [Can't be
changed in flight] Make a 1 hour flight, then swap to the other tank for
return trip?
From AC103-7:
"The maximum fuel capacity for a powered ultralight vehicle is 5 U.S.
gallons. Any powered ultralight with fuel tank(s) exceeding this capacity
is ineligible for operation as an ultralight vehicle."
A case could be made for a gas can that's not part of the aircraft (i.e.
baggage) as not counting toward the 5 gallons, but I would think (or more
important, any roving FAA inspector would think) that an actual tank built
into the aircraft, whether connected or not, would be part of the
aircraft's "fuel capacity".
-Dana
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| Subject: | FireFly Page -> Index |
Kolber's,
More than a few have suggested that my FireFly page would be more useful if
I added an index. Since I had no idea that the page would grow to the point
that it has, I had no built in accommodation for indexing.
I found a neat "javascript:history.go(-1)........." example that let me
convert all the hard wired "BACK" into a window history back. Once all
the pages had been converted, I was able to go through all the pages and
form up a subject based index. This html is reached from the original
first page:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html
Since some pages seemed to fit under several categories, they were listed
multiple times. All "NEXT" are hard wired jumps. If you want to progress
through the pages from beginning to end, just keep hitting "NEXT". If a
page includes a jump, you must use "BACK" or the browser equivalent to
return to the original page.
This is not as much fun as flying, but it does help to pass cold damp days,
and to remember good and not to good times experienced with the FireFly.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page -> Index |
And, those same people don't really have to wait for you to create an
index to find things in your site. Just go to Google and type in:
<search term> site:http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly
For example, if I wanted to find entries made with the word "lexan" in
it, I'd type in:
lexan site:http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly
and up pops two pages!
-- Robert
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart@onlyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Kolber's,
>
> More than a few have suggested that my FireFly page would be more useful if
> I added an index. Since I had no idea that the page would grow to the point
> that it has, I had no built in accommodation for indexing.
>
> I found a neat "javascript:history.go(-1)........." example that let me
> convert all the hard wired "BACK" into a window history back. Once all
> the pages had been converted, I was able to go through all the pages and
> form up a subject based index. This html is reached from the original
> first page:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html
>
> Since some pages seemed to fit under several categories, they were listed
> multiple times. All "NEXT" are hard wired jumps. If you want to progress
> through the pages from beginning to end, just keep hitting "NEXT". If a
> page includes a jump, you must use "BACK" or the browser equivalent to
> return to the original page.
>
> This is not as much fun as flying, but it does help to pass cold damp days,
> and to remember good and not to good times experienced with the FireFly.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
Dana --
You needed to post just a little bit more on AC103-7: "a. Determination of
Fuel Capacity. The total volume, including all available
space for usable *and unusable fuel* in the fuel tank *or tanks on the
vehicle* is the total fuel capacity." That makes it clear that you can't
even have a separate, sealed gas can anywhere on the vehicle, if it and your
available fuel exceeds 5 gallons. It's a pretty rigid rule, unfortunately.
-- Robert
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> At 11:32 PM 3/26/2008, HShack@aol.com wrote:
>
> I always thought no more than 5 gal. could be on the plane under FAR 103,
> now , I hear that you can carry all you want as long as only 5 gal. is
> connected to the engine.......nicht war?
> So, as I understand it, that means I can have my two 5 gal. tanks on
board
> with quick dis-connects but only one connected to the engine? [Can't be
> changed in flight] Make a 1 hour flight, then swap to the other tank for
> return trip?
>
>
> From AC103-7:
> "The maximum fuel capacity for a powered ultralight vehicle is 5 U.S.
> gallons. Any powered ultralight with fuel tank(s) exceeding this capacity
> is ineligible for operation as an ultralight vehicle."
>
> A case could be made for a gas can that's not part of the aircraft (i.e.
> baggage) as not counting toward the 5 gallons, but I would think (or more
> important, any roving FAA inspector would think) that an actual tank built
> into the aircraft, whether connected or not, would be part of the
aircraft's
> "fuel capacity".
>
> -Dana
>
>
> -- The difference between a hero and a fool is the outcome.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page -> Index |
Jack,
I've always been impressed how you've spent your retirement years with the building
and modifications of your Firefly. You've done a great service to those people
who would like to build a plane someday. I've directed your website to all
the engineers I work with and they are very much impressed too. Keep up the
good work!
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible to fly under Part
103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the legal limit of 254 lbs and there
isn't any way it could be made light enough to fit in the ultralight category.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
Yeah, yeah, I know, but the most obvious illegality of my fat baby is the 2
plainly marked 5 gallon tanks.
I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so until they
pry the stick out of my cold, dead fingers. Flame away..............
Shack
FS II
In a message dated 3/27/2008 9:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ul15rhb@juno.com writes:
First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible to fly under
Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the legal limit of 254 lbs and
there isn't any way it could be made light enough to fit in the ultralight
category.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
> Yeah, yeah, I know, but the most obvious illegality of my fat baby is the 2
plainly marked 5 gallon tanks.
>
> I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so until they
pry the stick out of my cold, dead fingers. Flame away..............
>
> Shack
> FS II
It probably wouldn't be a good idea to fly into any airports. If you have flown
with friends in the past, this will certainly put a damper on your fun. The fines
are going to be stiff.
Good luck ...
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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<< I'll bring you a cold beer at Monument Valley. Thanks - Mike Welch
>>
Mike -
Not necessary.
This is why we continue to invite Dave Rains, even though he flies up in
a Cessna and not his Kolb. It's his Cessna's hauling capacity!
Monument Valley is on the Navajo reservation, and there is no beer
available there. Each time he flies there, we are amazed to see him
unload CASES of beverage, upon arriving. And even then we'd run out, so
Dave graciously announces that he must fly to Page, AZ (50 miles) to get
more! What a guy!
Dennis Kirby
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| Subject: | Re: Cold One at MV |
Dennis
Pls tell us what this alphabet soup means!!
CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
Hey , Just change the labels on the 5 gal tanks - to 2 1/2 gals
He he he
Mike & "Jaz" in MN / 10 gals and want more...
.
.
.
[quote="HShack(at)aol.com"]Yeah, yeah, I know, but the most obvious illegality
of my fat baby is the 2 plainly marked 5 gallon tanks.
I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so until they pry the stick out of my cold, dead fingers.[img]http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/08[/img] Flame away..............
Shack
FS II
In a message dated 3/27/2008 9:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ul15rhb@juno.com
writes:
> First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible to fly under
Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the legal limit of 254 lbs and
there isn't any way it could be made light enough to fit in the ultralight
category.
>
> Ralph
>
Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001).
> [b]
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| Subject: | Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 |
Well it's really just a seat & a half, and a little
overweight.......... that should be OK.
I actually did print some "5 gallon/18 liter" stick-on labels once -
to put on a 8 gallon tank when going to
Sun & Fun a long time ago - just in case they looked.
At 05:08 PM 3/27/2008, you wrote:
>
>Hey , Just change the labels on the 5 gal tanks - to 2 1/2 gals
>
> I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so
> until they pry the stick out of my cold, dead
> fingers.[img]http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/08[/img]
> Flame away..............
>
>
> > First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible
> to fly under Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the
> legal limit of 254 lbs and there isn't any way it could be made
> light enough to fit in the ultralight category.
> >
> > Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Cold One at MV |
And besides, I STARTED THE DARN THING with Will Uribe!!!! All the rest of you
are interlopers! Not to worry though, I'll still bring the libations. :D
Dave
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I just received the April issue of EAA Sport Pilot Magazine. There is a great
article by this lists own Rick Neilsen. Titled "the Quest for Affordable Power,"
Rick outlines his journey toward success with VW engines and re-drives.
It is a well written article with good photos. Rick put in a great plug for Kolb
aircraft in general and the MarkIII in particular in a publication that will
be seen by many potential builders/pilots. I was impressed by the way he frankly
discussed his struggles and successes. No sugar coating, just good solid
info. Rick, thanks for a good read and furthering the "Kolb Cause." One can't
read this article without getting a positive impression of Kolbs.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| Subject: | Re: Hellow Kolbers |
And Hello(W?) to you. Seems as though I just rec'd an almost
duplicate message from benny_bee_01. Ain't much on juvenile "chatting."
And I do adhere to Do Not Archive.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page -> Index |
At 09:14 AM 3/27/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>...I was able to go through all the pages and
>form up a subject based index. This html is reached from the original
>first page:
>
>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html
Very nice, Jack, you made a great site even better!
-Dana
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