---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/27/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - FSII Gas tank and FAR 103 (Lanny Fetterman) 2. 03:58 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Dana Hague) 3. 03:58 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Dana Hague) 4. 05:18 AM - FireFly Page -> Index (Jack B. Hart) 5. 05:43 AM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Robert Laird) 6. 05:49 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Robert Laird) 7. 06:13 AM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Ralph B) 8. 06:22 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Ralph B) 9. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (HShack@aol.com) 10. 09:02 AM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (Ralph B) 11. 09:20 AM - Cold One at MV (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 12. 09:35 AM - Re: Cold One at MV (Russ Kinne) 13. 02:11 PM - Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (planecrazzzy) 14. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 (possums) 15. 05:37 PM - Re: Cold One at MV (Dave Rains) 16. 07:26 PM - Hellow Kolbers (Mr Rudder) 17. 08:33 PM - Nice article (R. Hankins) 18. 08:57 PM - Re: Hellow Kolbers (Bob Noyer) 19. 09:05 PM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Dana Hague) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:51 AM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: FSII Gas tank and FAR 103 Isn`t one or two tanks a moot point? I know my FSII is over 254 pounds with no fuel on board. Perhaps you built yours lighter then I built mine. Lanny N598LF Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:12 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 At 11:32 PM 3/26/2008, HShack@aol.com wrote: >I always thought no more than 5 gal. could be on the plane under FAR 103, >now , I hear that you can carry all you want as long as only 5 gal. is >connected to the engine.......nicht war? So, as I understand it, that means I can have my two 5 gal. tanks on board with quick dis-connects but only one connected to the engine? [Can't be changed in flight] Make a 1 hour flight, then swap to the other tank for return trip? From AC103-7: "The maximum fuel capacity for a powered ultralight vehicle is 5 U.S. gallons. Any powered ultralight with fuel tank(s) exceeding this capacity is ineligible for operation as an ultralight vehicle." A case could be made for a gas can that's not part of the aircraft (i.e. baggage) as not counting toward the 5 gallons, but I would think (or more important, any roving FAA inspector would think) that an actual tank built into the aircraft, whether connected or not, would be part of the aircraft's "fuel capacity". -Dana -- The difference between a hero and a fool is the outcome. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:12 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 At 11:32 PM 3/26/2008, HShack@aol.com wrote: >I always thought no more than 5 gal. could be on the plane under FAR 103, >now , I hear that you can carry all you want as long as only 5 gal. is >connected to the engine.......nicht war? So, as I understand it, that means I can have my two 5 gal. tanks on board with quick dis-connects but only one connected to the engine? [Can't be changed in flight] Make a 1 hour flight, then swap to the other tank for return trip? From AC103-7: "The maximum fuel capacity for a powered ultralight vehicle is 5 U.S. gallons. Any powered ultralight with fuel tank(s) exceeding this capacity is ineligible for operation as an ultralight vehicle." A case could be made for a gas can that's not part of the aircraft (i.e. baggage) as not counting toward the 5 gallons, but I would think (or more important, any roving FAA inspector would think) that an actual tank built into the aircraft, whether connected or not, would be part of the aircraft's "fuel capacity". -Dana -- The difference between a hero and a fool is the outcome. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:33 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Page -> Index Kolber's, More than a few have suggested that my FireFly page would be more useful if I added an index. Since I had no idea that the page would grow to the point that it has, I had no built in accommodation for indexing. I found a neat "javascript:history.go(-1)........." example that let me convert all the hard wired "BACK" into a window history back. Once all the pages had been converted, I was able to go through all the pages and form up a subject based index. This html is reached from the original first page: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html Since some pages seemed to fit under several categories, they were listed multiple times. All "NEXT" are hard wired jumps. If you want to progress through the pages from beginning to end, just keep hitting "NEXT". If a page includes a jump, you must use "BACK" or the browser equivalent to return to the original page. This is not as much fun as flying, but it does help to pass cold damp days, and to remember good and not to good times experienced with the FireFly. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:40 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Page -> Index And, those same people don't really have to wait for you to create an index to find things in your site. Just go to Google and type in: site:http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly For example, if I wanted to find entries made with the word "lexan" in it, I'd type in: lexan site:http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly and up pops two pages! -- Robert On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote: > > Kolber's, > > More than a few have suggested that my FireFly page would be more useful if > I added an index. Since I had no idea that the page would grow to the point > that it has, I had no built in accommodation for indexing. > > I found a neat "javascript:history.go(-1)........." example that let me > convert all the hard wired "BACK" into a window history back. Once all > the pages had been converted, I was able to go through all the pages and > form up a subject based index. This html is reached from the original > first page: > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html > > Since some pages seemed to fit under several categories, they were listed > multiple times. All "NEXT" are hard wired jumps. If you want to progress > through the pages from beginning to end, just keep hitting "NEXT". If a > page includes a jump, you must use "BACK" or the browser equivalent to > return to the original page. > > This is not as much fun as flying, but it does help to pass cold damp days, > and to remember good and not to good times experienced with the FireFly. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:59 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 Dana -- You needed to post just a little bit more on AC103-7: "a. Determination of Fuel Capacity. The total volume, including all available space for usable *and unusable fuel* in the fuel tank *or tanks on the vehicle* is the total fuel capacity." That makes it clear that you can't even have a separate, sealed gas can anywhere on the vehicle, if it and your available fuel exceeds 5 gallons. It's a pretty rigid rule, unfortunately. -- Robert On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > At 11:32 PM 3/26/2008, HShack@aol.com wrote: > > I always thought no more than 5 gal. could be on the plane under FAR 103, > now , I hear that you can carry all you want as long as only 5 gal. is > connected to the engine.......nicht war? > So, as I understand it, that means I can have my two 5 gal. tanks on board > with quick dis-connects but only one connected to the engine? [Can't be > changed in flight] Make a 1 hour flight, then swap to the other tank for > return trip? > > > From AC103-7: > "The maximum fuel capacity for a powered ultralight vehicle is 5 U.S. > gallons. Any powered ultralight with fuel tank(s) exceeding this capacity > is ineligible for operation as an ultralight vehicle." > > A case could be made for a gas can that's not part of the aircraft (i.e. > baggage) as not counting toward the 5 gallons, but I would think (or more > important, any roving FAA inspector would think) that an actual tank built > into the aircraft, whether connected or not, would be part of the aircraft's > "fuel capacity". > > -Dana > > > -- The difference between a hero and a fool is the outcome. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Page -> Index From: "Ralph B" Jack, I've always been impressed how you've spent your retirement years with the building and modifications of your Firefly. You've done a great service to those people who would like to build a plane someday. I've directed your website to all the engineers I work with and they are very much impressed too. Keep up the good work! Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173001#173001 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 From: "Ralph B" First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible to fly under Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the legal limit of 254 lbs and there isn't any way it could be made light enough to fit in the ultralight category. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173003#173003 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:30 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 Yeah, yeah, I know, but the most obvious illegality of my fat baby is the 2 plainly marked 5 gallon tanks. I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so until they pry the stick out of my cold, dead fingers. Flame away.............. Shack FS II In a message dated 3/27/2008 9:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ul15rhb@juno.com writes: First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible to fly under Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the legal limit of 254 lbs and there isn't any way it could be made light enough to fit in the ultralight category. Ralph **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 From: "Ralph B" > Yeah, yeah, I know, but the most obvious illegality of my fat baby is the 2 plainly marked 5 gallon tanks. > > I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so until they pry the stick out of my cold, dead fingers. Flame away.............. > > Shack > FS II It probably wouldn't be a good idea to fly into any airports. If you have flown with friends in the past, this will certainly put a damper on your fun. The fines are going to be stiff. Good luck ... Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173036#173036 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Cold One at MV From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" << I'll bring you a cold beer at Monument Valley. Thanks - Mike Welch >> Mike - Not necessary. This is why we continue to invite Dave Rains, even though he flies up in a Cessna and not his Kolb. It's his Cessna's hauling capacity! Monument Valley is on the Navajo reservation, and there is no beer available there. Each time he flies there, we are amazed to see him unload CASES of beverage, upon arriving. And even then we'd run out, so Dave graciously announces that he must fly to Page, AZ (50 miles) to get more! What a guy! Dennis Kirby Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:23 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cold One at MV Dennis Pls tell us what this alphabet soup means!! CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 From: "planecrazzzy" Hey , Just change the labels on the 5 gal tanks - to 2 1/2 gals He he he Mike & "Jaz" in MN / 10 gals and want more... .. .. .. [quote="HShack(at)aol.com"]Yeah, yeah, I know, but the most obvious illegality of my fat baby is the 2 plainly marked 5 gallon tanks. I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so until they pry the stick out of my cold, dead fingers.[img]http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/08[/img] Flame away.............. Shack FS II In a message dated 3/27/2008 9:23:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ul15rhb@juno.com writes: > First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible to fly under Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the legal limit of 254 lbs and there isn't any way it could be made light enough to fit in the ultralight category. > > Ralph > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001). > [b] -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173100#173100 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:00 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FS II Gas Tanks & FAR 103.7 Well it's really just a seat & a half, and a little overweight.......... that should be OK. I actually did print some "5 gallon/18 liter" stick-on labels once - to put on a 8 gallon tank when going to Sun & Fun a long time ago - just in case they looked. At 05:08 PM 3/27/2008, you wrote: > >Hey , Just change the labels on the 5 gal tanks - to 2 1/2 gals > > I have been a "just fly"er for the last 8 years & will remain so > until they pry the stick out of my cold, dead > fingers.[img]http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/08[/img] > Flame away.............. > > > > First of all, a Firestar II has two seats making it ineligible > to fly under Part 103. Secondly, it weighs far more than the > legal limit of 254 lbs and there isn't any way it could be made > light enough to fit in the ultralight category. > > > > Ralph ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:00 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cold One at MV From: "Dave Rains" And besides, I STARTED THE DARN THING with Will Uribe!!!! All the rest of you are interlopers! Not to worry though, I'll still bring the libations. :D Dave -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173154#173154 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:46 PM PST US From: Mr Rudder Subject: Kolb-List: Hellow Kolbers Hello there fellow aviation enthusiasts! Please allow me to introduce a new website geared towards bringing pilots and non-pilots, hobbyists and professionals, together. HTTP://AVIAPORTAL.NET Our aim is to help aviators socialize, discuss and enjoy everything about wings and the sky. My friends and I developed this non-profit site with the goal to give back to and support the aviation community. We thought this would be best accomplished by providing a medium for members to share and discuss their passion through various features. This website is user-friendly and absolutely free of charge. 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It is a well written article with good photos. Rick put in a great plug for Kolb aircraft in general and the MarkIII in particular in a publication that will be seen by many potential builders/pilots. I was impressed by the way he frankly discussed his struggles and successes. No sugar coating, just good solid info. Rick, thanks for a good read and furthering the "Kolb Cause." One can't read this article without getting a positive impression of Kolbs. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173203#173203 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:33 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hellow Kolbers And Hello(W?) to you. Seems as though I just rec'd an almost duplicate message from benny_bee_01. Ain't much on juvenile "chatting." And I do adhere to Do Not Archive. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:04 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Page -> Index At 09:14 AM 3/27/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote: >...I was able to go through all the pages and >form up a subject based index. This html is reached from the original >first page: > >http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html Very nice, Jack, you made a great site even better! -Dana -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.