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1. 01:13 AM - Re: Camping at Homer's (TK)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Thom Riddle)
3. 09:42 AM - Re: Cold One at MV (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL)
4. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Cold One at MV (Mike Welch)
5. 12:57 PM - MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
6. 01:32 PM - Re: MKIIIx (robert bean)
7. 02:05 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
8. 03:37 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Russ Kinne)
9. 03:44 PM - Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (boyd)
10. 04:07 PM - Re: MKIIIx (herb)
11. 05:02 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
12. 05:10 PM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
13. 05:18 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Russ Kinne)
14. 05:40 PM - Rick Neilsen's Article (Bill Vincent)
15. 05:46 PM - Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Frankd)
16. 06:01 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
17. 06:25 PM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Denny Rowe)
18. 06:26 PM - Fw: Uncle John's Fly-In in Michigan (Denny Rowe)
19. 07:50 PM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (JetPilot)
20. 08:00 PM - Re: MKIIIx (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Camping at Homer's |
Kolb group,
Concerning camping for the Fathers Day Fly-in at Homer's. John H. and I
have looked into it and it really wouldn't be convenient or practical
for the Kolb's to have us camp there. Here are some alternatives to
consider.
Smoketown Airport in just east of Lancaster, PA and Steve Green camped
at Smoketown two years ago on his trip up this way. There are a couple
of places to eat near by and a bathroom that is open all the time. I
spoke with Mel Glick, the manager of Smoketown and he said there would
be no problem with your camping there.
Also, there is my airstrip south of Smoketown Airport shown on the
Washington sectional as Hideaway Airpark. Both are 37 miles from
Homer's. I have had guys camping at my field numerous times and I think
you would find it very quiet. No bathroom, but there is the woods and
we usually have a big campfire! I could provide necessary picnic needs
and transportation into town if desired.
The other option is Shreveport North in York County which has it's
annual Ultralight Fly-in that weekend., but it is 67 miles west of
Homer's.
Some of us had planned on camping the night before Homer's anyway and it
would be great if you guys were to join us. We will probably fly over
to Shreveport North Saturday after Homer's to see what is going on there
and camp.
There might be others closer to homer's, but I'm not familiar with any,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Page -> Index |
Jack,
OUTSTANDING!
Your website is a most useful resource, now made even more useful with
the index. Thanks!
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Cold One at MV |
Russ Kinne asked: << Dennis - Pls tell us what this alphabet soup
means!!
CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL >>
Hi, Russ - All that "alphabet soup" is the header that my Internet
Service Provider automatically attaches to my e-mail address. Because
my Kolb List posts come from my work computer, and because I work in a
Government office, I have no choice; the ISP server adds all that
alphabet stuff as identification to my identity.
I am a civilian contractor (CTR) working in an Air Force program office
(USAF) which is under the Air Force Material Command (AFMC), part of the
Missile Defense Agency (MDA), and working the Airborne Laser (AL)
project.
To me, it's fascinating to be involved on the two opposite extremes of
aviation technology - the Airborne Laser, a highly-modified special-use
747 with all it's high-tech gizmo gagetry on one extreme, and our simple
little Kolbs on the other.
But I assure you, Kolbs are more fun!
Dennis Kirby
p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He is correct in saying
that our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley was
indeed originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys! So besides our
enthusiasm for having Dave attend the event (with his Cessna full of
cases of libation), the local Navajos also look forward to our May
event, as Dave spends most of his flying time there giving rides to the
Indian kids. That's probably the best positive PR we can get - Way to
go agian, Dave!
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| Subject: | Re: Cold One at MV |
Dennis,
I'm a little troubled. Now that you've told us all on the Kolb group, wh
at those letters stand for,does that
mean you now have you kill us?
Mike Welch
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cold One at MV > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:39:58
-0600> From: Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> > -
s.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>> > > > > Russ Kinne asked: << Dennis - Pls tell us
what this alphabet soup> means!!> CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL >>> > Hi, Russ - Al
l that "alphabet soup" is the header that my Internet> Service Provider aut
omatically attaches to my e-mail address. Because> my Kolb List posts come
from my work computer, and because I work in a> Government office, I have n
o choice; the ISP server adds all that> alphabet stuff as identification to
my identity. > > I am a civilian contractor (CTR) working in an Air Force
program office> (USAF) which is under the Air Force Material Command (AFMC)
, part of the> Missile Defense Agency (MDA), and working the Airborne Laser
(AL)> project.> > To me, it's fascinating to be involved on the two opposi
te extremes of> aviation technology - the Airborne Laser, a highly-modified
special-use> 747 with all it's high-tech gizmo gagetry on one extreme, and
our simple> little Kolbs on the other.> > But I assure you, Kolbs are more
fun!> > Dennis Kirby> > p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He i
s correct in saying> that our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monu
ment Valley was> indeed originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys! So besi
des our> enthusiasm for having Dave attend the event (with his Cessna full
of> cases of libation), the local Navajos also look forward to our May> eve
nt, as Dave spends most of his flying time there giving rides to the> India
n kids. That's probably the best positive PR we can get - Way to> go agian,
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Hi Gang:
Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a short
test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips.
Initial results are:
Stall:
Clean - 36 mph
20 deg - 30 mph
45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo)
All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in the
rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is
visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is supposed
to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to get better
numbers in the morning.
Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in
another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will have
increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had enough slow
speed authority. This airplane will fly slow.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Labhart Field, KY
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as Sgt Shultz said, "verrry interesting"
-now for the VGs. heh heh
BB
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On 28, Mar 2008, at 4:10 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote:
> Hi Gang:
>
> Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a
> short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips.
>
> Initial results are:
>
> Stall:
>
> Clean - 36 mph
>
> 20 deg - 30 mph
>
> 45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo)
>
> All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in
> the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is
> visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is
> supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to
> get better numbers in the morning.
>
> Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in
> another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will
> have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had
> enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Labhart Field, KY
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Bob B:
I knew that was coming! ;-)
You know what my standard answer is for my mkIII. Well........going to
be about the same for the new MKIIIx, "I really do not have a
requirement for VGs."
Again, this was a very short flight. I was restricted with ceiling and
visibility. Hopefully, in the morning we can get some good test weather
to get a better feel for the new airplane. I am glad I got to get as
much time on it as I did without the droop tips. Gives me a better feel
for what the droop tips are doing. Don't forget though, this airplane
has 13 feet of straight wing plus the tips. It was a slow flying
airplane before addition of the tips.
john h
mkIII
Labhart Field, KY
Sgt Shultz said, "verrry interesting"
-now for the VGs. heh heh
BB
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John
Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X?
On Mar 28, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote:
> Hi Gang:
>
> Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a
> short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips.
>
> Initial results are:
>
> Stall:
>
> Clean - 36 mph
>
> 20 deg - 30 mph
>
> 45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo)
>
> All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in
> the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is
> visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is
> supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to
> get better numbers in the morning.
>
> Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in
> another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will
> have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had
> enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Labhart Field, KY
>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley |
p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He is correct in saying
that our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley was
indeed originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No no no no no!!!!!!!
We went over this a year or so ago,,,, in Sept,2002 Erich Weaver and
myself, along with some others, started a trip through southern Ut. The
trip was cut short when our path was blocked with thunderstorms. In Jan 03
I received this message from Erich Weaver.
"""Boyd, if you are listening, Im thinking about another Monument Valley
attempt. Maybe this spring? Meet me in Moab!
regards,
Erich Weaver
erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com"""
john H answered. """
> Boyd, if you are listening, Im thinking about another Monument Valley
> attempt. Maybe this spring? Meet me in Moab!
>
> regards,
> Erich Weaver
Erich/Gents:
Include me in on your Monument Valley Flight. Jim
Heffner clued me in on his flight recently. He
has been up there 6 times, but once with his
Firestar. Let me see if I can find his web page.
He has some nice shots of the Valley posted. I
was there a couple Octobers ago, but on the
ground. He says it is dramatically different
(better) from the air in a Kolb.
john h"""
erich responded on the 14th
"""Wow! I was startled to see the instant and overwhelming interest in
Monument Valley following my not-so-private message to Boyd Young. It was
like the EF Hutton commercial.
Boyd and I were part of a small group that flew from Beaver, Utah across
Capitol Reef Natl Park and over to Moab, Utah last fall. We had intended
to continue on to Monument Valley and other great sights, but he was
committed to stay with the others who apparently could not afford to wait
out a day of bad weather, and had to skedaddle back home."""
Now I will admit that others had flown MV before that time... but Erich
Weaver's invitation was the start of the "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb
Fly-In at Monument Valley,,,,, Who's name I think was penned by john H.
Thank you Erich
Boyd Young
Kolb MKIII
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I keep my lexan cleaned with pledge furniture polish... Wax... Takes
the bugs off too.. Herb
At 05:33 PM 3/28/2008, you wrote:
>John
>Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X?
>
>
>On Mar 28, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote:
>>Hi Gang:
>>
>>Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a
>>short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips.
>>
>>Initial results are:
>>
>>Stall:
>>
>>Clean - 36 mph
>>
>>20 deg - 30 mph
>>
>>45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo)
>>
>>All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in
>>the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is
>>visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is
>>supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to
>>get better numbers in the morning.
>>
>>Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in
>>another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will
>>have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had
>>enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow.
>>
>>Take care,
>>
>>john h
>>mkIII
>>Labhart Field, KY
>>
>>
>>
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Nope.
Rain X and Lexan are not compatible, as I under it. I have not tried
it, but others have with poor success.
I use plexus on my aircraft.
This X has plexus on it.
john h
mkIII
Labhart Field, KY
From: Russ Kinne
Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley |
Erich
> Weaver's invitation was the start of the "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb
> Fly-In at Monument Valley,,,,, Who's name I think was penned by john H.
>
> Boyd Young
Boyd:
I agree.
Sure am glad you and Erich let me come along.
The name I selected for the flyin was to reflect the nature of it. No
duties, just an enjoyable type flyin. It was also originated as a Kolb
Flyin, however, we reluctantly, naw, just kidding, let other types of
airplanes and people join us, even those that are ground bound. Who knows,
one of these days I may show up on wheels.
One of the primary reasons the folks that fly in are nice to the folks that
drive in is wheels. Once we are on the ground, we are on our feet or the
wheels of others. We all appreciate the fact that the folks with wheels
have gone out of their way to support us.
There is a shuttle van provided by Gouldings to haul us up and down the hill
from the RV Park to the airstrip and the lodge/restaurant. All one has to
do is ask the folks in the camp store or call the desk at the lodge to get a
ride.
It is a great flyin, one that I have had the honor and priviledge of
attending since its inception in 2003. Has it really been that long? This
year will be number 6.
john h
mkIII
Labhart Field, KY
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Thanx for the info! Does Plexus keep the rain drops running like
RainX does?
On Mar 28, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote:
> Nope.
>
> Rain X and Lexan are not compatible, as I under it. I have not
> tried it, but others have with poor success.
>
> I use plexus on my aircraft.
>
> This X has plexus on it.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Labhart Field, KY
>
>
> From: Russ Kinne
>
> Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X?
>
>
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| Subject: | Rick Neilsen's Article |
Hi Gang
Congratulations to Rick for his very informative article about
affordable flying in the April, Sport Pilot Magazine; also a great plug
for Kolb aircraft.
I met Rick at Scott Trask's and also at Oshkosh, he is a very
interesting and knowledgeable man.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
Hi Guys,
This may not be a Kolb question per se, but you guys might know the answer.
I am mounting a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Mark 111 extra with a Prince Aircraft 63"
prop. (P/N 419.877,5557)
The clearance at the tip of the prop away from the Fuselage body near the tail
tube is 2.5 inches.
At normal operating RPM's , what flex should I expect at the tips of the prop?
Do I have enough clearance from the aircraft body?
Also, is this a good engine/prop combo?
Appreciate any input.
Rgds
FrankD
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I don't know. Never used RainX.
jhauck
From: Russ Kinne
Thanx for the info! Does Plexus keep the rain drops running like RainX
does?
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
Frank,
That should be more than enough clearance. Mine only has 1.5 inch clearance,
many have less.
Also, as long as your Jabiru is a newer model and not one of the first
generation you will have plenty of performance.
The earlier Jab 2200 did not have nearly as much power as the current models
and were not as viable.
I'll also post an old message from lister R Neilson regarding an X- tra with
a 2200 that he saw at a fly in.
Stay tuned,
Dennis Rowe Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70
> Hi Guys,
>
> This may not be a Kolb question per se, but you guys might know the
> answer.
> I am mounting a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Mark 111 extra with a Prince
> Aircraft 63" prop. (P/N 419.877,5557)
>
> The clearance at the tip of the prop away from the Fuselage body near the
> tail tube is 2.5 inches.
>
> At normal operating RPM's , what flex should I expect at the tips of the
> prop? Do I have enough clearance from the aircraft body?
>
> Also, is this a good engine/prop combo?
>
> Appreciate any input.
> Rgds
> FrankD
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Uncle John's Fly-In in Michigan |
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Uncle John's Fly-In in Michigan
We had a nice fly-in here in Michigan last week end. Granted not as nice
as you guys had at Homer's but a whole lot closer to me. Kolbs were well
represented. About half the planes were Kolbs. There were three
firestars one with a Hurth, one mkII with a 503, one MKIIIC with a VW
(mine), and one MKIIIX with a Jabaru.
I was fairly impressed with the Jabaru on the MKIIX. It was very smooth
and quiet (it had a very effective muffler). It also had a wood
Sensenich prop. The plane was loaded to gross weight or more but flew
well for a direct drive engine. Maybe having the right prop is the key.
Now it didn't perform like a 80 HP 912 or my redrive VW but it flew a
whole lot better than my old direct drive VW did.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
I don't know anything about your prop, but 2.5 inches on clearance from the boom
is actually considered a lot of clearance for a Kolb, that is about what I have
on my 912-S Xtra.
Some people take the clearance down to an inch or so, but I don't want any chance
of a strike. The downside to having more clearance like we do is a little
more pitch down with power, and more pitch up when you go to idle, but my plane
flys great, so I am happy with a over 2 inches of clearance more for those sometimes
rough startups.
Prop tips in general should not flex much, the centrifugal force of rotation keeps
most props straighter when running than when stopped. What kind of prop
is that ???
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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Those are AMAZING number John, I sure wish I had that wing on my plane ! Kolb
has made a good airplane quite a bit better, good for them on improving the design.
There is not much else out there with anywhere near that kind of slow
flight performance, that will also go fast. I'm sure that plane will impress
a lot of people and generate sales for Kolb.
RainX is an incredible product for you car window... Even in the heaviest thunderstorms
I dont need wipers, and in a cold climate, I wipe frost off the window
with a rag, no need for a scraper. The secret is to put RainX on like Wax,
rub it in real good on a dry cool window. If you just smear it on, you will
get poor results.
I would not try RainX on Lexan, there is alcohol in it that could attack the Lexan.
It is not for plastics. I use car wax on my Kolb Lexan, I first polish
it with a plastic polisher, then put wax on it. The wax makes quite a bit of
difference in its optical quality.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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