---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/28/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: Camping at Homer's (TK) 2. 05:22 AM - Re: FireFly Page -> Index (Thom Riddle) 3. 09:42 AM - Re: Cold One at MV (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 4. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Cold One at MV (Mike Welch) 5. 12:57 PM - MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: MKIIIx (robert bean) 7. 02:05 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 8. 03:37 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Russ Kinne) 9. 03:44 PM - Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (boyd) 10. 04:07 PM - Re: MKIIIx (herb) 11. 05:02 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 12. 05:10 PM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 13. 05:18 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Russ Kinne) 14. 05:40 PM - Rick Neilsen's Article (Bill Vincent) 15. 05:46 PM - Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Frankd) 16. 06:01 PM - Re: MKIIIx (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)) 17. 06:25 PM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Denny Rowe) 18. 06:26 PM - Fw: Uncle John's Fly-In in Michigan (Denny Rowe) 19. 07:50 PM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (JetPilot) 20. 08:00 PM - Re: MKIIIx (JetPilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:49 AM PST US From: TK Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Camping at Homer's Kolb group, Concerning camping for the Fathers Day Fly-in at Homer's. John H. and I have looked into it and it really wouldn't be convenient or practical for the Kolb's to have us camp there. Here are some alternatives to consider. Smoketown Airport in just east of Lancaster, PA and Steve Green camped at Smoketown two years ago on his trip up this way. There are a couple of places to eat near by and a bathroom that is open all the time. I spoke with Mel Glick, the manager of Smoketown and he said there would be no problem with your camping there. Also, there is my airstrip south of Smoketown Airport shown on the Washington sectional as Hideaway Airpark. Both are 37 miles from Homer's. I have had guys camping at my field numerous times and I think you would find it very quiet. No bathroom, but there is the woods and we usually have a big campfire! I could provide necessary picnic needs and transportation into town if desired. The other option is Shreveport North in York County which has it's annual Ultralight Fly-in that weekend., but it is 67 miles west of Homer's. Some of us had planned on camping the night before Homer's anyway and it would be great if you guys were to join us. We will probably fly over to Shreveport North Saturday after Homer's to see what is going on there and camp. There might be others closer to homer's, but I'm not familiar with any, Terry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:31 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Page -> Index Jack, OUTSTANDING! Your website is a most useful resource, now made even more useful with the index. Thanks! Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cold One at MV From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" Russ Kinne asked: << Dennis - Pls tell us what this alphabet soup means!! CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL >> Hi, Russ - All that "alphabet soup" is the header that my Internet Service Provider automatically attaches to my e-mail address. Because my Kolb List posts come from my work computer, and because I work in a Government office, I have no choice; the ISP server adds all that alphabet stuff as identification to my identity. I am a civilian contractor (CTR) working in an Air Force program office (USAF) which is under the Air Force Material Command (AFMC), part of the Missile Defense Agency (MDA), and working the Airborne Laser (AL) project. To me, it's fascinating to be involved on the two opposite extremes of aviation technology - the Airborne Laser, a highly-modified special-use 747 with all it's high-tech gizmo gagetry on one extreme, and our simple little Kolbs on the other. But I assure you, Kolbs are more fun! Dennis Kirby p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He is correct in saying that our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley was indeed originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys! So besides our enthusiasm for having Dave attend the event (with his Cessna full of cases of libation), the local Navajos also look forward to our May event, as Dave spends most of his flying time there giving rides to the Indian kids. That's probably the best positive PR we can get - Way to go agian, Dave! do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:06 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Cold One at MV Dennis, I'm a little troubled. Now that you've told us all on the Kolb group, wh at those letters stand for,does that mean you now have you kill us? Mike Welch Do not archive > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cold One at MV > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:39:58 -0600> From: Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> > - s.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>> > > > > Russ Kinne asked: << Dennis - Pls tell us what this alphabet soup> means!!> CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL >>> > Hi, Russ - Al l that "alphabet soup" is the header that my Internet> Service Provider aut omatically attaches to my e-mail address. Because> my Kolb List posts come from my work computer, and because I work in a> Government office, I have n o choice; the ISP server adds all that> alphabet stuff as identification to my identity. > > I am a civilian contractor (CTR) working in an Air Force program office> (USAF) which is under the Air Force Material Command (AFMC) , part of the> Missile Defense Agency (MDA), and working the Airborne Laser (AL)> project.> > To me, it's fascinating to be involved on the two opposi te extremes of> aviation technology - the Airborne Laser, a highly-modified special-use> 747 with all it's high-tech gizmo gagetry on one extreme, and our simple> little Kolbs on the other.> > But I assure you, Kolbs are more fun!> > Dennis Kirby> > p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He i s correct in saying> that our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monu ment Valley was> indeed originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys! So besi des our> enthusiasm for having Dave attend the event (with his Cessna full of> cases of libation), the local Navajos also look forward to our May> eve nt, as Dave spends most of his flying time there giving rides to the> India n kids. That's probably the best positive PR we can get - Way to> go agian, ========================> _ ===========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:33 PM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Kolb-List: MKIIIx Hi Gang: Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips. Initial results are: Stall: Clean - 36 mph 20 deg - 30 mph 45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo) All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to get better numbers in the morning. Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow. Take care, john h mkIII Labhart Field, KY ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:53 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx as Sgt Shultz said, "verrry interesting" -now for the VGs. heh heh BB do not archive On 28, Mar 2008, at 4:10 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote: > Hi Gang: > > Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a > short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips. > > Initial results are: > > Stall: > > Clean - 36 mph > > 20 deg - 30 mph > > 45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo) > > All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in > the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is > visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is > supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to > get better numbers in the morning. > > Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in > another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will > have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had > enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow. > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > Labhart Field, KY > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:09 PM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx Bob B: I knew that was coming! ;-) You know what my standard answer is for my mkIII. Well........going to be about the same for the new MKIIIx, "I really do not have a requirement for VGs." Again, this was a very short flight. I was restricted with ceiling and visibility. Hopefully, in the morning we can get some good test weather to get a better feel for the new airplane. I am glad I got to get as much time on it as I did without the droop tips. Gives me a better feel for what the droop tips are doing. Don't forget though, this airplane has 13 feet of straight wing plus the tips. It was a slow flying airplane before addition of the tips. john h mkIII Labhart Field, KY Sgt Shultz said, "verrry interesting" -now for the VGs. heh heh BB ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:34 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx John Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X? On Mar 28, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote: > Hi Gang: > > Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a > short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips. > > Initial results are: > > Stall: > > Clean - 36 mph > > 20 deg - 30 mph > > 45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo) > > All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in > the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is > visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is > supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to > get better numbers in the morning. > > Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in > another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will > have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had > enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow. > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > Labhart Field, KY > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:38 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He is correct in saying that our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley was indeed originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No no no no no!!!!!!! We went over this a year or so ago,,,, in Sept,2002 Erich Weaver and myself, along with some others, started a trip through southern Ut. The trip was cut short when our path was blocked with thunderstorms. In Jan 03 I received this message from Erich Weaver. """Boyd, if you are listening, Im thinking about another Monument Valley attempt. Maybe this spring? Meet me in Moab! regards, Erich Weaver erich_weaver(at)urscorp.com""" john H answered. """ > Boyd, if you are listening, Im thinking about another Monument Valley > attempt. Maybe this spring? Meet me in Moab! > > regards, > Erich Weaver Erich/Gents: Include me in on your Monument Valley Flight. Jim Heffner clued me in on his flight recently. He has been up there 6 times, but once with his Firestar. Let me see if I can find his web page. He has some nice shots of the Valley posted. I was there a couple Octobers ago, but on the ground. He says it is dramatically different (better) from the air in a Kolb. john h""" erich responded on the 14th """Wow! I was startled to see the instant and overwhelming interest in Monument Valley following my not-so-private message to Boyd Young. It was like the EF Hutton commercial. Boyd and I were part of a small group that flew from Beaver, Utah across Capitol Reef Natl Park and over to Moab, Utah last fall. We had intended to continue on to Monument Valley and other great sights, but he was committed to stay with the others who apparently could not afford to wait out a day of bad weather, and had to skedaddle back home.""" Now I will admit that others had flown MV before that time... but Erich Weaver's invitation was the start of the "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley,,,,, Who's name I think was penned by john H. Thank you Erich Boyd Young Kolb MKIII Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:31 PM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx I keep my lexan cleaned with pledge furniture polish... Wax... Takes the bugs off too.. Herb At 05:33 PM 3/28/2008, you wrote: >John >Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X? > > >On Mar 28, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote: >>Hi Gang: >> >>Weather continues to be a bit cruddy. However, was able to get a >>short test flight in this afternoon with the new droop tips. >> >>Initial results are: >> >>Stall: >> >>Clean - 36 mph >> >>20 deg - 30 mph >> >>45 - 26 mph (that is not a typo) >> >>All speeds are IAS. It was a short flight because it was flown in >>the rain. A problem with the long, flat, low angle X windshield is >>visibility in precipitation. Tomorrow morning the weather is >>supposed to be partly cloudy, wind 5-10 mph. I should be able to >>get better numbers in the morning. >> >>Ailerons feel good. I am going to test it with the cables moved in >>another half inch. Maybe with the droop tips the ailerons will >>have increased authority. Without them, I did not feel I had >>enough slow speed authority. This airplane will fly slow. >> >>Take care, >> >>john h >>mkIII >>Labhart Field, KY >> >> >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:14 PM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx Nope. Rain X and Lexan are not compatible, as I under it. I have not tried it, but others have with poor success. I use plexus on my aircraft. This X has plexus on it. john h mkIII Labhart Field, KY From: Russ Kinne Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:03 PM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley Erich > Weaver's invitation was the start of the "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb > Fly-In at Monument Valley,,,,, Who's name I think was penned by john H. > > Boyd Young Boyd: I agree. Sure am glad you and Erich let me come along. The name I selected for the flyin was to reflect the nature of it. No duties, just an enjoyable type flyin. It was also originated as a Kolb Flyin, however, we reluctantly, naw, just kidding, let other types of airplanes and people join us, even those that are ground bound. Who knows, one of these days I may show up on wheels. One of the primary reasons the folks that fly in are nice to the folks that drive in is wheels. Once we are on the ground, we are on our feet or the wheels of others. We all appreciate the fact that the folks with wheels have gone out of their way to support us. There is a shuttle van provided by Gouldings to haul us up and down the hill from the RV Park to the airstrip and the lodge/restaurant. All one has to do is ask the folks in the camp store or call the desk at the lodge to get a ride. It is a great flyin, one that I have had the honor and priviledge of attending since its inception in 2003. Has it really been that long? This year will be number 6. john h mkIII Labhart Field, KY ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:04 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx Thanx for the info! Does Plexus keep the rain drops running like RainX does? On Mar 28, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft) wrote: > Nope. > > Rain X and Lexan are not compatible, as I under it. I have not > tried it, but others have with poor success. > > I use plexus on my aircraft. > > This X has plexus on it. > > john h > mkIII > Labhart Field, KY > > > From: Russ Kinne > > Than x update. Just curious -- u using Rain-X? > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Rick Neilsen's Article Hi Gang Congratulations to Rick for his very informative article about affordable flying in the April, Sport Pilot Magazine; also a great plug for Kolb aircraft. I met Rick at Scott Trask's and also at Oshkosh, he is a very interesting and knowledgeable man. Bill Vincent FS II Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra From: "Frankd" Hi Guys, This may not be a Kolb question per se, but you guys might know the answer. I am mounting a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Mark 111 extra with a Prince Aircraft 63" prop. (P/N 419.877,5557) The clearance at the tip of the prop away from the Fuselage body near the tail tube is 2.5 inches. At normal operating RPM's , what flex should I expect at the tips of the prop? Do I have enough clearance from the aircraft body? Also, is this a good engine/prop combo? Appreciate any input. Rgds FrankD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173340#173340 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:13 PM PST US From: "Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft)" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIIIx I don't know. Never used RainX. jhauck From: Russ Kinne Thanx for the info! Does Plexus keep the rain drops running like RainX does? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:27 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra Frank, That should be more than enough clearance. Mine only has 1.5 inch clearance, many have less. Also, as long as your Jabiru is a newer model and not one of the first generation you will have plenty of performance. The earlier Jab 2200 did not have nearly as much power as the current models and were not as viable. I'll also post an old message from lister R Neilson regarding an X- tra with a 2200 that he saw at a fly in. Stay tuned, Dennis Rowe Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70 > Hi Guys, > > This may not be a Kolb question per se, but you guys might know the > answer. > I am mounting a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Mark 111 extra with a Prince > Aircraft 63" prop. (P/N 419.877,5557) > > The clearance at the tip of the prop away from the Fuselage body near the > tail tube is 2.5 inches. > > At normal operating RPM's , what flex should I expect at the tips of the > prop? Do I have enough clearance from the aircraft body? > > Also, is this a good engine/prop combo? > > Appreciate any input. > Rgds > FrankD > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:49 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Fw: Kolb-List: Uncle John's Fly-In in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Uncle John's Fly-In in Michigan We had a nice fly-in here in Michigan last week end. Granted not as nice as you guys had at Homer's but a whole lot closer to me. Kolbs were well represented. About half the planes were Kolbs. There were three firestars one with a Hurth, one mkII with a 503, one MKIIIC with a VW (mine), and one MKIIIX with a Jabaru. I was fairly impressed with the Jabaru on the MKIIX. It was very smooth and quiet (it had a very effective muffler). It also had a wood Sensenich prop. The plane was loaded to gross weight or more but flew well for a direct drive engine. Maybe having the right prop is the key. Now it didn't perform like a 80 HP 912 or my redrive VW but it flew a whole lot better than my old direct drive VW did. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- 8:23 AM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra From: "JetPilot" I don't know anything about your prop, but 2.5 inches on clearance from the boom is actually considered a lot of clearance for a Kolb, that is about what I have on my 912-S Xtra. Some people take the clearance down to an inch or so, but I don't want any chance of a strike. The downside to having more clearance like we do is a little more pitch down with power, and more pitch up when you go to idle, but my plane flys great, so I am happy with a over 2 inches of clearance more for those sometimes rough startups. Prop tips in general should not flex much, the centrifugal force of rotation keeps most props straighter when running than when stopped. What kind of prop is that ??? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173355#173355 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MKIIIx From: "JetPilot" Those are AMAZING number John, I sure wish I had that wing on my plane ! Kolb has made a good airplane quite a bit better, good for them on improving the design. There is not much else out there with anywhere near that kind of slow flight performance, that will also go fast. I'm sure that plane will impress a lot of people and generate sales for Kolb. RainX is an incredible product for you car window... Even in the heaviest thunderstorms I dont need wipers, and in a cold climate, I wipe frost off the window with a rag, no need for a scraper. The secret is to put RainX on like Wax, rub it in real good on a dry cool window. If you just smear it on, you will get poor results. I would not try RainX on Lexan, there is alcohol in it that could attack the Lexan. It is not for plastics. I use car wax on my Kolb Lexan, I first polish it with a plastic polisher, then put wax on it. The wax makes quite a bit of difference in its optical quality. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! 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