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1. 12:08 AM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (WillUribe@aol.com)
2. 04:12 AM - Lexan (william sullivan)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 06:15 AM - Prop flex (Eugene Zimmerman)
5. 09:52 AM - Re: Lexan (Vic Peters)
6. 10:55 AM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Frankd)
7. 11:04 AM - Please remove me from the the kolb list. (Rogerde5@aol.com)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (boyd)
9. 11:20 AM - memories at Monument Valley (boyd)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: Please remove me from the the kolb list. (planecrazzzy)
11. 12:46 PM - Re: Re: Please remove me from the the kolb list. (Bob Noyer)
12. 12:57 PM - Plexus (william sullivan)
13. 02:13 PM - Test message to Matt Draille (Mike Welch)
14. 02:49 PM - Re: Test message to Matt Draille (Matt Dralle)
15. 04:55 PM - Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! (Matt Dralle)
16. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
17. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Mike Welch)
18. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 Xtra (Mike Welch)
19. 06:28 PM - Naked FireStar (WillUribe@aol.com)
20. 06:45 PM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (WillUribe@aol.com)
21. 06:50 PM - Re: Naked FireStar (knowvne@aol.com)
22. 07:04 PM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (gary aman)
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| Subject: | Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley |
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Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!
We were the trail blazers on July 03, 2001
But don't take my word for it. Look it up in the list's archives.
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Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
p.s. - in reference to Dave Rains' last post: He is correct in saying that
our "Unorganized, Unofficial" Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley was indeed
originated by him and Will U. Thanks, guys!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No no no no no!!!!!!!
We went over this a year or so ago,,,, in Sept,2002 Erich Weaver and
myself, along with some others, started a trip through southern Ut. The
trip was cut short when our path was blocked with thunderstorms.
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Mike- You mentioned using a plastic polish on Lexan. Is that the same stuff used
to polish car headlight housings?
Also, what is Plexus?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
In a message dated 3/28/2008 10:51:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
Prop tips in general should not flex much, the centrifugal force of rotation
keeps most props straighter when running than when stopped. What kind of
prop is that ???
Mike
Mike, I am not sure where you got your info on prop flex. The tips of an
Ivo Prop flex forward in excess of an inch. Other props flex less. On a Kolb
with an upswept boom this tends to increase clearance, However, it can
dramatically decrease clearance to the back of the wing.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
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Here is a good in flight picture of my 72 inch IVO prop flex profile.
On Mar 29, 2008, at 8:30 AM, N27SB@aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 3/28/2008 10:51:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com
> writes:
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> Prop tips in general should not flex much, the centrifugal force of
> rotation keeps most props straighter when running than when
> stopped. What kind of prop is that ???
>
> Mike
> Mike, I am not sure where you got your info on prop flex. The tips
> of an Ivo Prop flex forward in excess of an inch. Other props flex
> less. On a Kolb with an upswept boom this tends to increase
> clearance, However, it can dramatically decrease clearance to the
> back of the wing.
>
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> Steve B
> Firefly 007/Floats
> do not archive
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Plexus- Thats what happens when you P on a Lexus
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
Thanks for the reply's everyone.
The Prince Aircraft prop came with the engine when I got it. It is listed in the
Aircraft Spruce Catalogue and has unique drooping tips built in that is designed
to enhance performance.. Its a wood core with glass finish and that is why
I did not know about flex forward under power.
Just to be clear, the clearance I measured is from the prop tip forward to the
fuselage cage. I have seen prop flex on Cessna's when in power run-up but it's
minimal. Since I don't have my wings attached yet, I did not even think about
clearance from the training edge..
It sounds like there is enough clearance even if the prop does flex some, from
your guys experience. I will continue as is.
On a related note, what is the ideal incidence of the engine thrust line in relation
to the wing bottom? Should it be the same incidence? I got an engine
mount from Titan aircraft to fit the Jabiru to the MkIII Extra and would like
to verify incidence before I bolt it all down finally.
Now at the stage of spraying silver on all the fabric so aiming to have it all
ready for flight THIS year... thats as close as I will aim for..
Good feedback.. Thanks
f
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| Subject: | Please remove me from the the kolb list. |
I would like to request my email address be removed from the Kolb list as I
no longer fly a Kolb aircraft..Thank you very much for the great information
of builders and flyers that the Kolb list has provided me over the years..
Thank you.
Roger
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| Subject: | Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley |
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!
We were the trail blazers on July 03, 2001 Right-click here to download
pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook prevented automatic download
of this picture from the Internet.
But don't take my word for it. Look it up in the list's archives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have looked in the archives... that is why I mentioned "Now I will admit
that others had flown MV before that time..."...
My thoughts were that as a "KOLB FLY IN" with an invitation to ALL, it
started in 2003.
C U in may, we will talk about it then.
Boyd
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| Subject: | memories at Monument Valley |
My biggest regret is that I haven't had a camera in my pocket at all
times... like our first sitting in the restraunt eating my first Navajo
taco and watching a kolb ra pilot do some exercises,, trying to taxi
across the tie down cable and standing his kolb on its nose! It has
brought a grin to my face just thinking about it.....he could admit to it if
he wants... john W do you remember who that was? LOL Or trying to fly
formation,,,, very loose formation,, and ending up all over the sky,,,, a
pilot with a broken mic cord, directing formation fling with morse code
clicks on the mike. Listening to the war stories, and hanger flying,,,
myself and a half dozen Navaho kids holding up the wing on a Cessna while
the owner changes a tire.... does anyone have a tube patching kit? I have
had wonderful times. I'll see everyone in may. I will not miss it
without good reason, even if I have to drive.
Yes john it has been that long.
Boyd.
Ps. It would be nice to hear your best memories.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is a great flyin, one that I have had the honor and priviledge of
attending since its inception in 2003. Has it really been that long? This
year will be number 6.
john h
mkIII
Labhart Field, KY
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| Subject: | Re: Please remove me from the the kolb list. |
OK,
I'll remove you.... But first , send me 20 bucks...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Please remove me from the the kolb list. |
Go to instructions on Kolb-List and remove yourself.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Oh. Just a word to describe the word "Budweiser" showing through the paint. Thanks,
Vic.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX
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| Subject: | Test message to Matt Draille |
Hi Matt,
This is test message to you, to see if the problem still exists.
I think what happened is I recently converted to "Hotmail Live", and for some
reason it doesn't
send emails out correctly to the Matronics system.
By reverting back to the "Hotmail Classic", I think things should be okay.
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| Subject: | Re: Test message to Matt Draille |
At 02:10 PM 3/29/2008 Saturday, you wrote:
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>Hi Matt,
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> This is test message to you, to see if the problem still exists.
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> I think what happened is I recently converted to "Hotmail Live", and for some
reason it doesn't
>send emails out correctly to the Matronics system.
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> By reverting back to the "Hotmail Classic", I think things should be okay.
>
>Mike Welch
Hey Mike,
This message looks alright. Next try a small enclosure, to make sure that gets
handled correctly.
Thanks for you help,
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
I understand that Prince P-Tip Propeller is a good match for your
application However I think you are going to need more of an extension on your
prop
to give you more room between the back of your Fuselage Trailing edge of wings
and your prop, some of the other guys on this list was explaining they had
less clearance than what you have but they was talking about clearance
between the prop tip and the Boom tube not the back of there Fuselage Just trying
to verify this info correctly for you
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 3/29/2008 12:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran
kd@foundrynet.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frankd" <frankd@foundrynet.com>
Thanks for the reply's everyone.
The Prince Aircraft prop came with the engine when I got it. It is listed
in the Aircraft Spruce Catalogue and has unique drooping tips built in that is
designed to enhance performance.. Its a wood core with glass finish and that
is why I did not know about flex forward under power.
Just to be clear, the clearance I measured is from the prop tip forward to
the fuselage cage. I have seen prop flex on Cessna's when in power run-up but
it's minimal. Since I don't have my wings attached yet, I did not even
think about clearance from the training edge..
It sounds like there is enough clearance even if the prop does flex some,
from your guys experience. I will continue as is.
On a related note, what is the ideal incidence of the engine thrust line in
relation to the wing bottom? Should it be the same incidence? I got an
engine mount from Titan aircraft to fit the Jabiru to the MkIII Extra and would
like to verify incidence before I bolt it all down finally.
Now at the stage of spraying silver on all the fabric so aiming to have it
all ready for flight THIS year... thats as close as I will aim for..
Good feedback.. Thanks
f
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
>
> Just to be clear, the clearance I measured is from the prop tip forward to the
fuselage cage. I have seen prop>flex on Cessna's when in power run-up but it's
minimal. Since I don't have my wings attached yet, I did not even>think about
clearance from the training edge..
>Frank
Frank,
I don't think everyone understood your reference correctly, regarding the prop
clearance. I, for one, thought you were referring to the distance from the
blade tip, to the boom tube. That is the usual measurement when people
talk about prop clearance.
If you are talking about only 2 1/2" clearance from the blades to the back of
the fuselage, then, NO, I do not think you have enough clearance. Although I
am very not familiar with Prince "P tip" props, and how much they flex, I think
for air cavitations reasons alone, you'd want to get a prop extension.
I can imagine a scenario where you may pull up into a powered climb, and flex
that prop just enough to contact the back of the fuselage. It seems entirely
possible to me. It may not be likely, but I think it "possible". The catastrophic
results would not seem to be worth the chance, I would think.
Another thing to consider is; no matter what testing and observations you do
on the ground, you never can fully tell how the flexing will act in the air, under
a climbing load.
I believe the absolute minimum distance you need between the back of the fuselage
and the front of the prop blades is at least 4", and 6" would be even better
to aim for.
This is definitely a subject you want to investigate, and have a proper remedy
to. I'd highly recommend calling the Prince Prop company and asking to speak
to their man'in'charge, and see what he says.
Doesn't a prop extension seem like a good idea, in this case, knowledgable Kolb
guys?
Mike Welch
MkIII
PS. The prop flex on my Cessna 172 is probably a 3/4"...if it's that much. That's
because it is solid aluminum alloy. A composite prop will flex many times
what a solid aluminum one will, and they are made to do just that, namely flex.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 Xtra |
Ellery,
Precisely my point. I think most people misunderstood his clearance measurement,
AND he should get a prop extension for his Jabiru motor.
Mike Welch
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From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra
I understand that Prince P-Tip Propeller is a good match for your application
However I think you are going to need more of an extension on your prop to give
you more room between the back of your Fuselage Trailing edge of wings and
your prop, some of the other guys on this list was explaining they had less clearance
than what you have but they was talking about clearance between the
prop tip and the Boom tube not the back of there Fuselage Just trying to verify
this info correctly for you
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 3/29/2008 12:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankd@foundrynet.com
writes:
Thanks for the reply's everyone.
The Prince Aircraft prop came with the engine when I got it. It is listed in the
Aircraft Spruce Catalogue and has unique drooping tips built in that is designed
to enhance performance.. Its a wood core with glass finish and that is why
I did not know about flex forward under power.
Just to be clear, the clearance I measured is from the prop tip forward to the
fuselage cage. I have seen prop flex on Cessna's when in power run-up but it's
minimal. Since I don't have my wings attached yet, I did not even think about
clearance from the training edge..
It sounds like there is enough clearance even if the prop does flex some, from
your guys experience. I will continue as is.
On a related note, what is the ideal incidence of the engine thrust line in relation
to the wing bottom? Should it be the same incidence? I got an engine
mount from Titan aircraft to fit the Jabiru to the MkIII Extra and would like
to verify incidence before I bolt it all down finally.
Now at the stage of spraying silver on all the fabric so aiming to have it all
ready for flight THIS year... thats as close as I will aim for..
Good feedback.. Thanks
f
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| Subject: | Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley |
Sooooo what are you saying, is it by invitation only?
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of boyd
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!
We were the trail blazers on July 03, 2001
But don't take my word for it. Look it up in the list's archives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have looked in the archives.. that is why I mentioned
=9CNow I will
admit that others had flown MV before that time...=9D
.
My thoughts were that as a =9CKOLB FLY IN=9D with an invitation
to ALL, it
started in 2003.
C U in may, we will talk about it then.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Naked FireStar |
Damn=C2-
THAT UV is strong... hahaha 8-)
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Sent: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 9:25 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Naked FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra |
Frank,
my mk-3C W2200 jabiru has more clearance than that.You may want to contact
Kolb as they had a mount for Jabiru at one time .I think wing/flap clearance will
be more of a concern than rear of fuselage.As best I can recall I have almost
a foot of fuselage clearance.High rpm props make a lot of noise on a pusher,and
my MK-3 is no exception.The 2200 is a sweet running engine.
G.Aman,MK-3C Jabiru 2200,298 hrs.
----- Original Message ----
From: Frankd <frankd@foundrynet.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:43:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra
Hi Guys,
This may not be a Kolb question per se, but you guys might know the answer.
I am mounting a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Mark 111 extra with a Prince Aircraft 63"
prop. (P/N 419.877,5557)
The clearance at the tip of the prop away from the Fuselage body near the tail
tube is 2.5 inches.
At normal operating RPM's , what flex should I expect at the tips of the prop?
Do I have enough clearance from the aircraft body?
Also, is this a good engine/prop combo?
Appreciate any input.
Rgds
FrankD
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