---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/30/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:48 AM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (John Codd) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (pj.ladd) 3. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (Denny Rowe) 4. 08:23 AM - Gas, and prop clearance (william sullivan) 5. 08:26 AM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (JetPilot) 6. 08:31 AM - Re: Naked FireStar (Ralph B) 7. 08:37 AM - Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (JetPilot) 8. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra (boyd) 9. 09:32 AM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (boyd) 10. 09:47 AM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (HShack@aol.com) 11. 09:58 AM - Re: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley (boyd) 12. 10:29 AM - Re: Gas, and prop clearance (Jack B. Hart) 13. 10:49 AM - Re: Gas, and prop clearance (JetPilot) 14. 12:04 PM - The weather's lousy again (possums) 15. 01:52 PM - Paper indicators (william sullivan) 16. 03:43 PM - toe out on the main gear (Mike Welch) 17. 04:29 PM - Re: toe out on the main gear (planecrazzzy) 18. 05:19 PM - Re: Gas, and prop clearance (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 19. 05:19 PM - Re: toe out on the main gear (Russ Kinne) 20. 05:20 PM - Re: Gas, and prop clearance (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 21. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: toe out on the main gear (Mike Welch) 22. 05:44 PM - Re: toe out on the main gear (Mike Welch) 23. 05:50 PM - Re: toe out on the main gear (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 24. 08:03 PM - Re: The weather's lousy again (Wade Lawicki) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:08 AM PST US From: "John Codd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra Hi Frank, here in the UK we all run Jabiru 2200's on our Mk3 Xtras, your main clearance problem will be propellor to the flaps/torque tubes on the wing, New Kolb supplied our engine mounts for the Jabiru equipped Xtras, and you will also need the 2 1/2" prop shaft extension supplied by Jabiru. I also use the Prince P tip prop, a 62" x 41", these props are ideally suited to the Jab in the Xtra, but don't forget that they have anhedral and when loaded up in the climb they twist and reduce pitch to get a better climb, I believe this moves the tips forward which would bring the tips nearer to the flap/aileron torque tubes than a simple static measurement would indicate, I would suggest a phone call to Donny at Prince Propellors would be adviseable to see what movement forward (if any) there is on this prop in the climb, Rgds, John Codd, Mk111 Xtra, Jabiru 2200. ----- Original Message ----- From: gary aman To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra Frank, my mk-3C W2200 jabiru has more clearance than that.You may want to contact Kolb as they had a mount for Jabiru at one time .I think wing/flap clearance will be more of a concern than rear of fuselage.As best I can recall I have almost a foot of fuselage clearance.High rpm props make a lot of noise on a pusher,and my MK-3 is no exception.The 2200 is a sweet running engine. G.Aman,MK-3C Jabiru 2200,298 hrs. ----- Original Message ---- From: Frankd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:43:40 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra Hi Guys, This may not be a Kolb question per se, but you guys might know the answer. I am mounting a Jabiru 2200 on a Kolb Mark 111 extra with a Prince Aircraft 63" prop. (P/N 419.877,5557) The clearance at the tip of the prop away from the Fuselage body near the tail tube is 2.5 inches. At normal operating RPM's , what flex should I expect at the tips of the prop? Do I have enough clearance from the aircraft body? Also, is this a good engine/prop combo? Appreciate any input. Rgds FrankD Read this topic online - The Kolb-List Email Forum Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to the many List utilities such as List Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, Photoshare, and much much --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS Same great content also available via the Web --> - List Contribution Web Site Thank you for your generous -Matt Dralle, List --> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:14 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley To whoever it was wondering if they should go to MV may I say YES. I made it last year via a drive from San Diego, Palm Springs, Las Vegas, Bryce, Lake Mead. Monument Valley itself is spectacular, the camping ground is convenient, the store keeps good supplies and the restaurant will keep you full of tacos. The talk around the camp ground in the evening alone was worth the drive. I only got one flight in and that by the courtesy of the Cessna driver whose name escapes me at the moment. Thanks again to him. He had been working all day flying Navaho kids around the area, thus ensuring the continued welcome of the Kolbers to the Navaho reservation. He was pretty bushed but cheerfully added Wendy and I to his flight list. It was spectacular and I would have loved to done it in a Kolb, but there you go. If you can, fly in. If you can`t drive. Its worth it. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:22 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra Thanks Ellery, That is correct, I was refering to boom clearance, I have a lot more than that to the trailing edge. Denny rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: ElleryWeld@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra I understand that Prince P-Tip Propeller is a good match for your application However I think you are going to need more of an extension on your prop to give you more room between the back of your Fuselage Trailing edge of wings and your prop, some of the other guys on this list was explaining they had less clearance than what you have but they was talking about clearance between the prop tip and the Boom tube not the back of there Fuselage Just trying to verify this info correctly for you Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 3/29/2008 12:55:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, frankd@foundrynet.com writes: Thanks for the reply's everyone. The Prince Aircraft prop came with the engine when I got it. It is listed in the Aircraft Spruce Catalogue and has unique drooping tips built in that is designed to enhance performance.. Its a wood core with glass finish and that is why I did not know about flex forward under power. Just to be clear, the clearance I measured is from the prop tip forward to the fuselage cage. I have seen prop flex on Cessna's when in power run-up but it's minimal. Since I don't have my wings attached yet, I did not even think about clearance from the training edge.. It sounds like there is enough clearance even if the prop does flex some, from your guys experience. I will continue as is. On a related note, what is the ideal incidence of the engine thrust line in relation to the wing bottom? Should it be the same incidence? I got an engine mount from Titan aircraft to fit the Jabiru to the MkIII Extra and would like to verify incidence before I bolt it all down finally. Now at the stage of spraying silver on all the fabric so aiming to have it all ready for flight THIS year... thats as close as I will aim for.. Good feedback.. Thanks f Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173455#173455 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 3/28/2008 10:58 AM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:51 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Gas, and prop clearance Ellery- Do you run gas with alcohol in the Rotax 447? There was a lot of discussion on the List, but I never got a good conclusion out of it. Does the mogas sold at airports contain alcohol? Mine came from Long Island, N.Y., and he said just use auto high test. I don't know about the alcohol down there, but I think they have it. I don't know what you have in Maine. I have been listening to the comments on prop clearance, so I checked my aileron tube to prop by forcibly bending the prop toward the tube. the closest I got was about 3/4". Would you suggest a piece of cardboard taped to the tube and a full power run up? Bill Sullivan FS/KX-447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra From: "JetPilot" Frank, It does seem that you are talking about prop clearance from the prop to the Fuselage structure forward of it, not clearance to the boom. If that is the case, 2 1/2 inches is not enough. Even though the prop blades to do not bend much in flight ( Someone quoted 1 inch ) which sounds reasonable.. The engine is mounted on Rubber mounts, and it is possible for the engine to twist, and move around a bit in its mounts. This small but normal movement of the engine will translate to a much larger movement at the prop tips. Combine the bit of prop twist you get forward, with the engine movement, and its very possible that the prop could strike the structure that is only 2 1/2 inches forward. I have a 4 inch spacer between my Rotax 912-s and prop. If the prop is to close to the wing / fuse, you will get more noise, more beating on the fabric from the prop. If the prop does hit something forward of it, its a pretty good bet that it will come apart and cause not only an engine out, but could rip the engine from its mounts, making the aircraft uncontrollable. This is a pretty serious safety item, which is why I used over 2 inches from my boom, and a 4 inch spacer to give me lots of room between the prop and the wings. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173658#173658 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Naked FireStar From: "Ralph B" knowvne(at)aol.com wrote: > Damn THAT UV is strong... hahaha 8-) Now I know why I live up here in the north country [Laughing] do not archive Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173660#173660 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra From: "JetPilot" [quote="Steve Boetto"] Prop flex forward in excess of an inch. Other props flex less. On a Kolb with an upswept boom this tends to increase clearance, However, it can dramatically decrease clearance to the back of the wing. [quote] Steve Given a 70 inch prop, and that I have more than 6 inches of clearance between my prop and wings, I consider 1 inch of flex to be minimal :) I think the engine twisting in is rubber mounts has more potential to change clearances than flexing of the prop. The two strokes start pretty smooth, but the 912's have a lot of travel in the rubber mounts, and can move around quite a bit on start. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173662#173662 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:39 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Prop clearence on Kolb Mark 111 extra Doesn't a prop extension seem like a good idea, in this case, knowledgable Kolb guys? Mike Welch MkIII >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YES a prop extension helped a bit with performance (3mh) , less noise, and less worry. Boyd MkIII c 912ul 3 inch ext, on warp prop. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:14 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley Sooooo what are you saying, is it by invitation only? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YES,,, it was and still remains an open invitation to All. read my words from my last post. quote My thoughts were that as a "KOLB FLY IN" with an invitation to ALL, Un quote. And It was not limited to ALL KOLBS,,,, All,,,,,,,, everyone,,,,,, you can come be car, truck, motorcycle, buss, BAMH, planes( of all sorts), trains, peddel bike, skateboard, foot, ford, chevy, VW, Toyota, datsun, Volvo, keds, converse, nike, flip flops,,,, etc, golly if you had come barefoot we would have welcomed you. I hope you are having as much fun with this as I am,,,,, I am certainly not trying to create a problem here. And hope you can hear the laughter in my voice by the words I have chosen... Do not archive, Boyd Ps what is a Datsun,,, and where did that come from? Pps thanks for the photos. And if dave gets the skeeter ready, are you flying in the 175? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:54 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley So, what are the dates? Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 3/30/2008 12:32:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, by0ung@brigham.net writes: My thoughts were that as a =9CKOLB FLY IN=9D with an invitation to ALL **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aol hom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:28 AM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Fly-In at Monument Valley So, what are the dates? Howard Shackleford FS II SC In a message dated 3/30/2008 12:32:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, by0ung@brigham.net writes: My thoughts were that as a "KOLB FLY IN" with an invitation to ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May 15th through 18th 2008... seems to me that it has been the first weekend after mothers day in the US. I know mothers day in UK is different. Boyd ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:42 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas, and prop clearance From: william sullivan ....................... I have been listening to the comments on prop clearance, so I checked my aileron tube to prop by forcibly bending the prop toward the tube. the closest I got was about 3/4". Would you suggest a piece of cardboard taped to the tube and a full power run up? ....................... Bill, Cardboard is a little harsh. You might want to try: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly83.html Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gas, and prop clearance From: "JetPilot" Testing is a good idea, although I would not just do a full power run up, I would also do the test in flight. You are likely to get more movement in Taxi and flight then just on a full power run up. Gyroscopic forces, Turbulence, etc. can all move the engine and prop more than just a run up. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173698#173698 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:36 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: The weather's lousy again But it was nice yesterday - went to the race track. You might want to turn the volume down. http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2287232/7182318 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:48 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Paper indicators Thanks, Jack. I knew I'd seen them somewhere. do not archive Bill Sullivan FS/KX Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:48 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: toe out on the main gear Kolbers, I am resetting the "toe out" on my new Handy Dandy Steel Gear Legs. Checking my old MkIII instruction book states to align them straight inline with the fuselage centerline, or slightly toe out. "Slightly toe out" seems a lot vague to me. Does anyone have actual toe setting details, or the best recommended "toe out setting (in degrees), for a tail dragger, in general? Here is what I presently have: With an 8 foot straight edge, lined up parallel with the tire, I have about 1.75 inches toe out, compared to straight inline with the centerline. My calculations are.....in 8 feet my "toe out" measures 1.75" my 8 foot straightedge = 96 inches (the radius) circumference = 3.14 x diameter circumference = 3.14 x 96 x 2 circumference = 602.88" (of an 8' radius circle) A degree = 1/360 of a circle, or in my case; 602.88" / 360 degrees = 1.68 inches/degree So, it would appear I have very close to 1 degree toe out, possibly 1.1 degree toe out. Does this sound about right? Any opinions??? Mike Welch MkIII on steel gear legs --------------------------------- Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: toe out on the main gear From: "planecrazzzy" I know NOTHING about this... But I've always known "Toe - in "..... Just like putting a bolt "down or back".... Seems like if the axle nut should come off ... "Toe - out" would make the wheel fly off.... "toe - in" would force it tighter on the axle.... My Firestar has "Toe-in"... So does the trailer I made to haul it... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN... ( Jaz "ALSO" has Toe-in ) .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173761#173761 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:49 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas, and prop clearance I dont run alcohol in my gas I save that for after dark when I am done flying (Crown Royal) im not sure is there is any in the fuel in maine I just always run Super from my Local store and sometimes AVGas from an airport if they didn't have and Mogas avaliable there DO YOU HAVE A BIG 2 3/4" thick aluminum space between your prop shaft and your prop? Are you running a IVO Prop? tie the tail down good and do a runup on the engine and you should be able to see how close the prop is running to your aileron Torq Tubes from the side view way out by the wing tip Be careful Ellery In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:24:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, williamtsullivan@att.net writes: Ellery- Do you run gas with alcohol in the Rotax 447? There was a lot of discussion on the List, but I never got a good conclusion out of it. Does the mogas sold at airports contain alcohol? Mine came from Long Island, N.Y., and he said just use auto high test. I don't know about the alcohol down there, but I think they have it. I don't know what you have in Maine. I have been listening to the comments on prop clearance, so I checked my aileron tube to prop by forcibly bending the prop toward the tube. the closest I got was about 3/4". Would you suggest a piece of cardboard taped to the tube and a full power run up? Bill Sullivan FS/KX-447 Windsor Locks, Ct. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:50 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: toe out on the main gear Mike FWIW 1.75" sounds like a lot! On Mar 30, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Mike Welch wrote: > Kolbers, > > I am resetting the "toe out" on my new Handy Dandy Steel Gear > Legs. Checking my > old MkIII instruction book states to align them straight inline > with the fuselage centerline, or slightly toe out. > > "Slightly toe out" seems a lot vague to me. Does anyone have > actual toe setting details, or the best recommended "toe out > setting (in degrees), for a tail dragger, in general? > > Here is what I presently have: > > With an 8 foot straight edge, lined up parallel with the tire, I > have about 1.75 inches toe out, compared to straight inline with > the centerline. > > My calculations are.....in 8 feet my "toe out" measures 1.75" > my 8 foot straightedge = 96 > inches (the radius) > circumference = 3.14 x diameter > circumference = 3.14 x 96 x 2 > circumference = 602.88" (of an > 8' radius circle) > > A degree = 1/360 of a circle, or in my case; 602.88" / 360 > degrees = 1.68 inches/degree > > So, it would appear I have very close to 1 degree toe out, > possibly 1.1 degree toe out. > > Does this sound about right? Any opinions??? > > Mike Welch > MkIII on steel gear legs > > ">No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:45 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas, and prop clearance oops sorry I forgot the Do Not Archive on that last message Ellery Do not archive In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:24:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, williamtsullivan@att.net writes: Ellery- Do you run gas with alcohol in the Rotax 447? There was a lot of discussion on the List, but I never got a good conclusion out of it. Does the mogas sold at airports contain alcohol? Mine came from Long Island, N.Y., and he said just use auto high test. I don't know about the alcohol down there, but I think they have it. I don't know what you have in Maine. I have been listening to the comments on prop clearance, so I checked my aileron tube to prop by forcibly bending the prop toward the tube. the closest I got was about 3/4". Would you suggest a piece of cardboard taped to the tube and a full power run up? Bill Sullivan FS/KX-447 Windsor Locks, Ct. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:09 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: toe out on the main gear > My Firestar has "Toe-in"... So does the trailer I made to haul it... > > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN... ( Jaz "ALSO" has Toe-in ) > Do Not Archive Mike & "Jaz", You Firestar is supposed to have a tiny bit of "toe out", not "toe in". Taildragger aircraft are set up with a slight amount of toe out, because if you land on only one wheel (crosswind landing, or whatever), it will have the tendency to drive away from the centerline, plopping you down onto the other wheel, which is what you want. A "toe in" wheel would want to drive toward the raised wheel, worsening the one-wheel condition. I thought Jaz was afflicted with "toe jam", not "toe in". Might be my error, though. (PS, don't tell him I said so. I understand he is sensitive about these matters). Mike Welch MkIII, no toe jam football here! Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:10 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: toe out on the main gear >Mike >FWIW 1.75" sounds like a lot! >Russ Russ, Are you sure you have an accurate picture of my situation? Picture this. There is a string perfectly parallel to the centerline of the airplane, but 44" away from the centerline. This parallel string runs just barely along side of the outside edge of the wheel (either one). Now, if you place an 8 foot long straight-edge just touching that string, next to the wheel. At the far end of the straight-edge, set it to 1.75" away from the string. This creates a 1 degree angle, "toe out". I know it sounds as though it may be excessive, but without the straight-edge, you almost can't see that the wheel isn't parallel with the string. 1 degree is really hard to tell that is has any "toe out". You need the straight-edge to even know. Mike Welch _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:00 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: toe out on the main gear what you have there will work just fine, you dont want any toe in on a tail dragger as it will make things very interesting for others to watch at fast speeds with the mains still on the Pavement personally I like mine Very straight the tires wear more even Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 3/30/2008 5:44:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, airspeedx3@yahoo.com writes: Kolbers, I am resetting the "toe out" on my new Handy Dandy Steel Gear Legs. Checking my old MkIII instruction book states to align them straight inline with the fuselage centerline, or slightly toe out. "Slightly toe out" seems a lot vague to me. Does anyone have actual toe setting details, or the best recommended "toe out setting (in degrees), for a tail dragger, in general? Here is what I presently have: With an 8 foot straight edge, lined up parallel with the tire, I have about 1.75 inches toe out, compared to straight inline with the centerline. My calculations are.....in 8 feet my "toe out" measures 1.75" my 8 foot straightedge = 96 inches (the radius) circumference = 3.14 x diameter circumference = 3.14 x 96 x 2 circumference = 602.88" (of an 8' radius circle) A degree = 1/360 of a circle, or in my case; 602.88" / 360 degrees = 1.68 inches/degree So, it would appear I have very close to 1 degree toe out, possibly 1.1 degree toe out. Does this sound about right? Any opinions??? Mike Welch MkIII on steel gear legs ">No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: The weather's lousy again From: "Wade Lawicki" Possum, Ive never heard the play by play of my life like that before!!! But now I have 4 planes and a big SMILE : ) Fly Safe, Wade -------- Fly Safe! Wade Nashville Tn. 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