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1. 01:57 AM - Re: FireFly for sale (pj.ladd)
2. 02:51 AM - Re: Wheel pants mounting method (planecrazzzy)
3. 09:12 AM - Re: FireFly for sale (knowvne@aol.com)
4. 09:20 AM - EAB to ELSA (William P. Rice)
5. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Wheel pants mounting method (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
6. 12:37 PM - Re: Wheel pants mounting method (planecrazzzy)
7. 01:13 PM - Re: Wheel pants mounting method (planecrazzzy)
8. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Wheel pants mounting method (robert bean)
9. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Wheel pants mounting method (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
10. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Wheel pants mounting method (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 03:09 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan)
12. 03:19 PM - First flight of the year. (Jack B. Hart)
13. 05:25 PM - Re: FireFly for sale (TK)
14. 06:43 PM - No offense!! "None taken!" (Mike Welch)
15. 07:54 PM - almost flying (robert bean)
16. 08:03 PM - wheel pants (william sullivan)
17. 08:16 PM - Re: EAB to ELSA (cristalclear13)
18. 09:38 PM - Re: Spark Plugs (R. Hankins)
19. 10:26 PM - Re: wheel pants (Mike Welch)
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly for sale |
Operation soon, prognosis poor.>>
Sorry to hear this Bob. Don`t give up the ship. I have a couple of
friends who were supposed to be ready to shuffle off this mortal coil
ten years ago. They are still here and both look fit as fleas.
Fingers crossed
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
That's good to hear,
Sometimes it can be a pain in the butt if you get too many
things that need to be re-done...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN, warming up to rain....
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly for sale |
Pat=C2-
Crossed finger only create calluses=C2-& arthritis. HAHAHAHA =C2-8-)
Bob your on our prayer list...
Mark
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From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 4:54 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly for sale
=C2-Operation soon,=C2- prognosis
poor.>>
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Sorry to hear this Bob. Don`t give up the ship. I
have a couple of friends who were supposed to be ready to shuffle off this
mortal coil ten years ago. They are still here and both look fit as
fleas.
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Fingers crossed
=C2-
Pat
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Bob: Is there any process to convert a EAB to the ELSA in order for
the owner/pilot can take the 16 hour course and be able to inspect is
own plane?? Thanks fpr your input. Bill Rice
To: Kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: FAA advice
I cobbed this off FLY-UL :
This message was posted to another group (Sport_aircraft)
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Re: ex-planes?
OK, folks, I'm new to the group and have been "lurking" in the
background reading this (sometimes painful) thread on certificating
existing or new light-sport aircraft. Now I think it's time to jump in
and clarify some of the confusion.
I am an FAA DAR who certificates light-sport and amateur-built
aircraft. I also provide FAA-accepted 16-hour ELSA repairman courses--
more that 40 courses all over the eastern half of the U.S. I've also
been building experimental airplanes for 40 years.
So, I deal with these questions every day. Here are the facts.
There are only five conceivable ways to certificate a light-sport
aircraft: 1) standard category, 2) special light-sport aircraft
(SLSA), 3) experimental light-sport aircraft (ELSA), 4) experimental
amateur-built (EAB) aircraft, and 5) experimental exhibition aircraft.
Although these are all conceivable ways, some of them are not
practical. Let's talk about each one.
STANDARD CATEGORY
These are the type certificated Cessnas, Pipers, Beech's, etc. Nobody
is going to certify a light-sport aircraft in standard category
because
it is a multi-million-dollar process to do so and would result in an
aircraft that nobody could afford. 'Nuff said.
SPECIAL LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT (SLSA)
These are the 70-odd ready-to-fly new aircraft designs that have come
on the scene in the last 3 years. Although not the multi-million-
dollar process that would be required for type certification, SLSA
manufacturers must create aircraft designs and implement inhouse
procedures to meet ASTM light-sport aircraft standards. With each such
aircraft manufactured, they must certify that they have met all
applicable standards.
EXPERIMENTAL LIGHT SPORT (ELSA)
In the words of FAR 21.191(i), there are three kinds of ELSAs:
1. Existing "ultralight-like vehicles" certificated prior to January
31, 2008 per 21.191(i)(1). Note that the EAA and ASC have gotten
exemptions to allow the certification deadline to be extended for
aircraft that were REGISTERED before the deadline. That means that if
your existing ultralight was not FAA-registered before the deadline,
it
can NEVER be certificated according to this paragraph. It also means
that manufacturers of ultralights are essentially out of business
unless they want to get their design certificated as SLSA.
2. ELSAs built from a SLSA kit per 21.191(i)(2). The manufacturer
must have gotten SLSA certification on the aircraft prior to offering
it in kit form. The kit does not have to meet the 51% rule, but the
manufacturer must certify that the kit meets the ASTM standards and
the
builder must certify that he has completed the kit EXACTLY as the
manufacturer specifies. There is no registration or certification
deadline on this type of ELSA.
3. ELSAs that were converted from SLSA per 21.191(i)(3). Let's say
a guy buys an SLSA, but wants to do his own annual condition
inspection
after attending a 16-hour ELSA repairman course (such as the ones I
offer). He can ask the FAA to change his certification from SLSA to
ELSA. There is no deadline on making such a conversion.
EXPERIMENTAL AMATEUR-BUILT (EAB)
In the words of FAR 21.191(g), to qualify for certification as an EAB,
the major portion must have been "fabricated and assembled by persons
who undertook the construction project solely for their own education
or recreation" (note the word "fabricated" in addition to the
word "assembled).
In the olden days when I was a pup, before there were EAB kits, we
simply bought plans and materials, built the entire aircraft, and
documented the construction process in a builder's log. Also, in those
days, an FAA inspector (there were no DARs) had to perform an interim
inspection of any portion of the aircraft that would be "closed out"
and would not be visible at the final inspection. Because of that,
there was generally no question that the "major portion" requirement
was met, even in the case where one individual began the construction
and then sold the project to another individual.
However, over the ensuing 20-30 years, kits began to be available.
First, they were simply raw material kits, but they gradually advanced
into having more and more of the aircraft fabrication completed by the
kit manufacturer. So, to assure that the "major portion" requirement
was being met, the FAA began evaluating kits and approving them as
meeting the so-called "51% rule." Therefore, if I bought an approved
51% kit, finished it myself and maintained a construction log, FAA
inspectors (and DARs, which had come on the scene by then) would
accept
it as meeting the "major portion" requirement. This held true even if
I bought such a kit from someone else who had done some of the
fabrication and assembly work, as long as that person was able to
provide me with the original bill of sale for the kit and a
construction log for his efforts.
Of course, then people started abusing the system, by getting other
people to finish the kits for them. That situation has gotten so bad
that the FAA is now revamping their entire system for evaluating kits
and evaluating EABs submitted for certification. Some of the current
quick-build kits may be disqualified.
So, how does that affect the ability to certificate an existing
ultralight as an EAB? I hear guys who have missed the ELSA
registration deadline say, "I'll just take my ultralight apart and
reassemble it, take a few pictures, create a construction log, and get
it certificated as EAB." Unfortunately, that is not legal. First,
most ultralights do not meet the "major portion" requirement--either
they were purchased ready to fly or as a kit that was not evaluated by
the FAA. Second, FAR 191(g) requires that the major portion be
FABRICATED and assembled by the applicant-- just reassembling it would
not qualify.
I'm not saying that no ultralight is ever going to be certificated as
an EAB, because DARs and FAA inspectors vary in strictness by which
they interpret the requirements. I know if I tried to vary from the
requirements, I would be in trouble with my FAA supervisor!
EXPERIMENTAL EXHIBITION AIRCRAFT
This certification category is for aircraft that are intended to be
used only for "exhibition" purposes, such as performing in air shows,
performing in aerobatic competitions, competing in air races, display
a
certain kinds of aviation events, etc.
When certificating an aircraft as experimental exhibition, the FAA
issues "operating limitations" that severely limit where and when the
aircraft can be flown. Generally that means the aircraft may be flown
only 1) while performing or competing at an aviation event, 2) to
travel to and from such an event, and 3) to practice for such an
event.
Experimental exhibition is "the bottom of the barrel"--the least
desirable way to certificate an aircraft because of the restrictions
it
imposes. Do people sometimes ignore those restrictions?--sure, but if
they are caught, they are in trouble.
CONCLUSIONS
1. If you have missed the January 31, 2008 ELSA registration deadline,
a. You MIGHT be able to get it certificated as an EAB, but it is
not likely.
b. You can probably get it certificated as experimental exhibition,
but that would be very restrictive as to where and when you could fly.
c. Otherwise, you have an expensive lawn ornament on your hands.
Thus, if you are tempted to buy an existing ultralight off eBay or
somewhere else, it is critical to determine that it has already been
certificated as an ELSA (unless of course it meets FAA 103, which very
few ultralights do).
2. Any ELSA manufactured, registered, and certificated after January
31, 2008 must be based on an SLSA kit, as explained above.
If you have other questions about this, feel free to post them and
I'll
do my best to answer them. Also, I invite you to visit my website
listed below--it has lots of good information on this topic and much
more.
Hope this clarifies some of the confusion!
Mike
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
Mike
Thanks for the information. You got a great price on the pants also.
Build the plane the way YOU want it. Beauty is in the eye of the
beholder. More than one builder got so hung up with mods and beauty they
never got the plane flying.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: Mike Welch
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel pants mounting method
> >From the looks of the finished product , looks like you were in a
hurry...
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Yes, I know they do look a little rough. The truth is they aren't
completely finished being dressed up quite yet.
There is some improvement to go.
When they truely are finished, they will look more "clean".
Mike W
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
Whatever Rick....
I wasn't being mean....Just pointing it out...
KMA
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
Hey Big Lar,
Looks like that was a "poke" at you...
Sell Vamoose yet ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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> ="NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net"]Mike
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> Build the plane the way YOU want it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
More than one builder got so hung up with mods and beauty they never got the
plane flying.
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> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
Rick, I agree. As soon as I figured the durn thing would get me off
the ground I went for it.
-maybe a little TOO early as I bent one leg before the carb was
dialed in correctly.
The thrill I got out of the ride was worth it. Such luxuries as
doors, oil cooler,etc.
came later. Still a work in progress but when I bolt on the wings
this spring it will be ready to go again.
BB
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On 6, Apr 2008, at 2:53 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> Mike
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> Thanks for the information. You got a great price on the pants also.
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> Build the plane the way YOU want it. Beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder. More than one builder got so hung up with mods and beauty
> they never got the plane flying.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Welch
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel pants mounting method
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> > >=46rom the looks of the finished product , looks like you were in
> a hurry...
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> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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> Yes, I know they do look a little rough. The truth is they aren't
> completely finished being dressed up quite yet.
> There is some improvement to go.
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> When they truely are finished, they will look more "clean".
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> Mike W
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
Mike
I wasn't trying to talk about anyone. I really tried to be as tactful as I
could in a ugly situation.
But now that you mentioned it you WERE mean and very rude. Mike W was being
kind and went to a lot of effort to share alot of good information when you
blasted him. Please play nice.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel pants mounting method
>
> Hey Big Lar,
> Looks like that was a "poke" at you...
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> Sell Vamoose yet ?
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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>> beholder. More than one builder got so hung up with mods and beauty they
>> never got the plane flying.
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>> Rick Neilsen
>> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants mounting method |
Sorry Guys
I didn't take my own advice and take it off list. Also didn't "do not
archive"
Please do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel pants mounting method
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
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> Mike
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> I wasn't trying to talk about anyone. I really tried to be as tactful as I
> could in a ugly situation.
>
> But now that you mentioned it you WERE mean and very rude. Mike W was
> being kind and went to a lot of effort to share alot of good information
> when you blasted him. Please play nice.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:10 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Wheel pants mounting method
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>> Hey Big Lar,
>> Looks like that was a "poke" at you...
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>> Sell Vamoose yet ?
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>> Gotta Fly...
>> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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>>> Build the plane the way YOU want it. Beauty is in the eye of the
>>> beholder. More than one builder got so hung up with mods and beauty they
>>> never got the plane flying.
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>>> Rick Neilsen
>>> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
I installed the prop extension. It's an IVO 2 1/2" from Lockwood, part # EAIVOEXT.
The prop is a Warp Drive, and the only problem is that the bolts were about
1/2" too short. I shortened the extension to 2", and everything clears just
fine.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | First flight of the year. |
The weather finally broke, and we are experiencing some sunshine with
temperatures rising to over 50 degrees F. Last Fall, I flushed the cooling
system and installed anti-freeze. Everything was OK for a couple of flights
and then I noticed that the hose connections on the coolant return flow
section were seeping. Changing out these hose parts is a bare hand job. I
tried a couple of times to get it done, but there is nothing colder than a
hangar. Yesterday, I got the job done.
Today after mag kill and starter switch pull string adjustments, I flew for
about twenty minutes. Found my radio did not want to work. Brought it home
to dry out. Tomorrow is supposed to be nice too. The FireFly needs the
winter's dust washed off and I believe it will ready for the season.
It is just great to be back in the air.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly for sale |
Bob Noyer wrote:
> It is with great regret that must offer my FireFly E00RN for sale.
> I've encountered turbulence so severe that that very soon I shall have
> to make a final hard landing.
> In a word: health, or more succinctly, lack thereof. Operation soon,
> prognosis poor.
>
> Since it's almost Open Cockpit flying weather, it's the best chance
> for a sale before the snow returns. If you want a real deal, wait a
> bit and my good wife will no doubt either give it away, or let it rot
> outside the then-not-being- paid-for hangar. Built by Old Kolb, sn070,
> EIS, extended windscreen, rubberducky in belly, vgs(!).
>
> Buncha stuff goes along: ICOM AC-22 with new batt pack
> &charger&book&mic/hdphone cable. Lowrance Airmap100, book, cigar ltr
> pwr cable, floor dollies, gas cans, oil, drwgs/asmbly book.
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> Looking for Ten Large. ctc off list, pls.
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> regards,
> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
> http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Bob,
Sorry to hear that it has come to this time for you. My thoughts will
be with you and I hope your wrong with you own prognosis. I hope
someone will take you up on your offer and keep the Firefly flying.
Good luck and best wishes with what has to be a difficult time for you
and your wife. Will be looking forward to your forthcoming post's on
this list!!!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | No offense!! "None taken!" |
Rick N.,
Thanks for sticking up for me. I appreciate your concern. I didn't take too
much offense at what Mike Pierzina
said. The fact is, he was right. My problem is I gave the impression I was actually
finished with the wheel pants installation, and if that was the case...it
really did look rushed.
After he said what he said, I went back and looked at the photo. Kinda looks
crappy, I admit. The truth is, I really don't want to give the impression I
do finished work like that. After 3 days of install, remove, grind some,
install, measure, cut, etc, etc. etc., I was so happy to finally have them both
secured in place, I rolled my plane out in my front yard and snapped some photos.
I should said "mounted, but some dressing things up left to go".
To everyone's glee, I'm sure, I did work on them today. Ground and smoothed
some welds, smoothed some curves, over-all.....lots of refinement. The mounts
look MUCH better now. I even painted the exterior mounting plates.
I also boxed the steel gear legs, ready to be sent off to the heat treater.
So, thanks, Rick. I sure don't want people to be upset at anyone on account
of me.
On a second issue you referred to, regarding building the plane the I want to,
that's exactly what I intend to do.
I do realize there may those that feel my mods are "not in the original design",
but too bad! I am given the freedom to build my plane as I see fit. If I am
not very fond of a particular feature, then I will change it to suit me. It
is not my intent to offend. But, these are OUR planes, and we get to build them
like we want. I didn't condemn anyone else on their non-Kolb modifications,
I would expect they would have the same courtesy.
I like this forum. I have come to enjoy most of it's members. I also have learned
a lot of important things I needed to know about building my MkIII. I
admire many of the members who have much to offer, both in Kolb flying experience,
and their recommendations. I value their advice. It doesn't mean I will
adhere to it, but I value it, just the same.
My Kolb MkIII "whatever model" may take me a little longer to build than some,
but I will finish it. And what's more, I'll do it my way!! (said respectfully).
Conversant as usual,
Mike Welch
MkIII
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These guys are innovative and having fun too:
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Mike- Your efforts are appreciated. Keep us updated, as your solutions may be just
different enough to give the rest of us ideas. Keep the photos coming, too.
When do you anticipate starting the covering process?
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, ct.
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Bill,
I'm not Bob, but I took Mike Huffman's LS-I repairman course last week. It's a
great course and he's a great teacher. He talked about this (what you asked)
in his class. Probably NOT what you want to hear, but there is no way to certificate
a plane as E-LSA when it has already been certificated as E-AB.
Mike's web site - http://www.sportaviationspecialties.com/Articles.htm
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Cristal
Mark II Twinstar
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I received a bunch of screw top B8ES plugs from Aircraft Spruce over a year ago.
I got on the phone to customer service and they took them back. I wrote them
an e-mail about the safety issue of solid vs screw tops and included the correct
NGK stock number. I got absolutely no response. Interesting that they
have chosen to add a legalese warning instead of stocking the right plugs. I
hope this isn't indicative of a change of attitude for the worse at AC Spruce.
Probably just standard CYA.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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Bill,
Thanks for the encouraging words. As I said the other day, I'm about finished
with all the "modifications", so I should be able to get back to the regular
construction of things like fabric and such.
Regarding the fabric..the fuselage covering is virtually finished. Only a couple
of very small items to tend to. The tail feathers were completely finished,
BUT...but, I finally found the dimensions of the horizontal stabilizers on
an Xtra. Seeing as how I had the original triangle shaped hor. stabs, I had
to rip off the new fabric, and completely rebuild them to the new larger (and
stronger) Xtra style. I have to recover them again, hopefully within a couple
of days.
Once the hor. stabs are finished, all that remains is the main wings, elevators,
and flaps, to be covered.
It's kind of funny. It seems that finishing the wings is a big hurdle for me.
I have so many things just waiting
to install once the wings are done. All Lexan is cut and ready to rivet. My custom-made
side swinging doors are done. I've had my engine & prop mounted and
running years ago. My wing gap seal has been finished for 8 years. If I can
get past the wing covering and paint, then things should really start looking
good.
My avionics package may take awhile to complete. At the moment, I have to install
the following: Dynon D10A
EFIS, Icom A200 com radio, King transponder, AK-450 ELT, Air Gizmo panel dock
for my Garmin 296, and a few other items like engine gages, intercom, etc.
Mike Welch
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From: williamtsullivan@att.net
Subject: Kolb-List: wheel pants
Mike- Your efforts are appreciated. Keep us updated, as your solutions may be just
different enough to give the rest of us ideas. Keep the photos coming, too.
When do you anticipate starting the covering process?
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, ct.
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