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1. 05:44 AM - Re: Kolb MkIII Xtra drawings (Rick Lewis)
2. 02:35 PM - spring break (william sullivan)
3. 04:24 PM - Re: spring break (chris davis)
4. 05:47 PM - Re: spring break (Dana Hague)
5. 05:56 PM - spring break (william sullivan)
6. 06:01 PM - spring break (william sullivan)
7. 06:12 PM - Firestar Project (william sullivan)
8. 06:26 PM - Re: spring break (Dan Walter)
9. 06:26 PM - Leading edge stresses? (Dana Hague)
10. 06:37 PM - Re: Firestar Project (Dana Hague)
11. 06:40 PM - Re: Firestar Project (Russ Kinne)
12. 06:43 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
13. 06:47 PM - Re: Firestar Project (gary aman)
14. 06:49 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (gary aman)
15. 07:01 PM - Firestar Project (william sullivan)
16. 07:02 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (Dana Hague)
17. 07:05 PM - Ultrastar wing (william sullivan)
18. 07:13 PM - Re: Firestar Project (possums)
19. 07:14 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan)
20. 07:15 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
21. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (Dana Hague)
22. 07:17 PM - Re: Ultrastar wing (Dana Hague)
23. 07:30 PM - Re: Firestar Project (possums)
24. 07:37 PM - Re: Firestar project (Dana Hague)
25. 07:41 PM - Dent (william sullivan)
26. 07:46 PM - Re: Firestar Project (possums)
27. 07:56 PM - Re: Dent (possums)
28. 08:02 PM - Re: Dent (Dana Hague)
29. 08:05 PM - Re: Dent (Dana Hague)
30. 09:26 PM - Re: spring break (Jim Dunn)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb MkIII Xtra drawings |
Mike:
I will look through all the worthless sheets of paper they gave me but I don't
rember seeing anything like what your needing. If you need a stack of paper
saying quality control on it, and nothing else, than I've have at lease 40
pages of that.
Rick Lewis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175903#175903
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Gee, it's awful quiet here on the List with all the kids in Florida on spring
break. I think I'm getting empty nest syndrome. I hope they don't party too much.
I'm short of bail money.
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Lonesome Bill Sullivan
with the wife in new Mexico
(and her mother)
Kolb FS/KX/447
all alone in Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: spring break |
Kind of low on intelligent output without John Hauck too , isnt it ? Chris
----- Original Message ----
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:32:38 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: spring break
Gee, it's awful quiet here on the List with all the kids in Florida on spring
break. I think I'm getting empty nest syndrome. I hope they don't party too much.
I'm short of bail money.
do not archive
Lonesome Bill Sullivan
with the wife in new Mexico
(and her mother)
Kolb FS/KX/447
all alone in Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: spring break |
At 05:32 PM 4/10/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> Gee, it's awful quiet here on the List with all the kids in Florida on
> spring break. I think I'm getting empty nest syndrome. I hope they don't
> party too much. I'm short of bail money.
>
>do not archive
>
> Lonesome Bill Sullivan
> with the wife in new
> Mexico (and her mother)
> Kolb FS/KX/447
> all alone in Windsor
> Locks, Ct.
Hah! 'Twas a BEAUTIFUL night to fly in East Haddam, CT! And fly I did,
round and round the pattern 'til sunset, enjoying the pleasure of flying
without gloves for the first time this year, and of seeing my 20 year rusty
skills slowly returning...
-Dana
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John is the kid with the most experience. Juggling both bottles and blondes,
with the Kolb in his lap. I've seen pics of spring break.
do not archive.
Bill Sullivan
listening to the silence
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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For those of us left behind, the TNK web site says they will be gone until the
16th. or so. There are still some experienced people (not me) around the List
to answer questions.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Ct.
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| Subject: | Firestar Project |
Back to Kolb business. The FS is about ready to go. I need suggestions as to
what I'm missing or need. First, wheel chocks for a plane with no brakes. Ideas,
anyone? I was thinking of a couple of pieces of 2 x 4, with a rope to pull
them out. I also need an idea for a very light weight gap seal. I e-mailed TNK
without knowing they were closed, so no answer yet. I have oil, cans, and MR
funnel, a regular funnel, tools, and spare bolts, pins, clips, and safety wire.
I have a box to stand on for fueling. I have tie-downs and rope. I have a bike
pump.
What can anybody suggest before I transport for taxi testing?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: spring break |
I was glad to be home in PA as this was the first evening with good
temps and light winds. I took up my Druine Turbulent for the first time,
flys great but i got to work on the landings. This is kolb related
because I sure do miss my Ultrastar, but should have time to get the
engine overhauled soon.
Dan Walter
Palmyra, PA
Turbulent and Ultrastar
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----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: spring break
Gee, it's awful quiet here on the List
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| Subject: | Leading edge stresses? |
How highly stressed is the leading edge tube on a Kolb?
Tonight I noticed that there's a dent in the leading edge of my
UltraStar. It's old, I don't know how I never noticed it before, but it's
maybe 1/8" deep and maybe 1 inch by 1 inches. I peeled the old repair
patch off of it and looked at the tube underneath... no sharp bent edges,
no cracking or anything. Its right at the first full rib inboard of the
lift strut attach point, and (as far as I can tell by looking in from the
wing root) no problem with the rib. The leading edge is still straight,
except for the dent.
Should I be concerned? Is there a good way to reinforce it without
replacing the entire leading edge tube (a major job)?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 09:10 PM 4/10/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> Back to Kolb business. The FS is about ready to go. I need suggestions
> as to what I'm missing or need. First, wheel chocks for a plane with no
> brakes. Ideas, anyone? I was thinking of a couple of pieces of 2 x 4,
> with a rope to pull them out.
Chocks on a rope are a good idea, but something bigger than 2X4... you want
enough to hold the plane during a full power runup and engine testing. And
consider brakes... I'm very happy with the Free Bird brakes on my US.
> I also need an idea for a very light weight gap seal. I e-mailed TNK
> without knowing they were closed, so no answer yet.
Mine is just clear plastic (like the stuff they make convertible top
windows out of) held on with velcro.
> I have oil, cans, and MR funnel, a regular funnel, tools, and spare
> bolts, pins, clips, and safety wire. I have a box to stand on for
> fueling. I have tie-downs and rope. I have a bike pump.
>What can anybody suggest before I transport for taxi testing?
Do you have a wingtip support for when you set the plane up? I don't know
about your plane, but on the US you can't set the wingtip on the ground
with the rear spar pin installed (would be the front spar on yours), so it
needs a prop.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Bill
Rags - something always needs wiping. Paper towels in pocket a good
idea too. Small long-nose vice-grips. Maybe a can of instant tire-
inflator if you get a flat 'out there'. And a full wallet if you can
manage it.
Cheap-but-good chocks can be made from two pine 2x4's nailed & glued
together & then bandsawed to shape of tire. I used some plastic
chocks that fit front & rear of tires, bungee'd together, for years.
Don't know who made them but they never showed any wear. A milk
crate makes a good stand-on box that holds a lot of gear.
Happy almost-flying!
On Apr 10, 2008, at 9:10 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> Back to Kolb business. The FS is about ready to go. I need
> suggestions as to what I'm missing or need. First, wheel chocks for
> a plane with no brakes. Ideas, anyone? I was thinking of a couple
> of pieces of 2 x 4, with a rope to pull them out. I also need an
> idea for a very light weight gap seal. I e-mailed TNK without
> knowing they were closed, so no answer yet. I have oil, cans, and
> MR funnel, a regular funnel, tools, and spare bolts, pins, clips,
> and safety wire. I have a box to stand on for fueling. I have tie-
> downs and rope. I have a bike pump.
> What can anybody suggest before I transport for taxi testing?
>
> Bill
> Sullivan
> FS/KX/447
>
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge stresses? |
I saw a guy that had a dent in a wing strut tube on a Ultralight I let him
use my small exhaust pipe expanding tool to push the dent back out he just
slipped it in the tube with a long extension and then tightened it up then
loosen it up and retrieved it back with a magnetic stick ,this is just an i
dea
use with caution
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 4/10/2008 9:27:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
How highly stressed is the leading edge tube on a Kolb?
Tonight I noticed that there's a dent in the leading edge of my
UltraStar. It's old, I don't know how I never noticed it before, but it's
maybe 1/8" deep and maybe 1 inch by 1=BD inches. I peeled the old repair
patch off of it and looked at the tube underneath... no sharp bent edges,
no cracking or anything. Its right at the first full rib inboard of the
lift strut attach point, and (as far as I can tell by looking in from the
wing root) no problem with the rib. The leading edge is still straight,
except for the dent.
Should I be concerned? Is there a good way to reinforce it without
replacing the entire leading edge tube (a major job)?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
You really would enjoy having brakes,and the original gap seal on my Firestar was
cloth,held in place with velcro.Must be some one out there who has replaced
the cloth with lexan and could spare the cloth one for you .
----- Original Message ----
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:10:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Project
Back to Kolb business. The FS is about ready to go. I need suggestions as to
what I'm missing or need. First, wheel chocks for a plane with no brakes. Ideas,
anyone? I was thinking of a couple of pieces of 2 x 4, with a rope to pull
them out. I also need an idea for a very light weight gap seal. I e-mailed TNK
without knowing they were closed, so no answer yet. I have oil, cans, and MR
funnel, a regular funnel, tools, and spare bolts, pins, clips, and safety wire.
I have a box to stand on for fueling. I have tie-downs and rope. I have a bike
pump.
What can anybody suggest before I transport for taxi testing?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge stresses? |
Wouldn't worry about the dent there=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom
: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com; kolbUlt
rastar@yahoogroups.com=0ASent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:20:50 PM=0ASubjec
Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>=0A=0AHow highly stressed is the leading
edge tube on a Kolb?=0A=0ATonight I noticed that there's a dent in the lead
ing edge of my =0AUltraStar. It's old, I don't know how I never noticed it
before, but it's =0Amaybe 1/8" deep and maybe 1 inch by 1=BD inches. I pe
eled the old repair =0Apatch off of it and looked at the tube underneath...
no sharp bent edges, =0Ano cracking or anything. Its right at the first f
ull rib inboard of the =0Alift strut attach point, and (as far as I can tel
l by looking in from the =0Awing root) no problem with the rib. The leadin
g edge is still straight, =0Aexcept for the dent.=0A=0AShould I be concerne
d? Is there a good way to reinforce it without =0Areplacing the entire lea
ding edge tube (a major job)?=0A=0A-Dana=0A--=0A Sex in a Volkswagen = F
===========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Firestar Project |
Dana- For a wing support, I have an old screw and spring adjustable shower curtain
rod. It extends one handed, and collapses the same way. If I get the wing
in the right spot I don't need it. The FS wing can be installed without it, but
it is handy.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge stresses? |
At 09:40 PM 4/10/2008, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
>I saw a guy that had a dent in a wing strut tube on a Ultralight I let
>him use my small exhaust pipe expanding tool to push the dent back out he
>just slipped it in the tube with a long extension and then tightened it
>up then loosen it up and retrieved it back with a magnetic stick ,this is
>just an idea use with caution
Might work on something like a Quick where everything is bolted together,
just remove the bolts and slip it in. Wouldn't work on a Kolb where all
the ribs are riveted to the leading edge. Plus I'd need about an 8'
extension...
-Dana
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Dana- How old does the dent or patch seem to be? If the US wing is built like the
FS, I don't think it would be a major issue. It would be nice if you can get
more opinions on this.
Nice to see you got it in the air- It was a beautiful day in Ct.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 09:10 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote:
> Back to Kolb business. The FS is about ready to go. I need
> suggestions as to what I'm missing or need. First a plane with no brakes
Idea........ Cement block with a chain - works like an
anchor on a boat. Or a cuyuna engine (same thing).
>I also need an idea for a very light weight gap seal. I e-mailed TNK
>without knowing they were closed, so no answer yet.
(Attached) - if you don't want the fabric one that last 40 hours.
>I have oil, cans, and MR funnel, a regular funnel, tools, and spare
>bolts, pins, clips, and safety wire
(Safety Wire) I know from our last flight to Sun&Fun,
while bringing a batch (a "batch" I think that's right). Of yearlings,
we like to call them "yearlings" since they've been flying
about a year and ain't dead yet - but you don't really want to fly to
close behind
one, as they tend to have miscellaneous parts fall off their planes
all the way to Florida,
(mostly small stuff, like doors and muffler springs) - things like that
- nothing that you really need. They're still learning what "safety wire"
is all about. We left a trail we could follow back to Georgia. Works as good
as bread crumbs or an oil leak.
BTW - you can get $20 for a muffler spring about halfway there -
supply & demand.
>I have a box to stand on for fueling. I have tie-downs and rope. I
>have a bike pump.
>What can anybody suggest before I transport for taxi testing?
I think that about covers it except for the insurance -
whenever I'm 30 minutes late
getting home, my wife always calls the insurance guy to
check on the policy.
>
> Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
Dana- I think I can do the gap seal OK, but the weight is creeping up again- no
weight allowance for brakes. I have been looking at the exhaust system and wondering
if there is a way to trim weight there. Does anyone know if it would affect
the back pressure or engine temperature if I could find or make a lighter
muffler? Also, the 447 tailpipe turns up as it leaves the muffler. Why? Noise?
It could be cut off, and save a chunk of weight. Before I transport, I will
warm it up and use a digital thermometer on various spots on the exhaust before
getting creative.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge stresses? |
it will work on that leading edge tube the expander is only 1"OD your
leading edge tube on a KOLB is big enough even with rivets in it and if you hang
the leading edge down as in the folded position and a hand full of extensions
you could take the dent out or just not worry about it again Just a
suggestion
Success comes in Cans Not Cants
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 4/10/2008 10:02:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
At 09:40 PM 4/10/2008, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
I saw a guy that had a dent in a wing strut tube on a Ultralight I let him
use my small exhaust pipe expanding tool to push the dent back out he just
slipped it in the tube with a long extension and then tightened it up then
loosen it up and retrieved it back with a magnetic stick ,this is just an idea
use with caution
Might work on something like a Quick where everything is bolted together,
just remove the bolts and slip it in. Wouldn't work on a Kolb where all the
ribs are riveted to the leading edge. Plus I'd need about an 8' extension...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar speeds |
At 03:58 PM 4/9/2008, jb92563 wrote:
>While I was testing my engine Cuyuna UL-202 I was initially getting up to
>6500 rpm that would settle down mysteriously to 6200 rpm.
>
>I discovered that it was due to reduction belt slippage.
>
>Once I tightened the belts a bit more I could only get 6000 rpm.
>
>There was no indication of slipping other than me noticing the initially
>high rpms that would settle slightly and the fact that they were higher
>than the manual stated.
>
>You might want to check your belt tightness as a slipping belt is going to
>cause it to wear through prematurely.
>
>I guess the prop your using? might also account for the difference instead
>of the belts.
Flew again tonight. I don't think it's slipping. Static rpm is indeed
6500, which is correct according to the Cuuyna manual, if not the US manual
(which says 6200-6300). Anybody know what the redrive ratio is? At 3000
engine rpm I have 1400 prop rpm which is 2.14:1; same at 6000/2800; at 6500
prop is 3000 which works out to 2.17, I think the difference is within the
accuracy of my old analog Heathkit optical tach. I didn't fly out of the
traffic pattern tonight so I didn't have a chance to let it settle down at
cruise at other rpm's.
I _do_ get a cyclic humming that others have mentioned, a kind of
mmmm...mmmmm...mmmmm, about a 1 second period, almost like a twin with a
"beat" when the engines aren't quite synched. Could be an interplay
between exhaust pulses and an odd prop ratio.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar wing |
At 10:02 PM 4/10/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- How old does the dent or patch seem to be? If the US wing is built
>like the FS, I don't think it would be a major issue. It would be nice if
>you can get more opinions on this.
I don't know how old, although I never noticed before (though I don't know
how!) I know that _I_ didn't do it, so it must predate my ownership of the
plane.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 10:10 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote:
>>I also need an idea for a very light weight gap
>>seal. I e-mailed TNK without knowing they were closed, so no answer yet.
>
> (Attached) - if you don't want the fabric one that last 40
hours.
In case the "word doc) instructions didn't come thru
------------------------------------------------
WING GAP SEAL
See drawing sheet 44. In your kit are
four 1/2"x5/8"x30" sheet metal angles. Clamp two
of these together with approximately 0.032 gap
between the 1/2" legs and drill #30 holes with 1"
spacing starting from one end for 16". Then cut
metal to each of the holes so channels can be contoured to the wing.
Drill and install channels with 2"
spacing to IB side of IB wing ribs with 1/8"
rivets. Lay 0.020 sheet metal on top of wings and
mark along each channel (I think it is 6061
aluminum 'thin, but kind of stiff). Add
approximately 1/2" to each side of these marks
and cut (You don=92t have to get too tight of a fit here).
Now cut a section of 1 112" tubing to fit
between wing LE tubes. Hold tube in position and
slide gap seal LE on tube and rivet in place. Cut
a 1" long piece of 1 1/2" aluminum tube. Then cut
out 1/4" gap, as you did making rear spar
splices. Slide this piece into wing LE tube with
Epoxy applied and use sheet metal screws to
attach the forward corners of gap seal to wing LE
tubes. The doubler makes a better thread for the
sheet metal screws(drill larger hole in gap seal
for screw). I did mine a little different here
and just used one tube over the ends of the LE
tubes that stick out about 2 inches on my plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
At 10:11 PM 4/10/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- I think I can do the gap seal OK, but the weight is creeping up
>again- no weight allowance for brakes. I have been looking at the exhaust
>system and wondering if there is a way to trim weight there. Does anyone
>know if it would affect the back pressure or engine temperature if I could
>find or make a lighter muffler? Also, the 447 tailpipe turns up as it
>leaves the muffler. Why? Noise? It could be cut off, and save a chunk of
>weight...
The Freebird brakes are very light, maybe a couple of pounds. I wouldn't
mess with the exhaust, the tuning may or may not be affected but exhausts
have come a long way from the days when they failed all the time and went
through props... I think I'd look elsewhere for weight reduction. How
close are you?
-Dana
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Dana- I have about an 18" long 3/8" extension you can borrow, but no dent expander.
I could meet you and pass it over.
Possums- how heavy is that gap seal? also, I have to fuel from the top- I have
the modified 10 gallon tank with the BRS mounted under it, firing through the
fabric.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 09:10 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote:
> Back to Kolb business.
You're not really trying to get it down to 254 pounds are you????
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>Possums- how heavy is that gap seal? also, I have to fuel from the
>top- I have the modified 10 gallon tank with the BRS mounted under
>it, firing through the fabric.
>
> Bill Sullivan
I probably weighs about 1 or 2 pounds max - with the sound insulation
?? I'll check it if you want.
But if your going Part 103 - you can't afford 2 lbs.
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At 10:36 PM 4/10/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- I have about an 18" long 3/8" extension you can borrow, but no dent
>expander. I could meet you and pass it over.
Thanks... I have a bunch of extensions (though not 8' worth!) and an
expander... though I imagine that the dent is as is no weaker than a dent
subjected to the added fatigue of rebending it back straight again.
-Dana
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Bill, if I remember, I'll bring a scale and weigh my own gap seal when I
stop at Goodspeed on Saturday (weather looks crappy but everybody goes up
there on Saturday mornings anyway... c'mon down and meet some other Kolb
drivers).
-Dana
At 10:53 PM 4/10/2008, possums wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Possums- how heavy is that gap seal? also, I have to fuel from the top- I
>>have the modified 10 gallon tank with the BRS mounted under it, firing
>>through the fabric.
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>
>I probably weighs about 1 or 2 pounds max - with the sound insulation ??
>I'll check it if you want.
>But if your going Part 103 - you can't afford 2 lbs.
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| Subject: | Re: spring break |
Lonesome Bill, why would you bail them out. Couldn't you use a nice
peaceful vacation?
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Gee, it's awful quiet here on the List with all the kids in Florida on
spring break. I think I'm getting empty nest syndrome. I hope they don't
party too much. I'm short of bail money.
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