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1. 07:44 AM - Re: Firestar project (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
2. 07:56 AM - Re: Firestar project (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
3. 01:43 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (Ralph B)
4. 01:52 PM - Re: Firestar project (Dana Hague)
5. 04:21 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan)
6. 04:24 PM - Ultrastar cross wind (william sullivan)
7. 05:06 PM - Re: Firestar project (Bob Noyer)
8. 05:12 PM - Re: Ultrastar cross wind (Dana Hague)
9. 05:17 PM - Re: Firestar project (Dana Hague)
10. 05:18 PM - Re: Firestar project (Russ Kinne)
11. 08:21 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (JetPilot)
12. 08:23 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan)
13. 08:27 PM - Re: Prop type and wear resistance (JetPilot)
14. 09:34 PM - Check out http://www.avweb.com/newspics/sun-n-fun-2008_gallery02_kolb_firefly (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
Bill
a 66" tenn Wood prop weighs 5.7 Lbs
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 4/11/2008 5:54:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
williamtsullivan@att.net writes:
Re: The Firestar with a 503. According to the Lockwood book, the 503 weighs
about 12 1/2 pounds more than a 447. It's hard to be exact, but that is due
to engine weight, 2 carbs, and exhaust differences. I don't know about
differences in the gearbox.
Denny- I can't measure the fuselage width right now- looks like rain, but
I will post it first chance for anyone who cares to measure something. Also
the main tube length.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
also the tail boom tube on my old firestar was 13 feet long
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 4/12/2008 10:45:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ElleryWeld@aol.com writes:
Bill
a 66" tenn Wood prop weighs 5.7 Lbs
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 4/11/2008 5:54:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
williamtsullivan@att.net writes:
Re: The Firestar with a 503. According to the Lockwood book, the 503 weighs
about 12 1/2 pounds more than a 447. It's hard to be exact, but that is due
to engine weight, 2 carbs, and exhaust differences. I don't know about
differences in the gearbox.
Denny- I can't measure the fuselage width right now- looks like rain, but
I will post it first chance for anyone who cares to measure something. Also
the main tube length.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge stresses? |
>
> I'm not worried about cosmetics, only strength. Furthermore I wouldn't
> patch _any_ questionable area; I want to be able to inspect it later and
> make sure there's no further problems.
>
> If it were a Quicksilver where the leading edge IS the spar, of course, the
> wing would already be disassembled.
>
> -Dana
It depends on the size of the dent. If it's small, it's only cosmetic and the strength
is still there.
Ralph
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Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
Bill, FWIW, my clear vinyl gap seal (.040" thick material from
McMaster-Carr) weighs 2.2 lbs.
Discovered my personal comfort limits in the Ultrastar today. You know the
old saying, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air,
than in the air wishing you were on the ground"... I can safely say that an
80 crosswind at 12G18 (it didn't seem that bad when I took off) is TOO
WINDY. Got down without breaking anything but they guys watching must have
enjoyed the show! Good thing I had help folding it up again.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
Anybody with an original Firestar, a KX version, or a Firefly want to grab their
overall length for me? The TNK website no longer gives length. My Firestar KX
measured out at 19' even, with a tail boom OAL of 12'. Ellery's FS was 13'.
I'm still trying to identify this thing, and it gets more confusing each time
I try. It is starting to look like an FS/KX built light for 103.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Ultrastar cross wind |
Dana- How much crosswind did you have? Obviously, enough to get your attention.
Did you run out of rudder? How about added throttle?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
second time!
Bill, FWIW, my clear vinyl gap seal (.040" thick material from
McMaster-Carr) weighs 2.2 lbs.
Discovered my personal comfort limits in the Ultrastar today. You
know the old saying, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you
were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground"... I
can safely say that an 80 crosswind at 12G18 (it didn't seem that
bad when I took off) is TOO WINDY. Got down without breaking
anything but they guys watching must have enjoyed the show! Good
thing I had help folding it up again.
-Dana
via bob n
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar cross wind |
At 07:22 PM 4/12/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Dana- How much crosswind did you have? Obviously, enough to get your
>attention. Did you run out of rudder? How about added throttle?
Well, I wasn't taking measurements at the moment. :) Chester was due to
windward of Goodspeed and just far enough away that the 12G18 would be
arriving just as I landed, about 80 crosswind from the right... though
Chester is up on the hilltop and Goodspeed is down in the river valley, so
it was probably less, but more mechanical turbulence. The windsock was
straight out at times, though, and I assume it's a 15 knot windsock like
most. I flew final at idle but added a touch of throttle as I flared.
I always run out of rudder trying to slip it... of course slips really
don't do much good in an US, but I was a bit high and wanted to do
everything possible to get it on the ground and not have to go around
again. Biggest problem was running out of aileron, the US rolls pretty
slow and I was back and forth against the stops keeping the wings level on
final. The actual touchdown was almost an anticlimax (though far from the
smoothest I've ever made!) and it took a jab of left brake to keep it on
the runway.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
At 08:03 PM 4/12/2008, Bob Noyer wrote:
>
>second time!
"second time"?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
DANA!
Most glad you didn't fold it up on the runway!
Russ
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On Apr 12, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Bob Noyer wrote:
>
> second time!
>
> Bill, FWIW, my clear vinyl gap seal (.040" thick material from
> McMaster-Carr) weighs 2.2 lbs.
>
> Discovered my personal comfort limits in the Ultrastar today. You
> know the old saying, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you
> were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground"...
> I can safely say that an 80 crosswind at 12G18 (it didn't seem
> that bad when I took off) is TOO WINDY. Got down without breaking
> anything but they guys watching must have enjoyed the show! Good
> thing I had help folding it up again.
>
> -Dana
>
>
> via bob n
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leading edge stresses? |
The leading edge of a Kolb wing is not acting as a spar as it is on many other
types of planes. On a Quicksilver, a dent there would be very bad... On a
Kolb, what you describe sounds like no problem at all.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
I found a Firefly length of 19' 6" on Jack Hart's website. My Firestar is 19' even.
Anybody have the length on a Firestar l or Kx? Comments?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop type and wear resistance |
A composite prop is better than wood in every way. Much stronger, more efficient,
better performance, and will keep its balance better. I would not have used
a wood prop even if they were giving them away for free.
If you get a composite, the warp drive props are the strongest, with the nickel
leading edge, now its not just tape, its nickel implanted into the edge. I
also fly a Powerfin, which is great, not as strong as the warp, but with the soft
leading edge tape, it does not wear on the leading edge at all.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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_http://www.avweb.com/newspics/sun-n-fun-2008_gallery02_kolb_firefly.jpg_
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Hi Kolbers,
I was looking at the _www.avweb.com_ (http://www.avweb.com) site for
Sun-N-Fun pictures/reports. Here's an example.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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