---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/12/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Firestar project (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 2. 07:56 AM - Re: Firestar project (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 3. 01:43 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (Ralph B) 4. 01:52 PM - Re: Firestar project (Dana Hague) 5. 04:21 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan) 6. 04:24 PM - Ultrastar cross wind (william sullivan) 7. 05:06 PM - Re: Firestar project (Bob Noyer) 8. 05:12 PM - Re: Ultrastar cross wind (Dana Hague) 9. 05:17 PM - Re: Firestar project (Dana Hague) 10. 05:18 PM - Re: Firestar project (Russ Kinne) 11. 08:21 PM - Re: Leading edge stresses? (JetPilot) 12. 08:23 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan) 13. 08:27 PM - Re: Prop type and wear resistance (JetPilot) 14. 09:34 PM - Check out http://www.avweb.com/newspics/sun-n-fun-2008_gallery02_kolb_firefly (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:30 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project Bill a 66" tenn Wood prop weighs 5.7 Lbs Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 4/11/2008 5:54:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, williamtsullivan@att.net writes: Re: The Firestar with a 503. According to the Lockwood book, the 503 weighs about 12 1/2 pounds more than a 447. It's hard to be exact, but that is due to engine weight, 2 carbs, and exhaust differences. I don't know about differences in the gearbox. Denny- I can't measure the fuselage width right now- looks like rain, but I will post it first chance for anyone who cares to measure something. Also the main tube length. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:46 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project also the tail boom tube on my old firestar was 13 feet long Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 4/12/2008 10:45:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ElleryWeld@aol.com writes: Bill a 66" tenn Wood prop weighs 5.7 Lbs Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 4/11/2008 5:54:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, williamtsullivan@att.net writes: Re: The Firestar with a 503. According to the Lockwood book, the 503 weighs about 12 1/2 pounds more than a 447. It's hard to be exact, but that is due to engine weight, 2 carbs, and exhaust differences. I don't know about differences in the gearbox. Denny- I can't measure the fuselage width right now- looks like rain, but I will post it first chance for anyone who cares to measure something. Also the main tube length. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on _AOL Money & Finance_ (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) . (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge stresses? From: "Ralph B" > > I'm not worried about cosmetics, only strength. Furthermore I wouldn't > patch _any_ questionable area; I want to be able to inspect it later and > make sure there's no further problems. > > If it were a Quicksilver where the leading edge IS the spar, of course, the > wing would already be disassembled. > > -Dana It depends on the size of the dent. If it's small, it's only cosmetic and the strength is still there. Ralph -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176438#176438 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:13 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project Bill, FWIW, my clear vinyl gap seal (.040" thick material from McMaster-Carr) weighs 2.2 lbs. Discovered my personal comfort limits in the Ultrastar today. You know the old saying, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground"... I can safely say that an 80 crosswind at 12G18 (it didn't seem that bad when I took off) is TOO WINDY. Got down without breaking anything but they guys watching must have enjoyed the show! Good thing I had help folding it up again. -Dana -- I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -- Galileo Galilei ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:44 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar project Anybody with an original Firestar, a KX version, or a Firefly want to grab their overall length for me? The TNK website no longer gives length. My Firestar KX measured out at 19' even, with a tail boom OAL of 12'. Ellery's FS was 13'. I'm still trying to identify this thing, and it gets more confusing each time I try. It is starting to look like an FS/KX built light for 103. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:51 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar cross wind Dana- How much crosswind did you have? Obviously, enough to get your attention. Did you run out of rudder? How about added throttle? Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:49 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project second time! Bill, FWIW, my clear vinyl gap seal (.040" thick material from McMaster-Carr) weighs 2.2 lbs. Discovered my personal comfort limits in the Ultrastar today. You know the old saying, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground"... I can safely say that an 80 crosswind at 12G18 (it didn't seem that bad when I took off) is TOO WINDY. Got down without breaking anything but they guys watching must have enjoyed the show! Good thing I had help folding it up again. -Dana via bob n ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:07 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ultrastar cross wind At 07:22 PM 4/12/2008, william sullivan wrote: >Dana- How much crosswind did you have? Obviously, enough to get your >attention. Did you run out of rudder? How about added throttle? Well, I wasn't taking measurements at the moment. :) Chester was due to windward of Goodspeed and just far enough away that the 12G18 would be arriving just as I landed, about 80 crosswind from the right... though Chester is up on the hilltop and Goodspeed is down in the river valley, so it was probably less, but more mechanical turbulence. The windsock was straight out at times, though, and I assume it's a 15 knot windsock like most. I flew final at idle but added a touch of throttle as I flared. I always run out of rudder trying to slip it... of course slips really don't do much good in an US, but I was a bit high and wanted to do everything possible to get it on the ground and not have to go around again. Biggest problem was running out of aileron, the US rolls pretty slow and I was back and forth against the stops keeping the wings level on final. The actual touchdown was almost an anticlimax (though far from the smoothest I've ever made!) and it took a jab of left brake to keep it on the runway. -Dana -- Software isn't released, it's allowed to escape. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:03 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project At 08:03 PM 4/12/2008, Bob Noyer wrote: > >second time! "second time"? -Dana do not archive -- Software isn't released, it's allowed to escape. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:45 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar project DANA! Most glad you didn't fold it up on the runway! Russ do not archive On Apr 12, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Bob Noyer wrote: > > second time! > > Bill, FWIW, my clear vinyl gap seal (.040" thick material from > McMaster-Carr) weighs 2.2 lbs. > > Discovered my personal comfort limits in the Ultrastar today. You > know the old saying, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you > were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground"... > I can safely say that an 80 crosswind at 12G18 (it didn't seem > that bad when I took off) is TOO WINDY. Got down without breaking > anything but they guys watching must have enjoyed the show! Good > thing I had help folding it up again. > > -Dana > > > via bob n > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Leading edge stresses? From: "JetPilot" The leading edge of a Kolb wing is not acting as a spar as it is on many other types of planes. On a Quicksilver, a dent there would be very bad... On a Kolb, what you describe sounds like no problem at all. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176488#176488 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:17 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar project I found a Firefly length of 19' 6" on Jack Hart's website. My Firestar is 19' even. Anybody have the length on a Firestar l or Kx? Comments? Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prop type and wear resistance From: "JetPilot" A composite prop is better than wood in every way. Much stronger, more efficient, better performance, and will keep its balance better. I would not have used a wood prop even if they were giving them away for free. If you get a composite, the warp drive props are the strongest, with the nickel leading edge, now its not just tape, its nickel implanted into the edge. I also fly a Powerfin, which is great, not as strong as the warp, but with the soft leading edge tape, it does not wear on the leading edge at all. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176490#176490 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:29 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Check out http://www.avweb.com/newspics/sun-n-fun-2008_gallery02_kolb_firefly _http://www.avweb.com/newspics/sun-n-fun-2008_gallery02_kolb_firefly.jpg_ (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/sun-n-fun-2008_gallery02_kolb_firefly.jpg) Hi Kolbers, I was looking at the _www.avweb.com_ (http://www.avweb.com) site for Sun-N-Fun pictures/reports. Here's an example. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. 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