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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (John Bickham)
2. 03:05 AM - tail feathers (william sullivan)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: Firestar Project (Tony Oldman)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Firestar Project (pj.ladd)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: Prop Strike- Warps can take a beating, keep on ticking! (Bart Morgan)
6. 06:02 AM - Tony's Kolb (william sullivan)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: Firestar Project (Vic Peters)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: tail feathers (George Alexander)
9. 06:43 AM - metric bolts ()
10. 07:20 AM - tail feathers (william sullivan)
11. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Larry Cottrell)
12. 08:01 AM - MV pictures (Nelson, Craig)
13. 08:26 AM - MV pictures (Nelson, Craig)
14. 08:44 AM - Re: tail feathers (Mike Welch)
15. 09:00 AM - Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (John Hauck)
16. 09:35 AM - tail feathers (william sullivan)
17. 09:42 AM - Re: tail feathers (icrashrc)
18. 09:49 AM - Re: tail feathers (beauford T)
19. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (Jack B. Hart)
20. 10:22 AM - tail feathers (william sullivan)
21. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
22. 10:57 AM - Re: Firestar project (Jack B. Hart)
23. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Project (Jack B. Hart)
24. 11:01 AM - 912 (robert bean)
25. 11:26 AM - Re: Firestar Project (Ron)
26. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Project (John Hauck)
27. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Project (Bob Noyer)
28. 11:31 AM - Re: Firestar Project (Ron)
29. 11:47 AM - Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (Mike Welch)
30. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Firestar Project (Gene Ledbetter)
31. 11:53 AM - Driving to Monument Valley (Mike Welch)
32. 11:58 AM - Regulation (John Hauck)
33. 12:00 PM - Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (John Hauck)
34. 12:05 PM - Re: Driving to Monument Valley (John Hauck)
35. 12:10 PM - Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (Larry Cottrell)
36. 12:19 PM - Re: Firestar project (Larry Cottrell)
37. 12:21 PM - Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (John Hauck)
38. 12:49 PM - Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (John Williamson)
39. 12:49 PM - Re: tail feathers (Jeremy Casey)
40. 12:56 PM - Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (Larry Cottrell)
41. 02:03 PM - Re: tail feathers (Dana Hague)
42. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (Dana Hague)
43. 02:32 PM - Kolb wanted (Jon LaVasseur)
44. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (John Hauck)
45. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (Dana Hague)
46. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Project (gary aman)
47. 03:47 PM - Re: 912 (Russ Kinne)
48. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Project (Dana Hague)
49. 04:13 PM - Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet (Dave Rains)
50. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (John Hauck)
51. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (Dana Hague)
52. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar speeds (Dana Hague)
53. 06:01 PM - Re: 912 (robert bean)
54. 07:21 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Steven Green)
55. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Alternate Firefly engines (DAquaNut@aol.com)
56. 07:39 PM - Re: tail feathers (DAquaNut@aol.com)
57. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Alternate Firefly engines (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
58. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: Alternate Firefly engines (DAquaNut@aol.com)
59. 11:00 PM - Re: Tony's Kolb (Tony Oldman)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest |
This is just to help stir up the blood for those going. Took these beginning of
April. Sandy and I drove our daughter's car home from Salt Lake City after
seeing her off to Iraq.
Not taken during fly-in. It is an amazing place from the ground. Hope to see
it from a Kolb one day. Ya'll have fun and be safe.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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How tight are the support cables for the horizontal stabilizer supposed to be?
Mine seem a bit slack. The plan got flipped in a storm, so I may not be looking
at the right parts- I don't have another Kolb around to compare with.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 53 ,both women and beer still have there attractions. I still find
time to fit some Kolbing in as well. Not as much as I would like ,but
thats maybe too much beer and women.Or old cars and motor cycles . Life
has to have its ballances
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From: Michael Sharp
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Project
Well,
I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer too...
HMMMMM
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Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
At 09:40 PM 4/13/2008, robert bean wrote:
>An "old guy"? hmmmm, is there any other kind of Kolb owner? -Or
>flyer for that matter.
>It doesn't look good for the sport when everyone is 60+
>It can't solely be a matter of affordability because I see lots of
>$6000+ snowmobiles,
>4 wheelers, not to mention those ridiculous $$$$$$ boats.
This comes up regularly on the PPG forums... you'd think that would
be a
young person's sport, but the average participant is 40-60. It's
because
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer too..>>
Hi,
I shall be 79 in August and I still like women and beer. Trouble is , I
can remember what you do with beer but....
Cheers
Pat.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Strike- Warps can take a beating, keep on ticking! |
Ralph,
Where did you get the metric bolts with drilled heads?
Bart
Firestar II
N454K
in progress
Ralph B <ul15rhb@juno.com> wrote:
Be aware of the 8mm head bolts that hold the muffler bracket. They can come loose
too. I bought ones with drilled heads so I can wire them down. The original
bolts with the kit didn't have drilled heads.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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Nice plane, Tony. Exactly what model, age, engine?
I'm 58, beer interferes with my drugs, and I still look at women, but can't remember
why.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Pat, first you put the beer in the woman. The rest comes much easier.
Vic
Maine
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| Subject: | Re: tail feathers |
williamtsullivan(at)att.n wrote:
> How tight are the support cables for the horizontal stabilizer supposed to be?
>
> .
>
> Bill Sullivan
> FS/KX/447
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>
Almost tight enough for Travis Brown to strum a rendition of "My Old Kentucky Home"
like it was a "banjer".
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FS II R503
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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Ralph,
Where do you get metric bolts with drilled heads?
Bart
Firestar II
N454K
work in progress
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I turned the stainless steel brackets on the lower bolt on the vertical stabilizer
so that they came off the "bottom" of the bolt, and everything tightened
right up. They almost feel like they were made that way. I would have made them
to come off the "top" of the bolt. How are they supposed to mount?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest |
If you look real close I think you may be able to see a Kolb way back in the
background. This is a picture taken by my wife, Karen during our first trip
there in 2004.
Larry C
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<<snow agave.jpg>> <<west mitten.jpg>> <<ansel's shot.jpg>>
Hi all looking forward to next month
Uncle Craig & Milow
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<<mv.JPG>> <<MV fly shot.jpg>> <<MV shot.jpg>> <<MV take
off.JPG>>
Apicture is worth a thousand words MV is Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uncle Craig
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Bill,
There was a discussion about a year ago regarding how tight you should have your
tail wires.
First of all...great, if you have them installed correctly. But, beyond just that,
like George said, they need to be very tight (you should be able to "strum"
them)!
Evidently, some Kolbers have found that "less than tight tail wires" allow the
plane to have way too much "play" in the flight controls. Aim for the "tightest"
setting you can manage by hand.
Mike Welch
MkIII (receiving Poly Fiber)
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From: williamtsullivan@att.net
Subject: Kolb-List: tail feathers
How tight are the support cables for the horizontal stabilizer supposed to be?
Mine seem a bit slack. The plan got flipped in a storm, so I may not be looking
at the right parts- I don't have another Kolb around to compare with.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest |
Morning Gang:
Is it that time already? I just got home yesterday.....................
I did a quick scan of some old photos from past flights to MV. I guess my
favorite in this bunch is the one of us all standing under the wing of Miss
P'fer while the rain and wind turn the red dust to red glue. Arizona Dave
promptly drove his BAMH up in front of Miss P'fer, inviting all of us and a
ton of red mud to seek shelter in his motor home. Dave was quite a guy, and
Eve is an angel.
Take care,
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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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Now I just have to figure out what is wrong. Remember- the plane got flipped
over, so something is not right.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: tail feathers |
I asked Homer about that once. He said the wires should be tight enough that you
can just barely tighten the wingnut on the bottom bolt by hand.
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: tail feathers |
Brother Sullivan:
If I understand you correctly, you pivoted the stainless brackets around
the lower bolt...the one at the bottom of the vertical stab... so that
they point downward, thus gaining additional tension on the cable...
I would suggest you might not want to do this... the primary reason
being that the friction on the bolt head is all that would prevent the
bracket from gradually yielding to the cable tension and pivoting back
around toward the 12 o'clock position... I believe any inspector
would consider this be an unairworthy condition which would slacken the
cable to a dangerous extent....it does not take much slack in the tail
cable to ruin a person's day.... .
If the tail cable will not tighten up sufficiently to "thrum" a nice
"middle G" note, something else is going on... the cable crimp ferrules
are slipping, something is installed backwards, or something could be
bent. The brackets at the top of the stab should point down and the
ones at the bottom bolt should point up. I highly recommend you not
attempt flight with the machine until you have resolved this issue and
have a nice tight cable IAW the Kolb plans, not by misaligning the
brackets.
...worth what ye paid fer it...
Beauford, the aluminum butcher of Brandon, FL
FF 076
----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: tail feathers
I turned the stainless steel brackets on the lower bolt on the
vertical stabilizer so that they came off the "bottom" of the bolt, and
everything tightened right up. They almost feel like they were made that
way. I would have made them to come off the "top" of the bolt. How are
they supposed to mount?
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar speeds |
At 12:37 PM 4/11/08 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I've considered fairing them at some point like you did. A buddy of mine
>has a CNC hot wire cutter for R/C wings, which should make short work of
>shaping the fairings. Did you actually see any speed or economy
>improvements with the fairings?
>
Dana,
I have not been concerned about top speed. I don't like to fly much faster
than 55 mphi with my head sticking out in the air stream. What I am
interested in is reduced fuel burn rates and increased range.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Found it. The stainless steel brackets got slightly bent in the roll-over. I am
tone deaf, but they are tight now- a little careful re-bending.
Thanks.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest |
John
That dog that was posing for you looked like the dog that chewed thru your
tent. The doggie grin was from all the food he helped himself to.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
>
> Morning Gang:
>
> Is it that time already? I just got home yesterday.....................
>
> I did a quick scan of some old photos from past flights to MV. I guess my
> favorite in this bunch is the one of us all standing under the wing of
> Miss
> P'fer while the rain and wind turn the red dust to red glue. Arizona Dave
> promptly drove his BAMH up in front of Miss P'fer, inviting all of us and
> a
> ton of red mud to seek shelter in his motor home. Dave was quite a guy,
> and
> Eve is an angel.
>
> Take care,
>
> --------
> John Hauck
> MKIII/912ULS
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
At 04:53 PM 4/11/08 -0400, you wrote:
> Jack,
>I would think with the longer wing, Bills Firestar will meet the math
>requirments of 103. Also, a Firestar fuselage is probably a little wider
>than a Fireflys?
>With a 447 and also meeting the weight and fuel limits, who would bother
>with the equations?
>
Denny,
If Bill wants to attend a fly-in that includes an air show, there is a
possibility of being ramp checked. In the past this was not much of a
problem, because there were so many little small planes showing up without N
numbers. But this year it will be much different and non N numbered
aircraft are really stick out. If you claim to fly an aircraft that is
103-7 compliant, it is up to you to prove it. This is why Appendix 1,2,3 &
4 are so important. If one fills these out they are considered sufficient
proof for compliance.
If on the other hand, Bill is not going to fly it into a controlled airport
that is sponsoring an air show event, he could get by as do many others.
But since he is making the effort to meet the weight and fuel requirements,
I assumed his goal was for full compliance.
In terms of fuselage width, I have not measured but I believe the FireFly
fuselage width may be greater than that of a FireStar. This was done to
meet FAA requirements for ultra light vehicle design to ensure a slow speed
dragy design. With the larger wing span or lower wing loading, Bill should
have no trouble meeting the stall limit. But with lighter wing loading, a
full enclosure, and a single wing lift strut, he may find it difficult to
remain maximum speed compliant. The drag numbers will be too low and the
447 will be too powerful. There are ways around this. First remove the
full enclosure to increase the drag. Also, one could add a false lift
strut, and/or one could move to a lower hp engine.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
At 11:23 AM 4/14/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On the age thing...
>I started building my Firestar when I was 25. Finished it when 32 and
still flying it at 41. I hope to still be flying it when I am 60.
>
Roger,
Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Maybe someone might be interested:
http://tinyurl.com/4cfrx6
BB
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Its called FAA and the ever more militaristic nature of how things are conducted
in aviation nowadays. More and more autocratic, who in the world wants to put
up with regulations upon regulations, restrictions everywhere. 90% of which
are meaningless but if you are caught up in something as innocuous as it can
be there will be a regulation that will punish you. Ever walk into a flight school
in recent times, everyone is somber and serious, the FAA has succeeded in
making all of us behave like they are in their official capacity. Fooling around
is discouraged or penalized, as some jerk will find some reg with which to
screw you or worst yet your buddy will in great haste point out to you the regulation
that you didn't follow in his interpretation. Then there is the ever
increasing cost and schedule. None of that is found in an ATV take it out and
play all you want. I am sure the day will come that the ever bigger government
will come and start restricting our freedom there to
o.
If we don't constantly fight for freedom it will be taken away from us.
See the less freedom we have the more freedom the government has to do what they
want to us.
Ron (TxAz)
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---- robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
============
An "old guy"? hmmmm, is there any other kind of Kolb owner? -Or
flyer for that matter.
It doesn't look good for the sport when everyone is 60+
It can't solely be a matter of affordability because I see lots of
$6000+ snowmobiles,
4 wheelers, not to mention those ridiculous $$$$$$ boats.
BB
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On 13, Apr 2008, at 9:17 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 08:59 PM 4/13/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>> Dana- I asked about the source, but the guy I bought it from had
>> shared ownership with somebody else. When I asked him, he said the
>> other guy might know and I didn't follow through. I think I'll e-
>> mail him.
>
> Hope you have better luck than I had. Actually I know three owners
> back for my plane, but the first guy I know (who bought it sometime
> in the early 90's) doesn't remember the original owner's name, only
> that he "was an old guy" and probably dead now. Of course mine is
> mostly stock so there aren't many questions. Of the three owners I
> know, only one ever flew it (and he only flew it a couple of
> times), though some of their friends flew it occasionally.
>
> -Dana
>
> do not archive
> --
> Nowadays only a lawyer can tell legal from illegal, and the
> lawyers don't know the difference between right and wrong.
>
>
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> Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack H:
Me too!
Celebrated my 69th BD flying on the first day of Sun and Fun 2008.
I'm not quite as quick as I used to be, but the "desire" is still there.
It is very comforting to strap on the mkIII and fly. Seems like all those
old aches and pains, bum knees and ankle, go away, and I can enjoy the
freedom of flying my Kolb.
john h
mkIII
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I almost made it to 85, but think my last flight will be when I'm
dumped out over the Blue Ridge mtns in a few months.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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As long as you list women first and beer second you are young, when you list beer
first and women second you gotten old.
Ron (TxAz)
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---- Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
============
At 08:19 AM 4/14/2008, Michael Sharp wrote:
>Well,
>
>I'm 43 and I'm a flyer, I still like Women and Beer too...
Well... me too. I just don't often bring either one to the airport... :)
-Dana
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| Subject: | Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet |
Kolb brethren and sistren (??),
In the spirit of John W.'s request for M.V. photos, I present the list to sign
up, for those and their favorite others, to attend.
Driving in:
1) Mike Welch, with wife, Nancy
Flying in:
1)
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On Apr 15, 2008, at 2:17 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> > Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>
>
> Jack H:
>
> Me too!
>
> Celebrated my 69th BD flying on the first day of Sun and Fun 2008.
>
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
Jack and John,
Me Three!
I'm not that far from 80 and plan that I will still be taking the
firefly out of the trailer and enjoying the scenery in SW Ohio when I
reach that goal in 2010.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly 370 hrs
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| Subject: | Driving to Monument Valley |
Kolb guys,
Although it is my intention to attend, I have a lot of logistics to contend with
during that timeframe. I still plan on moving to Missouri by June 1st.
Plus, my plane is FAR from being finished. I would have to tow it there, if
I bring it.
After all, does anyone really care to look at a non-flying "Classic to Xtra"
convert?? It'd be a lot easier to leave it at home.....
Mike Welch
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Ron:
Maybe you are in the wrong area of aviation.
I'm regulated, I reckon, but not much.
My type flying has few restrictions, especially if I stay out of controlled
airports. I only land in D or higher airpace when it is absolutely
necessary.
Most of my flights, all over our great land, are pretty much alone. I don't
see many airplanes in the air from my point of view.
My days flying in the Army have been over for many, many years. Gone are
the days when it was dictated where, how, and when I could fly. Kinda like
my flying freedom I have been enjoying all these "civilian" retirement
years.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet |
> In the spirit of John W.'s request for M.V. photos, I present the list
to sign up, for those and their favorite others, to attend.
>
>
> Driving in:
>
> 1) Mike Welch, with wife, Nancy
>
>
> Flying in:
>
> 1) John Hauck, MKIII, Titus, Alabama
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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> After all, does anyone really care to look at a non-flying "Classic to
Xtra" convert?? It'd be a lot easier to leave it at home.....
>
> Mike Welch
Mike W:
You don't really expect us to answer that question, do you?
If you don't bring it, we'll have to find something else to tear apart.
After all, we have three days to try and stay occupied.
Grading take offs and landings is always a lot a fun as long as we are
really screwing them up. Remember, we have to land to the south and take
off to the north, despite the wind direction or speed. Most of us could
take off to the south, but the hierarchy at Gouldings would probably frown
on that.
If you did, you would not be the first to haul a non-complete Kolb to MV.
john h
mkIII
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet
>
>
> > In the spirit of John W.'s request for M.V. photos, I present the list
> to sign up, for those and their favorite others, to attend.
>>
>>
>> Driving in:
>>
>> 1) Mike Welch, with wife, Nancy
>>
>> 2) Larry and Karen Cottrell with numerous dogs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Flying in:
>>
>> 1) John Hauck, MKIII, Titus, Alabama
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar project |
>
> At 04:53 PM 4/11/08 -0400, you wrote:
>>With a 447 and also meeting the weight and fuel limits, who would bother
>>with the equations?
If you claim to fly an aircraft that is
> 103-7 compliant, it is up to you to prove it. >
>
> But since he is making the effort to meet the weight and fuel
> requirements,
> I assumed his goal was for full compliance.
he may find it difficult to
> remain maximum speed compliant. The drag numbers will be too low and the
> 447 will be too powerful. There are ways around this. First remove the
> full enclosure to increase the drag. Also, one could add a false lift
> strut, and/or one could move to a lower hp engine.
Gang,
Quite frankly even with my distrust of all things Government, I find it
amazing that anyone would purposefully "cripple" an airplane that meets
weight and fuel limits so that they could fly slow enough to meet the speed
requirements for "Ultralight". I know that "Paranoia is just a heightened
sense of reality", but even this goes a bit beyond "anal retentive". Get a
grip guys!
Larry C
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>>> 2) Larry and Karen Cottrell with numerous dogs
Larry C:
You gonna leave the birds, cat, horses, coyotes, jack rabbitts, chickens,
and others, at home?
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet |
Mike and All,
No sign-up is necessary. We compile a list of who actually make it there.
Mine was not a request for MV photos. It is a Photo Contest to submit your best
MV photo to be be judged.
Hope this clears everything up.
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Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS, 1580 hours
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: tail feathers |
william sullivan wrote:
> Found it. The stainless steel brackets got slightly bent in the
> roll-over. I am tone deaf, but they are tight now- a little careful
> re-bending.
> Thanks.
>
> do not archive
>
Be careful of the "careful re-bending". If you are referring to the
little stainless tangs that have one hole on one end and 4 staggered
holes on the other that facilitate adjustment they are not very fond of
being rebent. RANS put out an AD about these tangs having some failures
from being improperly bent or abused (some folks think those cables are
a convenient handle to pull on to move the plane around). Bent and
set-up like the Kolb plans say they will last a long time, if they are
bent and rebent they tend to break across the 4 hole end.
I've attached the RANS AD to this email as they use the same part (not
sure who actually makes them) so you guys can look at it. Just for
information, me and the local guys pulled the cables off of 3 different
planes and inspected with the 10X scope like the AD said and did find 1
tang that was almost completely cracked. These were RANS planes but
like I said they are the same part (by all appearances) and the Kolb
with 1 set of wires instead of 2 would be less tolerant of a failure.
Pulling the bolt and a clean and examine with a magnifying scope sure
doesn't take long to be safe...
Jeremy Casey
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yep! just bringing the dogs, which will cause enough problems for me as it
is.
Larry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet
>
>
> >>> 2) Larry and Karen Cottrell with numerous dogs
>
>
> Larry C:
>
> You gonna leave the birds, cat, horses, coyotes, jack rabbitts, chickens,
> and others, at home?
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> --
> Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tail feathers |
At 01:20 PM 4/15/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>Found it. The stainless steel brackets got slightly bent in the roll-over.
>I am tone deaf, but they are tight now- a little careful re-bending.
Others have pointed out the danger of re-bending... and besides, any bend
out of shape would probably make them tighter, not looser. If there was
that much stress the cables themselves may be stretched, and/or the
thimbles elongated... you might want to consider replacing the cables _and_
tangs, it's fairly simple and inexpensive to do.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar speeds |
At 02:14 PM 4/15/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>I have not been concerned about top speed. I don't like to fly much faster
>than 55 mphi with my head sticking out in the air stream. What I am
>interested in is reduced fuel burn rates and increased range.
Same here... though I'd like to get a tad more cruise speed; 5000 rpm only
gives me 40 mph , the US is pretty draggy.
-Dana
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Hello from Minnesota.
I am trying to help a friend find a good used
Kolb FirestarII or MK3. If you know of any
decent Kolbs out side of regular channels like
Barnstormers, please email me.
Thanks,
Jon LaVasseur
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar speeds |
> Same here... though I'd like to get a tad more cruise speed; 5000 rpm only
> gives me 40 mph , the US is pretty draggy.
>
> -Dana
Dana:
All the two strokes I flew used a standard tuned expansion system for
exhaust. That was the Cuyuna and Rotax two strokes.
My preferred cruise rpm was 5,800 for both brands of engines. That's about
75% power. IIRC max continuos rpm was 6,500 rpm for both brands. These
engines were designed to operate continuously up to and including 6,500 rpm.
Both brands seemed to "come up on the pipe" at 5300 to 5500 rpm. At this
rpm band, the engine would not want to settle down, requiring constant
throttle changes to attempt to maintain constant rpm. Above 5500 the
engines smooths out, gets a crisp feel, as they start producing power in
their tuned power range.
I am a firm believer in running engines hard and making them work in their
designed power range. I think this keeps them cleaner and they will last
longer.
Flying around bogged down, producing carbon and loading the crankcase with
oil residue, IMHO is much harder on the two stroke.
At 5800 rpm my US cruised 65 mph with a 50X30 Jim Culver two blade wooden
prop. My FS cruised the same with a 40 hp 447 and a 60X30 Jim Culver two
blade wooden prop.
Both aircraft flew quite well at slow speeds, stalling at 25 mph. However,
like their big cousin, the MKIII, they had a sweet spot that was quicker and
much more comfortable to fly and play.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar speeds |
At 05:52 PM 4/15/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>My preferred cruise rpm was 5,800 for both brands of engines. That's
>about 75% power. IIRC max continuos rpm was 6,500 rpm for both
>brands. These engines were designed to operate continuously up to and
>including 6,500 rpm.
>
>Both brands seemed to "come up on the pipe" at 5300 to 5500 rpm...
>At 5800 rpm my US cruised 65 mph with a 50X30 Jim Culver two blade wooden
>prop...
Thanks John, I'll have to play some more. I had been thinking 5800 seemed
kind of high, what with the Ultrastar manual talking about 4500 being a
"nice comfortable cruise." 90% of my flying so far has been in the pattern
(I want to get more comfortable with being able to always put it down where
I want to before venturing farther afield), so I haven't had much time to
experiment. Seems unlikely I'll see 65, though, if 5000's only giving me
40 (where my ASI matches a borrowed Hall ASI).
Do you recall what kind of fuel burn you got at 5800? Or what speeds you
used for climb and approach?
-Dana``
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Just an observation,but how many ultra light pilots also ride motorcycles?Of the
guys I fly with regularly,5 of 7.Ordered my Firestar when I was 60,in 1998,sold
it this year cause the wife said could only have one plane,keeping the MK-3.
----- Original Message ----
From: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:43:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Project
On Apr 15, 2008, at 2:17 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> > Several of us have made it past the 60 year mark.
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
>
>
> Jack H:
>
> Me too!
>
> Celebrated my 69th BD flying on the first day of Sun and Fun 2008.
>
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
Jack and John,
Me Three!
I'm not that far from 80 and plan that I will still be taking the
firefly out of the trailer and enjoying the scenery in SW Ohio when I
reach that goal in 2010.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly 370 hrs
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BB
Many thanks for sending this link to the 912S for sale -- will be
interesting to see what it sells for! Do you know if anyone really
inspected it yet?
BTW, I enjoy those 'big ezpen$ive boats' you mentioned, because
people pay me to run them around. BUT do you know they mostly
burn ONE GALLON PER MILE? -- forget that miles-per gallon stuff.
Can't imagine why so many of them are for sale now --
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On Apr 15, 2008, at 1:56 PM, robert bean wrote:
> Maybe someone might be interested:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4cfrx6
>
> BB
> do not archive
>
>
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At 06:41 PM 4/15/2008, gary aman wrote:
>Just an observation,but how many ultra light pilots also ride
>motorcycles?Of the guys I fly with regularly,5 of 7...
After several crashes in my teen years I swore off anything with only two
wheels and a motor... I'll stick to SAFER things like ultralights and
antique airplanes!
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Attendees to Monument Valley Sign-Up sheet |
I'll be there with Will. Might be picking up Dennis if he wants.
C175B 180/CS
someone has to keep an eye on you folks!
John, I have cases of new civilian meals, really good. Interested?
Dave.
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> Do you recall what kind of fuel burn you got at 5800? Or what speeds you
> used for climb and approach?
>
> -Dana``
Dana:
Thinking it was around 3.0 gph for the 35 hp Cuyuna ULII02 and 3.5 to 3.75
gph for the 40 hp 447.
I climbed at whatever felt good and shot my approaches at about 40 mph.
john h
mkIII
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At 07:12 PM 4/15/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>I climbed at whatever felt good and shot my approaches at about 40 mph.
Thanks, that's about where I am right now. 35 "feels good" on climb and 40
feels right on approach.
It's so much fun to see my airplane skills slowly returning... the PPG's
which I've been flying for the past 7 years are a blast, too, but it's a
completely different skill set.
-Dana
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At 07:12 PM 4/15/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>I climbed at whatever felt good and shot my approaches at about 40 mph.
Thanks, that's about where I am right now. 35 "feels good" on climb and 40
feels right on approach.
It's so much fun to see my airplane skills slowly returning... the PPG's
which I've been flying for the past 7 years are a blast, too, but it's a
completely different skill set.
-Dana
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That's why sailboats rule, or will when gas gets to $8.00/gal. All
you need to operate
a powerboat is a full gas tank, a blonde companion and gold chains.
(I see 'em here
every summer with the obnoxious twin V8s and no muffler. The Coast
Guard refuels
them regularly).
With a sailboat all you need is a brain and a breeze.
BB
still dormant MkIII but bowling season just ended.
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On 15, Apr 2008, at 6:44 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> BB
> Many thanks for sending this link to the 912S for sale -- will be
> interesting to see what it sells for! Do you know if anyone really
> inspected it yet?
> BTW, I enjoy those 'big ezpen$ive boats' you mentioned, because
> people pay me to run them around. BUT do you know they mostly
> burn ONE GALLON PER MILE? -- forget that miles-per gallon
> stuff. Can't imagine why so many of them are for sale now --
> do not archive
>
> On Apr 15, 2008, at 1:56 PM, robert bean wrote:
>> Maybe someone might be interested:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4cfrx6
>>
>> BB
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
>> www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest |
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| Subject: | Re: Alternate Firefly engines |
In a message dated 4/15/2008 12:15:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jbhart@onlyinternet.net writes:
I have not been concerned about top speed. I don't like to fly much faster
than 55 mphi with my head sticking out in the air stream. What I am
interested in is reduced fuel burn rates and increased range.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
Hi Jack,
Have you had a chance to make any progress with the mz 34 . I will
be up for another De-carb in about 18 more hours. I would just as soon install
a different engine at that time. I am still looking at the Kawasaki 340,
and the 1/2 vw, and the mz 34. After 88 hours on the 447 I still cannot keep
the egts below 1200 *, at 4400 rpm, without them going down to 975- 1000* at
cruise. I am to the point now I am going to take a little off of the jet
needle in the area of 4400 rpm if I can ever figure out how to compute where that
is.
Ed Diebel
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In a message dated 4/15/2008 12:23:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,
williamtsullivan@att.net writes:
Found it. The stainless steel brackets got slightly bent in the roll-over. I
am tone deaf, but they are tight now- a little careful re-bending.
Thanks.
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Bill,
I dont mean to be an alarmist but I would not be willing to fly with a
stainless tail wire bracket that was bent 45* one way and then 45* the other.
I dont know how much yours have been bent, but stainless steel work hardens
quite rapidly when it is bent and reverse bent. If you make up a new set of
tail wires you will be able to install the adjustable stainless tangs and get
the tension just where you want it. The choice is obviously Yours. Just
something you might want to consider.
Good luck with your project!
Ed Diebel ( FF # 62)
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I wouldn't install a Kawasaki that sure is recipe for some glider time
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 4/15/2008 10:28:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 4/15/2008 12:15:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jbhart@onlyinternet.net writes:
I have not been concerned about top speed. I don't like to fly much faster
than 55 mphi with my head sticking out in the air stream. What I am
interested in is reduced fuel burn rates and increased range.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
Hi Jack,
Have you had a chance to make any progress with the mz 34 . I will
be up for another De-carb in about 18 more hours. I would just as soon install
a different engine at that time. I am still looking at the Kawasaki 340,
and the 1/2 vw, and the mz 34. After 88 hours on the 447 I still cannot keep
the egts below 1200 *, at 4400 rpm, without them going down to 975- 1000* at
cruise. I am to the point now I am going to take a little off of the jet
needle in the area of 4400 rpm if I can ever figure out how to compute where that
is.
Ed Diebel
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In a message dated 4/15/2008 10:43:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ElleryWeld@aol.com writes:
I wouldn't install a Kawasaki that sure is recipe for some glider time
Ellery in Maine
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Ellery,
Just curious as to why you would make a statement like that. Do you
have first hand experience with the Kawasaki? I had a little over 115 hours on
a
440 with zero problems. Never had to mess with jets. Never had to de-carbon
at 50 hours! I could let it Idle for several minutes without it loading up.
It always started easy and ran and idled smoothly. The Kawasaki was the
engine of choice before I ever heard of Rotax. They also have a Nikasil coating
on the piston/ cylinder. What experience have you had with a Kawasaki ?
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Kolb MK111 serial number M3-24 Delivered Sept 91 and ready to fly April
93 and 820 hrs work later. { not by me}I purchased the plane with 60hrs
TT.503 rotax with about 360 hours on it now and still going strong.
Regards
Tony
Downunder
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From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:58 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Tony's Kolb
Nice plan.e, Tony. Exactly what model, age, engine?
I'm 58, beer interferes with my drugs, and I still look at women, but
can't remember why.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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