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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: decarbon check advice (Jimmy Young)
2. 03:17 AM - Re: expert in everything (pj.ladd)
3. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: Acme Gravity Catapult (pj.ladd)
4. 09:51 AM - Re: expert in everything (lucien)
5. 10:34 AM - Re: Kolb-list 2008 MV Photo Contest (TheWanderingWench)
6. 12:02 PM - Re: Firestar Project (chris davis)
7. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: expert in everything (N27SB@aol.com)
8. 01:50 PM - Re: Homer Kolb (David Lucas)
9. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: expert in everything (John Hauck)
10. 02:01 PM - Re: tail feathers (Thom Riddle)
11. 02:09 PM - Re: expert in everything (Thom Riddle)
12. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Homer Kolb (robert bean)
13. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: expert in everything (TheWanderingWench)
14. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: expert in everything (Russ Kinne)
15. 07:41 PM - Re: expert in everything (JetPilot)
16. 07:54 PM - Re: Homer Kolb (JetPilot)
17. 08:19 PM - MV Photo Contest (John Hauck)
18. 10:26 PM - Re: expert in everything (lucien)
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| Subject: | Re: Re: decarbon check advice |
Lucien, Gary, & Possums-
My engine has 190 hrs., oil injected, & elect. start (someone asked). I
do have movement on the rings and oil flows when they are pressed, so
I'm calling it good. Thanks for the tips.
I'm going to a 2-stroke engine class early in May at S. Miss. Light
Aircraft, hopefully will learn most of what I'll need to know.
Jimmy Young
FS II, 503 DCDI
Houston
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
Of course, Murphy may have something to say about!>>
Hi John,
have you seen the clip on Youtube of the chute deploying just as a
weightshift leaves the ground? Enough to make you wonder.
Chutes are almost non existant over here. I used to have one on my old
Thruster but didn`t continue when I swithched to the Challenger. I don`t
think I have ever seen one fitted in the UK. On the other hand I believe
that they are mandatory in Germany.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Acme Gravity Catapult |
If, on approach, the trash can lid appears above the corrugated roofing
iron then your ' too low' on profile a!pproach.
This reminded me of my `flight` in a 737 simulator.
I was supposed to be landing at very late evening in poor visibility at
Gatwick and there was an arrangement of three lights one above the other at
the left of the runway. These in combination indicated the glideslope. I was
doing reasonably well although the `flight` illusion was complete and I was
sweating like a bull as I thought of the consequences of a crashing an
airliner and killing all those passengers.
I had the lights all lined up and was on track for a spot on landing when I
glanced at the instruments and fouind that I was at 400 feet with 5 miles to
run (those are probably not the correct figures) To someone whose usual
landing technique is turn left at the elm tree, one notch of flap and close
the throttle that was mindblowing. I totally lost my nerve, yanked back the
control column and hit full throttle.
We landed in a nerve shattering crash on the end of the runway with the
whole sim shaking like a rat in a terriers jaws.
I was astonished to find later that in spite of landing the plane in a heap
I scored the best landing. Out of 8 participants I was the only one to hit
the runway at all.
When the hostess comes around your flight asking if anyone can fly a plane
because the crew are all dead from food poisoning, keep your mouth shut.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> Of course, Murphy may have something to say about!>>
>
> Hi John,
>
> have you seen the clip on Youtube of the chute deploying just as a
> weightshift leaves the ground? Enough to make you wonder.
>
> Chutes are almost non existant over here. I used to have one on my old
> Thruster but didn`t continue when I swithched to the Challenger. I don`t
> think I have ever seen one fitted in the UK. On the other hand I believe
> that they are mandatory in Germany.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
My .02 on the chute,
The biggest con of the chute is what the original poster alluded to - actual deployment
and descent to the ground can't be actually practiced in the air.
The lifeblood of emergency procedures is actual practice of them in the air in
the airplane. Engine-outs, unusual attitudes and so forth; all of these we can
go up in the airplane and practice under actual conditions.
Emergency procedures that can't be practiced or even simulated to any degree aren't
worth very much - as we know in an actual emergency training takes priority
over thinking the situation through.
So I personally don't see a large value to fitting the ballistic chutes to our
planes, particularly to good designs like the ones we fly. There is a remote possibility
that the chute could save your life in a very extreme circumstance,
but because of the very small likelihood of encountering such a situation, I
personally don't think it's worth 3000 bucks.
3000 bucks will buy lots of maintenance items, as well as gas for practicing flying
the plane in more "simulatable" emergency scenarios like engine-outs and
such.
Again, JMHO,
LS
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LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-list 2008 MV Photo Contest |
--- Jon LaVasseur <firestar503@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I probably shouldn't enter the attach photos in
> the contest because I didn't actually take them.
> They were taken by Arty Trost at MV in 2007.
> John W, if I win the $10,000.00 first prize, I'll
> share it with Arty.
>
> Jon L
WOW! I almost hope Jon wins the first prize. BUT -
if the judges aren't prejudiced because this shot is
of my Drifter :>) at the 2006 disorganized MV fly-in,
then I'll have to share the prize money with Doug
Nelsen, who took this photo.
Wish I was going to be there this year, but I won't.
I'll have to depend on the Cottrells, John Williamson
& John Hauck to bring lots of good photos back to the
Rock House.
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com
"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"
Helen Keller
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
Dave , I dont know if we have met but I am an experienced Kolb pilot who also lives
in O'Brien Fl. for about 3months a year . 22004 117Th drive ,and I am building
a new Firefly in my New Quonset hut Hanger . Good advice you gave that guy
but if he cant find a two place ultralight to get time in I recommend he get
some time in a Switzer 233 a glider really teaches what Flight is all about
. Chris
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:35:37 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Project
WE have a fairly new Kolb Owner in O'Brian Fl
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Have Your Brother In Law Get Some Dual in a taildragger Ultralight FIRST !!!
How do I know this ... "Personal Experiance"
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
Nice thought, certianly something to think about as you watch the houses on
the ground get bigger. But seriously, you are forgetting the rest of the
formula. I fly sans windshield. If I take a bird in the face the plane may be
perfectly functional but I might be flying blind. No way to land that sucker.
There are other situations when a chute would help of which an engine out is
not on my list. There was an excrllent article a few years ago in Sport
Pilot.
Steve
FF #007/floats
FF #040/floats SnF 2008 UL Grand Champ
In a message dated 4/19/2008 12:52:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lstavenhagen@hotmail.com writes:
So I personally don't see a large value to fitting the ballistic chutes to
our planes, particularly to good designs like the ones we fly. There is a
remote possibility that the chute could save your life in a very extreme
circumstance, but because of the very small likelihood of encountering such a
situation, I personally don't think it's worth 3000 bucks.
3000 bucks will buy lots of maintenance items, as well as gas for practicing
flying the plane in more "simulatable" emergency scenarios like engine-outs
and such.
Again, JMHO,
LS
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If twin engines pose a classification problem, how about a single engine driving
two props ?
David.
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
> My .02 on the chute,
>
> The biggest con of the chute is what the original poster alluded to -
> actual deployment and descent to the ground can't be actually practiced in
> the air.
>
> The lifeblood of emergency procedures is actual practice of them in the
> air in the airplane. Engine-outs, unusual attitudes and so forth; all of
> these we can go up in the airplane and practice under actual conditions.
>
> Emergency procedures that can't be practiced or even simulated to any
> degree aren't worth very much - as we know in an actual emergency training
> takes priority over thinking the situation through.
>
> So I personally don't see a large value to fitting the ballistic chutes to
> our planes, particularly to good designs like the ones we fly. There is a
> remote possibility that the chute could save your life in a very extreme
> circumstance, but because of the very small likelihood of encountering
> such a situation, I personally don't think it's worth 3000 bucks.
>
> 3000 bucks will buy lots of maintenance items, as well as gas for
> practicing flying the plane in more "simulatable" emergency scenarios like
> engine-outs and such.
>
> Again, JMHO,
>
> LS
Lucien:
Anyone that can fly a Kolb can land it in an emergency situation without
power. Of course, parachutes are not for that type emergency.
My first save was a catastrophic failure of the upper aileron bell crank in
my US, October 1985. Before the use of my parachute for the first time, my
attitude was much the same as yours. I can handle the situation, plus this
is a factory welded kit and it has never happened before. Guess I was a
little wrong in that respect, but right in having another way to save my
life. Kolbs do not fly long without aileron control.
Second catastrophic failure was even more of a surprise than the first.
Failure of leading edges of both wings on my FS 4.5 years later. Sure, I
flew aerobatics in the FS, as well as the US. However, all within the
authorized stress envelope of the aircraft. The wing was the last thing we
ever thought would fail. Without the same old Handbury parachute, my flying
career would have been permanently ended March 1990.
We don't need to actually practice parachute deployment in the air to
receive valuable familiarization and training. It can be done in the
cockpit of the airplane. Know how to grab and pull the handle with your
eyes closed without thinking about it. When the time comes to use it, do
not hesitate. Time is altitude. Altitude is safety. No matter what
altitude, use it if you are no longer in control of the aircraft.
To think there is not a catastrophic failure in the future of your Kolb or
any other aircraft is pretty naive.
Even though the odds of ever using a parachute in a catastrophic event are
pretty damn slim, when the time comes to use one and you felt it was too
expensive to purchase, and you don't have one, will probably really piss you
off. Don't worry about screaming all the way to the ground, you'll be so
damn scared no sounds will be emitted. If you are like me, you are
thinking, "I don't believe this is happening to me." and "Damn, I don't
believe this is happening to me again."
I have hauled an expensive piece of equipment with me for nearly 3,000
hours, and have not needed it.
If that 10 cent 3/16 bolt on the bottom flying wires breaks, or the nut
comes off, I have a way to offset the problem.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
PS: No matter how reliable your aircraft, a midair will ruin your day, with
or without a parachute. Could possibly save your life though.
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| Subject: | Re: tail feathers |
The tail wires have a single function and purpose. They hold the vertical and horizontal
stabilizers in constant relative position, so that don't flap like bird
wings. The wires should be tight enough to perform this function without any
wobble and no tighter, for reasons already expressed by others.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
A good alternative to mortar powered chutes are the ones made and sold by these
folks in BC, Canada.
http://www.ultralight.ca/recovery/default1.htm
They have a lot of good accessory products and at one time also made the GSC System
wooden props. I understand they sold the prop business to one of their ex-employees
who now runs it. I had their mechanically actuated in-flight adjustable
prop on my Tornado. Very good prop in my experience.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
--------------------
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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Interesting. That would take care of some harmonic issues and clear
a more properly located
boom tube, On the downside is added weight and maintenance.
BB, suzi powered MkIII, back at work on the most recent mod. Too hot
outside but nice in the cave.
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On 19, Apr 2008, at 4:47 PM, David Lucas wrote:
>
> If twin engines pose a classification problem, how about a single
> engine driving two props ?
>
> David.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177875#177875
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/april07_026a_165.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
Lucien, I disagree with your statement "Emergency
procedures that can't be practiced or even simulated
to any degree aren't worth very much." (In relation
to the value of a parachute.)
A friend of mine had structural failure on his Tierra
ultralight when flying @ 1500' AGL and pulled the
handle of his BRS chute. He had never "practiced" -
but he had no trouble in getting the parachute to
launch. Came down on the tail with no injury to
himself - just scared to death. It made me a believer
in emergency chutes. Just another form of insurance,
which I hope I'll never have to use.
Since I'm pretty small - I have only 15 lbs. over the
much-written about 90 lb. weakling! - I've often
wondered if I'd have the strength to pull the handle
and launch the chute on my Drifter. But it's way too
expensive for me to try it out, and friends have
assured me that the adrenalin rush will give me the
strength of 10 when it comes to pulling that handle!
Arty Trost
Maxair Drifter
Sandy, Oregon
> > My .02 on the chute,
> >
> > The biggest con of the chute is what the original
> poster alluded to -
> > actual deployment and descent to the ground can't
> be actually practiced in
> > the air.
> >
> > The lifeblood of emergency procedures is actual
> practice of them in the
> > air in the airplane. Engine-outs, unusual
> attitudes and so forth; all of
> > these we can go up in the airplane and practice
> under actual conditions.
> >
> > Emergency procedures that can't be practiced or
> even simulated to any
> > degree aren't worth very much - as we know in an
> actual emergency training
> > takes priority over thinking the situation
> through.
> >
> > So I personally don't see a large value to fitting
> the ballistic chutes to
> > our planes, particularly to good designs like the
> ones we fly. There is a
> > remote possibility that the chute could save your
> life in a very extreme
> > circumstance, but because of the very small
> likelihood of encountering
> > such a situation, I personally don't think it's
> worth 3000 bucks.
> >
> > 3000 bucks will buy lots of maintenance items, as
> well as gas for
> > practicing flying the plane in more "simulatable"
> emergency scenarios like
> > engine-outs and such.
> >
> > Again, JMHO,
> >
> > LS
>
> Lucien:
>
> Anyone that can fly a Kolb can land it in an
> emergency situation without
> power. Of course, parachutes are not for that type
> emergency.
>
> My first save was a catastrophic failure of the
> upper aileron bell crank in
> my US, October 1985. Before the use of my parachute
> for the first time, my
> attitude was much the same as yours. I can handle
> the situation, plus this
> is a factory welded kit and it has never happened
> before. Guess I was a
> little wrong in that respect, but right in having
> another way to save my
> life. Kolbs do not fly long without aileron
> control.
>
> Second catastrophic failure was even more of a
> surprise than the first.
> Failure of leading edges of both wings on my FS 4.5
> years later. Sure, I
> flew aerobatics in the FS, as well as the US.
> However, all within the
> authorized stress envelope of the aircraft. The
> wing was the last thing we
> ever thought would fail. Without the same old
> Handbury parachute, my flying
> career would have been permanently ended March 1990.
>
> We don't need to actually practice parachute
> deployment in the air to
> receive valuable familiarization and training. It
> can be done in the
> cockpit of the airplane. Know how to grab and pull
> the handle with your
> eyes closed without thinking about it. When the
> time comes to use it, do
> not hesitate. Time is altitude. Altitude is safety.
> No matter what
> altitude, use it if you are no longer in control of
> the aircraft.
>
> To think there is not a catastrophic failure in the
> future of your Kolb or
> any other aircraft is pretty naive.
>
> Even though the odds of ever using a parachute in a
> catastrophic event are
> pretty damn slim, when the time comes to use one and
> you felt it was too
> expensive to purchase, and you don't have one, will
> probably really piss you
> off. Don't worry about screaming all the way to the
> ground, you'll be so
> damn scared no sounds will be emitted. If you are
> like me, you are
> thinking, "I don't believe this is happening to me."
> and "Damn, I don't
> believe this is happening to me again."
>
> I have hauled an expensive piece of equipment with
> me for nearly 3,000
> hours, and have not needed it.
>
> If that 10 cent 3/16 bolt on the bottom flying wires
> breaks, or the nut
> comes off, I have a way to offset the problem.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> PS: No matter how reliable your aircraft, a midair
> will ruin your day, with
> or without a parachute. Could possibly save your
> life though.
>
>
>
> browse
> Un/Subscription,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>
> Forums!
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
LUCIEN
DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT MY LIFE IS WORTH A LOT MORE THAN A MEASLY
3000 BUCKS.
IF I CAN HAVE A RESCUE CHUTE ON ANYTHING I FLY, I'LL BLOODY WELL
HAVE IT. COUNT ON IT
I'M DETERMINED TO LIVE AS LONG AS I CAN.
YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT
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On Apr 19, 2008, at 12:48 PM, lucien wrote:
>
>
> pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
>> Of course, Murphy may have something to say about!>>
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> have you seen the clip on Youtube of the chute deploying just as a
>> weightshift leaves the ground? Enough to make you wonder.
>>
>> Chutes are almost non existant over here. I used to have one on my
>> old
>> Thruster but didn`t continue when I swithched to the Challenger. I
>> don`t
>> think I have ever seen one fitted in the UK. On the other hand I
>> believe
>> that they are mandatory in Germany.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>
>
> My .02 on the chute,
>
> The biggest con of the chute is what the original poster alluded to
> - actual deployment and descent to the ground can't be actually
> practiced in the air.
>
> The lifeblood of emergency procedures is actual practice of them in
> the air in the airplane. Engine-outs, unusual attitudes and so
> forth; all of these we can go up in the airplane and practice under
> actual conditions.
>
> Emergency procedures that can't be practiced or even simulated to
> any degree aren't worth very much - as we know in an actual
> emergency training takes priority over thinking the situation through.
>
> So I personally don't see a large value to fitting the ballistic
> chutes to our planes, particularly to good designs like the ones we
> fly. There is a remote possibility that the chute could save your
> life in a very extreme circumstance, but because of the very small
> likelihood of encountering such a situation, I personally don't
> think it's worth 3000 bucks.
>
> 3000 bucks will buy lots of maintenance items, as well as gas for
> practicing flying the plane in more "simulatable" emergency
> scenarios like engine-outs and such.
>
> Again, JMHO,
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> FS II
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177854#177854
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
Lucien,
You beliefs about parachutes and emergencies are very misguided. Emergency procedure
like engine out landings are complicated with a lot of variables and must
be practiced to be done correctly. Stall / Spin recovery also requires skill
and technique that should be practiced.
Pulling a handle on a chute is not something that needs to be practiced to be done
successfully. Pull the handle and it comes out, not a lot of skill involved.
The chute is going to deploy by itself once the handle is pulled, the technique
I use to pull pull that handle, how hard or how fast I am going to pull
the handle is not going to change a damn thing, the chute come out the same...
BRS Chutes have been a huge success in Cirrus aircraft. There are also over 200
saves listed on:
http://www.brsparachutes.com/files/Documents/Lives-Saved.pdf
If someone is unable to grasp the concept of pulling a big red handle just because
there is no way to practice it, they should probably not be flying.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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David Lucas wrote:
> If twin engines pose a classification problem, how about a single engine driving
two props ?
>
> David.
There is always someone out there that will try something very stupid, and driving
2 props with a single engine is definitely one of them. It just adds complication,
and increases chances of failures, while offering no safety advantage.
The whole idea of twin engines is to be able to fly the plane if one engine quits,
even if the second engine results in an extended glide, you have something...
With a single engine and two props, you have every disadvantage of complication,
and asymmetrical thrust and with no advantage of two engines.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | MV Photo Contest |
I was rummaging through my files and found this one of MV. Do not know what
year, but it was taken from my MKIII by me.
johnh
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: expert in everything |
JetPilot wrote:
> Lucien,
>
> You beliefs about parachutes and emergencies are very misguided.
>
> If someone is unable to grasp the concept of pulling a big red handle just because
there is no way to practice it, they should probably not be flying.
>
> Mike
Heh... I usually get hate mail when I mention my viewpoint on the chutes, this
time followed suit nicely....
As for the ongoing discussion of the chute, I'm going to stop at this point to
avoid the inevitable jousting that will surely break out. Instead, I'll refer
anyone interested to the yahoo groups, such as Fly-UL, where there have been very
extensive threads on the pros and cons of the ballistic chutes. Most of them
eventually got out of hand and the end, but still contain lots of valuable
reasoning on both sides.
LS
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LS
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