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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Dead Stick Video (N111KX (Kip))
2. 05:47 AM - Wheel pants (thumb)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Dead Stick Video (N111KX (Kip))
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Internet connection speeds vs. photos (TK)
5. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: Wing design and other stuff (Ron Hoyt)
6. 01:06 PM - Re: Internet connection speeds vs. photos (henry.voris)
7. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun 2008 (John Hauck)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Dead Stick and other Videos (Thom Riddle)
9. 02:23 PM - Re: Wheel pants (Mike Welch)
10. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun 2008 (Russ Kinne)
11. 02:39 PM - Mark11 (pj.ladd)
12. 03:49 PM - Fw: Re: Sun N Fun 2008 (Russ Kinne)
13. 03:53 PM - Re: Mark11 (Russ Kinne)
14. 04:16 PM - Re: Mark11 (robert bean)
15. 07:18 PM - Re: Mark11 (TK)
16. 08:41 PM - Internet connection vs. photos (TK)
17. 10:31 PM - Re: Re: Dead Stick Video (Dan G.)
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Video |
I just added another video. It's a bit shakey but I'm working on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y79352Iqk-A
Kip
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Kip
Firestar II (born September 2000)
Atlanta, GA
N111KX
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Hey Guy's...
I need some help and advice on how to install wheel pants. I have
the Matco aluminum wheels and breaks on my Mk111xtra. Any help and
pictures of how you fabricated the mounting brackets would be great.
Just send them to me off the Kolb list.
Thanks..
Bill Futrell
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Video |
N111KX (Kip) wrote:
> Hello, all. It's been a while but I have busy in the shop with the Waiex. I've
logged 750+ hours with the wings and most of the fuse done. Hopefully it will
be on the gear in a week or so and flying sometime in the fall or winter.
> My Firestar still gets plenty of attention and even has a Quickie 1 as a hangar
mate (which will be restored when the Waiex is done).
> I tried to post this video a while back but was unsucessful but then Youtube
came along. I forget how high I was but 3000' sounds about right.
> Anyway, here is some summer quiet flying...
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=qDrq_VTPtA4
>
> Kip
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Kip
Firestar II (born September 2000)
Atlanta, GA
N111KX
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| Subject: | Re: Internet connection speeds vs. photos |
henry.voris wrote:
> I don't have an IP. I snag wireless connections from wherever I can get it (broadband
thief). That means my connection can very from pretty quick to painfully
slow (sub-dial-up)...
>
>
> --------
> Henry
> Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
And you feel free to lecture me on what is appropriate? At least I pay
for my snail-mail connection! I think that is the description of
"situational ethics"!
Terry - FireFly #95
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wing design and other stuff |
Mike
I just read your e-mail on the droop wing tips. Thought you might like
seeing my wing development and tip fabrication activity. (The photos are
compressed because the list rejected the originals)
Ron
Mike Welch wrote:
> Mike,
> I don't know how long you're wings are, but mine were built to
> standard MkIII Classic (there wasn't an Xtra when I built my wings).
> As you are aware, the trailing edge tube is full length. The leading
> edge stops about 2 feet short and then begins the "bow" tip. Prior to
> any wing tip mods, my wings were 13' 7" at the trailing edge (after
> mods, they still are.) Of course, you don't get the full length of
> true airfoil on a standard wing, because once you begin the bow tip,
> you encounter all that loss of "air" I was talking about.
> My 6" tubular wing spar ended at about 11 feet 8 inches (and then at
> the front, the bow tip curve began). The trailing edge tube continues
> for another 23". To make the modification, this entire length is what
> I kept. First, I removed the bow tip, and all the skinny diagonal
> reinforcement tubes. (Remember, I don't have fabric, yet. More on this
> later.)
> Next, I made an extension to the leading edge tube, to match the
> length of the trailing edge. I will now have the entire 13' 7" of full
> shaped airfoil.
> While I was waiting on the epoxy resin to harden on the droop tip
> plugs, I began building the truss extension. At first, I began using
> aluminum. But within minutes I could see it would take me days to go
> that route. Cutting the shaped tubes, making plates to mount them,
> etc., etc. No can do!! Then I thought "hey, why not chromoly" Not too
> heavy. Easy as hell to simply cut web tubes and weld in place. Try it.
> So I cut the lengths (32 inches each, top and bottom), and cut some
> web diagonals, and tacked them in place. Fast, fast fast. Welded all
> the locations, ground them smooth. Best idea, yet. In the "up and
> down" direction, this SOB is SOLID!!!
> Slide it in the 6" spar eleven inches, bolt it in place, and it will
> easily carry just the last two feet of wing. BTW, although I haven't
> done it yet, I will weld several tabs to this truss, for the diagonal
> braces. I am very comfortable with the internal structure of the wing
> extension. It damn sure will get the job done!!
> Regarding the "last rib". I built it with aluminum stock that I had on
> hand. I used some angle aluminum. If I were to do it again, I would
> buy some 1" wide FLAT alum. strap X 1/8" thick. Your end rib can NOT
> be made of tubes, like all the other ribs.
> My wingspan was originally close to 30' 2". The only addition is just
> the tips, about 6" each.
> With regard to my crash, I restored an older Wizard ultralight. It
> looks like a Quicksilver.
> I had "some" pilot training years earlier, and thought that would be
> enough to allow me to do some crow hops. I was doing fine all day, but
> not really ever in complete control. As I added power, it climbed. But
> this scared me, so I held just enough airspeed to stay aloft (riding
> on the edge of stall all day). Eventually, fate will catch up with
> that plan! I started drifting away from the runway, and toward some
> trees. As I tried to turn back to the runway, I just nosed in, into
> the dirt. Crumpled the nosegear, etc. Hurt so goddamn much I thought I
> WAS dying!! I wiped out one of the reinforced downtubes with my neck.
> This twisted my back beyond anything I have ever done before. My pain
> was in the red, on the "shit-o-meter"!!
> Analysis. All this was MY fault. The ultralight flew just fine. Good
> friend and pilot, Lou Wetzel flew it earlier, prior to me. _The fault
> lies with the idiot in the pilot seat not flying the damn plane!!! _ I
> don't want to EVER want to hurt that bad again! I have since then
> gotten my pilot's license. However, I also don't want to ASSUME
> anything anymore. Even prior to flying my MkIII I will try and find
> someone who will share some MkIII flying time with me.
> BTW, how did YOU manage to solo your Xtra? I'll be honest with you, it
> scares the livin' bu'jesus out of me to think about soloing my plane.
> I think I'm a pretty good pilot in my Cessna, but I found out what can
> happen if you aren't correct.
> Yes, I think you can add droop tips. BUT!!!!
> With regard to you making the droop tip conversion to YOUR plane. I
> would NOT alter anything on your present wing. DO NOT CUT ANYTHING. If
> you do, you'll open up such a shitstorm of grief you won't believe it!
> It would be easier to build brand new wings, at that point! Once you
> cut the fabric along the outer edge, the entire wing loses it's tension.
> That would be so much work I wouldn't even want to think about it!
> What you CAN do is like I suggested a while back. Build the droop tip
> design completely around your finished wing. This would be absolutely
> EASY. But Kolbs droop tips, get some of that aluminum flat strap,
> etc....build a solid substructure, making it look like you have full
> airfoil all the way to the end, fabric, paint, slide on tips...you're
> done. You don't need to add any 6" spar, because your wing isn't
> carrying any more lift requirement than it did prior to addition of
> droop tips, except you will no longer have "spilled" air.
> Put simplistically, you'd build your droop tip addition AROUND your
> present wing. Cheap, easy and just as effective as if you built them
> that way in the first place. Plus, NO ONE would ever know you had
> stock wings inside your droop tip wings. *_That penalty would be
> several ounces of aluminum and fabric that were left inside your new
> shape. Big deal!!!!_*
> After working with Poly Fiber recently, I am even more convinced this
> is the best way. Like I said, if you cut that outer edge fabric,
> you're in for a total wing rebuild. $$$$$$$$
> An expression like "you're screwed!!" comes to mind!!
> More later, when I can post some pictures....
> Mike Welch
> BTW, With VGs, which are a hellava good idea, I would think your stall
> could be down to about 22-23 mph, with MORE aileron control (due to
> the droop tips). You are already getting better aileron control from
> the VGs.
>
>
> */JetPilot /* wrote:
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I think you are right on about the Wingtips, and you are
> definitely right on about increasing safety any time you can lower
> the approach and stall speeds in your Kolb. Are you adding any
> length to your wings ? What will your total wingspan be ?
>
> I am also going to add the wingtips to my Kolb, but I don't have
> the time or the skill to make fiberglass ones, so I will have to
> wait for Kolb to start selling them. At the same time I am putting
> on the new wingtips, I will also add 2 feet of spar to each
> wingtip to make the wings as long as the new Kolb MK
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>
> *
>
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>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Internet connection speeds vs. photos |
Terry,
Intention is a difficult thing to project in text...
When I referred to myself as a "broadband thief" my intentions were:
A. To poke a fun at myself, so to avoid insulting you by seeming to be pontificating
from on high... (Perhaps I should ask JetPilot to compose my next submission...)
B. To avoid a longwinded explanation of why the speed of my internet connection
varies so greatly.
As boring as it may seem, I am stealing bandwidth from no one.
My intentions in opening this thread were:
A. To share with others who suffer with a slow connection, the technique I use
to avoid having my computer hang up while downloading unwanted photos.
B. To give courage to those who wish to post photos to the list... When complaints
are raised about photos there is a chilling effect... Members not wanting
to appear arrogant or inconsiderate start requesting that photos and data be sent
to them "off list", depriving the rest of the members (and lurkers) of the
list the chance to access potentially valuable information.
I believe the intention of this list is to freely exchange our information and
experiences for the benefit of all who wish to access it. I believe that the use
of thumbnails and photos is one of the finest tools we have at hand.
It was never my intent to lecture, insult or belittle you. If you feel that I have,
I apologize...
I know you are an intelligent person because you drive a FireFly, the finest aircraft
on this list (not looking for an argument from all those "untralight wann-a-bees"
(ultra-fats) out there).
Good Luck and Aloha.
Fly Safe...
--------
Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2008 |
> Hey John H, What were you pointing at ?
>
> David. :-)
Hi David L:
I don't know. ;-)
Think this photo was snapped during the Manufacurers Showcase. I was flying
30 mph, 45 degrees of flaps, and being very gentle with the control stick at
that very low altitude.
Did you take that photo David? Was shot from the south back to the north?
Looks like the Fly Market Tent in the background.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick and other Videos |
That dead stick video motivated me to finally do something I've been thinking about
for awhile. Yesterday I flew to a nearby airport that rarely sees traffic
and did an overhead approach from about 1800 feet AGL, with the engine off and
prop stopped. The factory (Allegro) says that best glide speed is 70 mph so
I set up a glide at that IAS, made two complete 360 degree circles and saw that
I was going to be a bit high when crossing the threshold and added full flaps,
touching down around mid-field.
I've done engine off, prop stopped glides before but only on final. What amazed
me is the large difference in descent rate with prop stopped compared to idle
power glide under same conditions. At idle power the descent rate is 400 fpm
but at the same speed with prop stopped it was 700 fpm. Moral of the story, as
some have urged on this list before, is that you don't really know how an airplane
will perform with the engine and prop stopped until you test it in a safe
environment.
The advertised glide ratio for the Allegro is 12 to 1 but my testing showed it
to be about 8 to 1 (70 IAS on my ASI is about 65 mph TAS). I suspect it will better
at higher speeds but won't know for sure until I test it again. BTW, with
idle power 400 fpm yields about 14 to 1 glide ratio.
I will do this test at various glide speeds with the FS when I finish the rebuild.
Obviously, at idle power some thrust (or a lot less drag) is being produced than
with prop stopped. There is a theoretical prop/engine rpm that equates to zero
thrust for each glide speed and prop ptich. For those interested, I've attached
a spreadsheet that calculates this theoretical prop/engine rpm for a given
prop pitch and glide speed. Any rpm below this zero thrust rpm will result in
more drag and any rpm above this zero thrust rpm will net some thrust.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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Bill,
There were quite a few posts recently regarding mounting wheel pants. Most of
them were on April 5th & 6th. If you can go back and look at you Kolb inbox
on those dates you will find what you're looking for.
If you have any trouble pulling them up, let me know. I will forward them to
you.
Mike Welch
Kolb MkIII with newly installed wheel pants!!
________________________________
From: bill_joe@bellsouth.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Wheel pants
Hey Guy's...
I need some help and advice on how to install wheel pants. I have the Matco
aluminum wheels and breaks on my Mk111xtra. Any help and pictures of how you
fabricated the mounting brackets would be great. Just send them to me off the
Kolb list.
Thanks..
Bill Futrell
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2008 |
List
You've prolly seen this, of Oshkosh. There's a red Kolb in there,
briefly.
But be warned; this is a HUGE file. Would take about a week on dial-up.
But some great stuff in there.
do not archive
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You are not going to believe this. I finally made it back into the air
today. Two 15 minutes circuits. One b-----y terrible landing and one
reasonable one.
I crashed the plane 21/07/06 Seeems a long time ago.
What looked at first as just a wing rebuild escalated into a new cage
and consequent total replacement of all connections and fittings. In
fact everything is new except the boom and the tail feathers.
The PFA insisted on treating the rebuilt plane as new. Which it was I
suppose. By the time the plane was rebuilt and checked out my flying
license had expired. Finally got the plane and myself signed off just
before Christmas. The check flight was the first time I had flown since
the accident. Since then, weather, holidays, weather, weather has kept
me confined to taxy trials.
Today was grey but the wind was around 5 mph and cloudbase was around
1800 ft. I checked and found that I had only managed about 5 hours in
the Kolb before the crunch so I was hardly what you call experienced.
Anyway, with a gulp and a little prayer that the various changes of C of
G I had made were going to pan out OK away we went. Off the ground
easily a slightly lumpy climb out, particularly when taking off the flap
(that is a terrible system) and a few minutes trimming and doing a few
fairly sedate turns, round the circuit and into an awful landing. As the
first solo landing since July `06 I don`t suppose it was really that
bad.
Another circuit and a much better landing and I tucked her away and
rushed off to a Rotary lunch.
Away again all next week so next weekend is the next opportunity but
anyway I have broken my duck. Hooray The Wx is pretty poor anyway
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2008 |
Have no idea why the bloody confuser didn't take this the first time
do not archive
> http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1412255721?
> bctid=1381694270
>
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Russ Kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com>
> Date: April 25, 2008 5:25:54 PM EDT
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Sun N Fun 2008
>
>
> List
> You've prolly seen this, of Oshkosh. There's a red Kolb in there,
> briefly.
> But be warned; this is a HUGE file. Would take about a week on
> dial-up.
> But some great stuff in there.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS, PAT!! -- we're all very happy for you. No
holding you back now --
do not archive
>
>
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Welcome back Pat. Be careful of those buildings in the future.
On 25, Apr 2008, at 5:36 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> You are not going to believe this. I finally made it back into the
> air today. Two 15 minutes circuits. One b-----y terrible landing
> and one reasonable one.
>
> I crashed the plane 21/07/06 Seeems a long time ago.
>
> What looked at first as just a wing rebuild escalated into a new
> cage and consequent total replacement of all connections and
> fittings. In fact everything is new except the boom and the tail
> feathers.
>
> The PFA insisted on treating the rebuilt plane as new. Which it was
> I suppose. By the time the plane was rebuilt and checked out my
> flying license had expired. Finally got the plane and myself signed
> off just before Christmas. The check flight was the first time I
> had flown since the accident. Since then, weather, holidays,
> weather, weather has kept me confined to taxy trials.
>
> Today was grey but the wind was around 5 mph and cloudbase was
> around 1800 ft. I checked and found that I had only managed about 5
> hours in the Kolb before the crunch so I was hardly what you call
> experienced. Anyway, with a gulp and a little prayer that the
> various changes of C of G I had made were going to pan out OK away
> we went. Off the ground easily a slightly lumpy climb out,
> particularly when taking off the flap (that is a terrible system)
> and a few minutes trimming and doing a few fairly sedate turns,
> round the circuit and into an awful landing. As the first solo
> landing since July `06 I don`t suppose it was really that bad.
> Another circuit and a much better landing and I tucked her away and
> rushed off to a Rotary lunch.
> Away again all next week so next weekend is the next opportunity
> but anyway I have broken my duck. Hooray The Wx is pretty poor anyway
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
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pj.ladd wrote:
> You are not going to believe this. I finally made it back into the
> air today. Two 15 minutes circuits. One b-----y terrible landing and
> one reasonable one.
Pat,
Good on you!!! You will be the better pilot for all of your trouble and
determination!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Internet connection vs. photos |
Henry,
Thank you for the response! I do agree that intentions are not always
clear on the internet. My intentions were to have the other members of
this list be more considerate of those without the newest and fastest
servers available. I thought I had detected a condescending note in
some of the post about those with limited access to the Kolb List and
their ability to deal with large format pictures. Ergo my post!
I live in a beautiful place called Lancaster County, PA where we have
many Amish ( Plain people) amongst us. We "English" have to tolerate
their driving their horse and buggy vehicles on our roads and there are
many that complain loudly about the inconvenience it causes them. To
the Amish, even a bicycle is a fast moving object much lest our cars.
The benefit of having them among us far out weighs the inconvenience
they cause on the roadways! Those of us who live with them have learn
to be tolerant of their choice of life style and give them due respect
on the roads which sometimes causes delay and safety hazards.
I cannot access high speed even if I wanted to. The nearest cable line
is 1-1/2 miles away and "they" won't consider running the line my way.
Not enough houses, so they say. I also live on the North side of a hill
in the woods which precludes satellite reception. All I was asking for
is some reasonable consideration from the others on the Kolb List. John
W. posting of JPG.s of the Monument Valley group is not a problem and
much appreciated which I tried to relayed to him. Others could limit
the size of their postings pixtel wise. When I joined the Kolb List
many years ago it was a more friendly place than lately. Seems ever
year there is a new comer with an attitude, one of which you alluded to
in your last post. Hopefully there is room on the list for those of us
that don't have the latest high speed capabilities that many enjoy.
Hope you allow room on the road for us also!! I do know how to limit
the size of incoming mail, I just didn't want to be relegated to the
back of the bus on this list. Courtesy goes a long way in all endeavors!!!
Lastly, I do agree with your analysis of the FireFly being one of
Homer's and Dennis Souder's best creations. Hope to have to opportunity
to meet you one day. Any chance of your coming to the Father's Day
fly-in at Homer's this year?
Terry - Firefly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Video |
Kip,
Incredible video. Your "minimalist" Firestar really captures the spirit
of flying and I think it's one of the best looking F2s around. The
video really does a great job of capturing that same spirit. I saved
some photos you had posted of your plane years ago when I was looking
for ideas for building my own. I've been interested in Kolbs for about
10 yrs but money and family commitments kept me from building. Last
year I finally couldn't wait anymore and after much thought (about 15
min, I think) started seriously looking for a plane. Fortunately found
one in time to do the ELSA certification. Keep up the good work
Dan G
503 F2 N963DG
Tucson, AZ
N111KX (Kip) wrote:
>
>I just added another video. It's a bit shakey but I'm working on it...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y79352Iqk-A
>
>Kip
>
>--------
>Kip
>Firestar II (born September 2000)
>Atlanta, GA
>N111KX
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=179113#179113
>
>
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