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1. 08:17 AM - It's an airplane again (olendorf)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (boyd)
3. 10:55 AM - Re: It's an airplane again (TK)
4. 10:55 AM - Re: It's an airplane again (TK)
5. 11:15 AM - Re: It's an airplane again (John Hauck)
6. 12:15 PM - Re: It's an airplane again (olendorf)
7. 01:17 PM - Re: Dead Stick Video (N111KX (Kip))
8. 01:57 PM - Droop tip progRess (Mike Welch)
9. 03:22 PM - Droop tip progress (Mike Welch)
10. 03:25 PM - More droop tip photos (Mike Welch)
11. 03:28 PM - Last one of droop tips (Mike Welch)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: More droop tip photos (Nelson, Craig)
13. 05:27 PM - more droop tip photos (robert bean)
14. 06:22 PM - Re: Sadler Vampire (Charlie England)
15. 06:28 PM - wheel pant mounts-revisited (Mike Welch)
16. 06:42 PM - Re: It's an airplane again (Denny Rowe)
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| Subject: | It's an airplane again |
I just got my airplane back together finally. It was a long road. All I intended
to do was replace a broken stringer and wound up replacing the stringer, the
windshield, instrument panel and fuel tank. I found two rotted steel tubes on
the cage which were repaired. Then recover and repaint the cage and fuselage
tube.
The fuel tank I had ordered was going to hold 8 gals but since the tank doesn't
sit level it only hold a little over 7 gals before in starts coming out of the
filler neck. I may be able to put a hose over the neck if I ever want to fill
it past 7 gals. I've attached a pic here but you can see some better ones
at my web site.
http://kolbfirestar.googlepages.com/myplane
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest |
Sorry I'll miss seeing the gang at MV this year. First year I've missed
since 2002 when I first went up there with the Firefly in mid May, a few
months after I first soloed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jim sorry you wont be able to make it this year,,,, We'll miss you.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: It's an airplane again |
olendorf wrote:
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> I just got my airplane back together finally. It was a long road. All I intended
to do was replace a broken stringer and wound up replacing the stringer, the
windshield, instrument panel and fuel tank. I found two rotted steel tubes
on the cage which were repaired. Then recover and repaint the cage and fuselage
tube.
>
> The fuel tank I had ordered was going to hold 8 gals but since the tank doesn't
sit level it only hold a little over 7 gals before in starts coming out of
the filler neck. I may be able to put a hose over the neck if I ever want to
fill it past 7 gals. I've attached a pic here but you can see some better ones
at my web site.
>
> http://kolbfirestar.googlepages.com/myplane
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> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
>
Scott,
Looking forward to seeing your reconstruction in June. Your work looks
good!! I hope your planning on joining us again both at Homer's and
Shreveport North. Nice facility you have at your new airport and very
"Green". Why the change of prop?
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: It's an airplane again |
olendorf wrote:
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> I just got my airplane back together finally. It was a long road. All I intended
to do was replace a broken stringer and wound up replacing the stringer, the
windshield, instrument panel and fuel tank. I found two rotted steel tubes
on the cage which were repaired. Then recover and repaint the cage and fuselage
tube.
>
> The fuel tank I had ordered was going to hold 8 gals but since the tank doesn't
sit level it only hold a little over 7 gals before in starts coming out of
the filler neck. I may be able to put a hose over the neck if I ever want to
fill it past 7 gals. I've attached a pic here but you can see some better ones
at my web site.
>
> http://kolbfirestar.googlepages.com/myplane
>
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> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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Scott,
Looking forward to seeing your reconstruction in June. Your work looks
good!! I hope your planning on joining us again both at Homer's and
Shreveport North. Nice facility you have at your new airport and very
"Green". Why the change of prop?
Terry - FireFly 395
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| Subject: | Re: It's an airplane again |
> I just got my airplane back together finally.
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> Scott Olendorf
Scott O:
Brings back a lot of memories looking at your FS.
Glad you got it back together again. Hope to see you at Homer's in June.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: It's an airplane again |
tkrolfe(at)toast.net wrote:
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> Looking forward to seeing your reconstruction in June. Your work looks good!!
I hope your planning on joining us again both at Homer's and Shreveport North.
Nice facility you have at your new airport and very "Green". Why the change
of prop?
>
> Terry - FireFly 395
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Hey Terry, I would like to make it down this year. If I can get my pilot's license
all worked out in time I may make it. I didn't change the prop. I had it
off for the rebuild. I like the Powerfin and it's already back on.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Video |
Thanks guys. I knew that I had less than 5 minutes on my video card so I had to
be efficient. :o
Kip
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Kip
Firestar II (born September 2000)
Atlanta, GA
N111KX
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| Subject: | Droop tip progRess |
Sorry about the typo. Must be all the toxic fumes I'm inhaling. Mike
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| Subject: | Droop tip progress |
Kolb people,
I thought I'd share a couple of photos of my wing's "droop tip project". Before
anyone comments, if you can see it in the picture, so can I!
Keep in mind, these items you are looking at are "Plugs"! These are the mock-ups
you make, to be able to make a mold around them. Once your mold is made,
these will likely get destroyed.
A couple of pointers. I am NOT happy with my choice of materials. The foam/joint
compound worked okay for a basic shape, but I encountered all kinds of
crap trying to come up with a truely decently smooth finished set of plugs.
IF I were to do it again, I would choose a different method to come up with finished
shapes. I have a few spots (bumps) that I just cannot seem to fix. I
think I've work on them for two days. No matter what I do, the locations continue
to bulge! Screw it, I'll fix the problem in the molds!
The first few photos deal with the shaping portion. I think it is the first
photo that shows how I made Magic Marker lines to show the contour lines.The
last couple reflect the PVA coating on the right tip. (The left one already
has the PVA coating, and two coats of gel coat).
Remember, the order of events are: shape the item, paint it to achieve a smooth
finish, release wax (2-3 coats), then PVA (2 coats), then 3 coats of gel
coat epoxy, followed by 5-6 layers of glass/epoxy resin. This creates your
mold. Wait a day, and then pop it it out, and repeat the process in reverse,
for your finished project.....wax, PVA, gel coat, 3-4 layers of glass/resin, wait
a day...pop out finished gel coated item!! Oh BTW, this a hellava lot of
work!! Much easier to buy them, but like I said, I need them now, not later.
Besides, it's a lot of fun, about as much fun as digging a septic system by hand!
(I'd rather being putting Poly Fiber on my wings.)
Sorry if these photos are hard on the dial-up folks. I only know much to attach
these photos like this.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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| Subject: | More droop tip photos |
Kolb People,
Some more pics to look at. Note on photo #11 the black line on the rough one.
That represents the droop tip edge cut line. You'll also notice on photo
#01 the red line representing the front curve.
To achieve a fairly simetrical set of tips, I drew a red line between them
on the table. Each tip was set EXACTLY 3" back (as measured parallel to the bottom
of the wing rib).
I then placed a ridged piece of aluminum plate right in the center, standing
as a "wall" between them. (If you look closely in photo #01 you can see the aluminum
straight-edge separating the two tips). I shaped and shaped and shaped
the first one, until I was satisfied with it's profile, put it back on the
table, and transferred the dimensions to the rough one. One real nice feature
of using laminated foam is that the white layer lines will be the same, if you've
done a good job being simetrical. (as seen in photo #02, but note the top
layer is one 2" thick foam, rather than two 1" thick foam layers)
As a side by side comparison, they are as gnat's ass close as I care about.
One last thing to note, for those that have ANY intention of actually making
their own droop tips. If you'll notice on those close-up photos of the Yellow
Xtra that David took, the factory tips allow for the captured air to slip past
the ailerons. Although these nice droop tips do appear to "catch" the air
trying to escape the underside of the wing on it's outer edge (and that is good),
it appears to me this style will allow that air to just exit the rear of
the wing, but not affect the ailerons.
My style will be a two piece tip, where the front piece attaches to the main
wing, as usual, and the rear piece attaches to the aileron, becoming an extension
of the droop tip all the way to the rear of the wing. This style will insure
that all the captured air a) remains under the wing, and b) all that capured
air will also affect the aileron, before exiting the wing. This aileron
droop tip extension will also incorporate the aileron's balance spade.
This NOT meant to be a criticism of the Kolb droop tip on the new Xtra. Their
style is fine for what they wanted it to do, and they do make the plane look
awesome. It definitely augments the wing's performence. I am simply pointing
out that since I have to build my own, I am incorporating "additional" features.
That's all.
Mike Welch
PS. I have more photos, if anyone wants to see them, email me directly.
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| Subject: | Last one of droop tips |
One last photo. I just sprayed the PVA on this one. (Yes, I saw the runs and
brushed them out).
Mike
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| Subject: | More droop tip photos |
Mike
You gota know this project gives me wood! I love it
Uncle craig
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: More droop tip photos
Kolb People,
Some more pics to look at. Note on photo #11 the black line on the
rough one. That represents the droop tip edge cut line. You'll also
notice on photo #01 the red line representing the front curve.
To achieve a fairly simetrical set of tips, I drew a red line between
them on the table. Each tip was set EXACTLY 3" back (as measured
parallel to the bottom of the wing rib).
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| Subject: | more droop tip photos |
Mike, commendations for the ambition and nice work. I'm too lazy to
make molds for just one application.
Rude and crude is my way. I wanted a fairing for that ugly radiator
sticking up front. First bang out a metal
shell. I made it just a little too snug so some amendments had to be
banged out. Then epoxy foam board
externally. File to shape. Epoxy glass externally using the hi tek
garbage bag and duct tape method.
It will take SOME bondo and sanding to finish for paint but ought to
look better than before and cut some drag.
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first the dog wanders in front
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then my knee. I give up
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| Subject: | Re: Sadler Vampire |
John Hauck wrote:
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> .
>> What engine did they have on it at Lakeland John?
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> Denny:
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> I don't know. I was not interested enough in it to inquire. The two
> place looked really shabby.
>
> john h
> mkIII
It had a Rotomax 2 rotor charge-cooled rotary engine, rated at around
120 hp. They supposedly had a 1 rotor in the single-seat, but it was
still on the roof of their trailer when I visited.
The guy I talked to knew very little about the engine, & not much more
about a/c design (he tried to tell me that the 2-seat with 120 HP was
good for up to a 1000 hp V8 (not a typo) that would 'blow away anything
else out there'.
The 1 rotor engine might be worthy of consideration for UL type planes;
it's around 60 hp & should be almost as light as a 2 stroke with the
same or slightly better fuel burn. I tried talking to the Rotomax
people, but the only guy in the tent at the time was their gyro pilot.
All he knew was that the 2 rotor made plenty of power for the 2 seat
gyro he flew. The engines are descended from the OMC snowmobile/outboard
rotaries.
Charlie
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| Subject: | wheel pant mounts-revisited |
Kolb guys,
On our recent discussion of mounting wheel pants, someone emailed a photo of
their
wheel pant/mount. For the life of me, I can't find that photo. (I thought Scott
did it, IIRC).
A few days ago our fellow Kolber Bill Futtrell asked if anyone has any suggestions
on mounting wheel pants. Although I forwarded my post, I sure would like
to forward that
other photo from "whomever".
My set-up was copied from my Cessna. To be honest, I liked the other mount
better.
If you would send Bill a copy of your wheel pant, Im sure he'd appreciate it.
send it to:
bill_joe@bellsouth.net
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: It's an airplane again |
Scott,
Dang, that baby looks Great!
I hope I can finally get back to Shreveport this year and also make Homers.
Hope to see you there and get a better look at your bird.
Denny
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