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1. 07:20 AM - Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil best prices? (Dennis)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) (lucien)
3. 09:36 AM - Re: Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) (Dana Hague)
4. 10:14 AM - Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) (Ralph B)
5. 01:48 PM - UltraStar Belt redrive ratio (jb92563)
6. 02:33 PM - Re: UltraStar Belt redrive ratio (Dana Hague)
7. 03:34 PM - Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION (N27SB@aol.com)
8. 03:52 PM - Flawless Firestar possibly for sale soon. (Mike Welch)
9. 04:46 PM - Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) (planecrazzzy)
10. 07:50 PM - Firestar project (william sullivan)
11. 08:44 PM - Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION (R. Hankins)
12. 08:53 PM - Re: Firestar project (Mike Welch)
13. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION (TheWanderingWench)
14. 10:01 PM - Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION (R. Hankins)
15. 11:03 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:04 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil best prices? |
I bought mine at Wal-Mart. Lawn and garden section.
Dennis
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From: N27SB@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil best prices?
Guys, I hate to start a panic here but Pennzoil has discontinued
production of this product, the only supply out there is what is in
circulation. It has something to do with Shell buying the product line.
Lockwood is testing several new products as a replacement. Lockwood
recently bought the last 500 cases available.
No one knows about this yet so it is a good time to stock up. Lockwood
seems to think that the replacement will be as good or better. Lockwood
originally did the testing for Rotax and Penzoil.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion
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In a message dated 4/29/2008 8:01:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
>Where do you all buy your Pennzoil air cooled 2 cycle oil from?
>
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion
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| Subject: | Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) |
>
> s I said before, I found them to help. Even Rotax must have some faith in them,
they have something similar, a hydro dampener, on their larger two strokers.
Adjusting the pitch on a wood prop is a bit dicey!
> Yeah, they won't make up for a poorly balanced prop, but will give that final
tweak to smooth things out.
>
> Don't condemn that which you haven't tried,
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
>
You're quite right that I only have 2nd hand info, so indeed my opinion isn't authoritative
on it by any means.
Yes, the 582 has a balancing device on the flywheel similar to the balance master,
but you have to remember that's a much higher rpm situation and the imbalances
it's used for are generally smaller than a prop spinning at 2500 rpm.
I do, however, have years of 1st hand experience with the IVO running in 2-blades
and, in that experience, I havn't found a relatively expensive solution like
the balance master thingy to be necessary for smooth operation. Again, the typical
problem with the IVO is mismatched pitch on the blades rather than imbalance.
IVO does pretty good getting their props balanced out of the box (tho occasionally
they mess up).
The pitch adjustment, however, ain't so grand with the play in the pitch adjust
screw and the tendency for the torque rods to sieze slightly in their holes when
the hub is tightened down to spec.
So... I'm merely suggesting that before you go out and spend a bunch of money on
a balancer, set up the prop correctly FIRST - it's a zero-dollar solution anyway
so it's the most sensible place to start.
THEN check the balance THEN try the more expensive solutions.....
Just my experience, worth what you paid for it,
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) |
At 11:15 AM 5/1/2008, lucien wrote:
>Yes, the 582 has a balancing device on the flywheel similar to the balance
>master, but you have to remember that's a much higher rpm situation and
>the imbalances it's used for are generally smaller than a prop spinning at
>2500 rpm.
Is the 582's device a radial balancer, or just a harmonic balancer that
damps out the torsional pulses? I would think the latter, protecting the
gearbox.
>So... I'm merely suggesting that before you go out and spend a bunch of
>money on a balancer, set up the prop correctly FIRST - it's a zero-dollar
>solution anyway so it's the most sensible place to start.
>THEN check the balance THEN try the more expensive solutions.....
Agreed. No point in band-aiding a problem that can be properly fixed.
It should also be remembered that a balancer like the balancemaster can
only help with radial weight imbalance, which causes motion in the plane of
the propeller. If your blade pitch is mismatched, that creates an angular
vibration or shaft wobble that a radial balancer can do nothing about.
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| Subject: | Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) |
I had a lot of vibration in my Ivo prop after it had run smooth for 600 hours.
When I took it off, I saw that one of the cams had worn where it contacted the
groove. I replaced that cam and the vibes disappeared. The worn cam had caused
that blade to have a different pitch than the other.
Ralph
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| Subject: | UltraStar Belt redrive ratio |
Does anyone know what the standard UltraStar belt drive redrive ratio was for the
Cuyuna UL II-02?
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| Subject: | Re: UltraStar Belt redrive ratio |
At 04:45 PM 5/1/2008, jb92563 wrote:
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>Does anyone know what the standard UltraStar belt drive redrive ratio was
>for the Cuyuna UL II-02?
Mine's 2:1, and I have no reason to believe it's not original.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION |
IN CASE YOU MISSED THIS POST UNDER THE OLD TITLE
steve
In a message dated 4/30/2008 9:26:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N27SB@aol.com writes:
Guys, I hate to start a panic here but Pennzoil has discontinued production
of this product, the only supply out there is what is in circulation. It has
something to do with Shell buying the product line. Lockwood is testing
several new products as a replacement. Lockwood recently bought the last 500 cases
available.
No one knows about this yet so it is a good time to stock up. Lockwood seems
to think that the replacement will be as good or better. Lockwood originally
did the testing for Rotax and Penzoil.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
Firefly 0040/ Floats 2008 SnF Grand Champion
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In a message dated 4/29/2008 8:01:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
>Where do you all buy your Pennzoil air cooled 2 cycle oil from?
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| Subject: | Flawless Firestar possibly for sale soon. |
Kolb guys, and wanna-be Kolb guys,
I had a chat with my good buddy that has been building a beautiful Firestar.
He's a retired corporate pilot, and doesn't do email, therefore he is not a
member of the Kolb-list. It is virtually finished, and has been registered ESLA.
As far as I know, all the paperwork and registration is completed.
The airplane is of exceptional quality. It is the style that has no nosecone/windscreen.
The reason he is contemplating selling it is because of all the crap he's had
to go through from that loser that makes the Hexadyne engine. He has been
waiting for more than a month for a replacement ECU computer for this brand new
engine. Oh, BTW, THIS engine is a replacement for a previous model Hexadyne
that he was having problems with. These engines were brand new, straight from
the Hexadyne owner. Crap product, and even worse, crap company. (I told him
he should have bought an HKS, he says "yeah, I know"!)
If he can get the new engine computer anytime soon, it may very well be a great
flying plane, but as of this moment, it has never lifted off the ground.
I have seen him do some fast taxi-ing, raising the tailwheel, and all that kind
of stuff. 60 HP on a Firestar makes for a brisk performer!!
Anyway, he says he's getting quite despondent about the whole plane! So, if
you know anyone looking for a completely fully built, fully registered, awesome
plane, send me an email and I'll check with him to see if he's finally made
the commitment to get rid of it.
To give you an idea of the kind of dedication this guy gave his Firestar, he
bought an $8000 custom-made aluminum enclosed trailer to haul it in.
Like I said, it isn't officially for sale, yet, but if he knew there was someone
interested in taking it off his hands, he may just give up on it.
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Re: Balance Master ( Prop Balancer) |
I think the fact the Wings were off got overlooked too quickly...
I'll bet if I put the wings on & started it , it would be normal....
Whatever ... The balancer "will" help...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
I went to the airport to switch the wing struts side to side, and found out that
there is a right and left. That corrected a slight negative dihedral.
A full power engine run-up produced 6500 rpm. I only held it for about a minute,
and CHT was only about 250.
Low speed taxi tests went very well, doing S-turns, straight, and U-turns to
both sides. Very easy to handle, and very predictable. Best taxi rpm was 2700,
and much below that the engine would load up during extended running. I made
about 8 round trips on a 900 foot runway. I stopped to talk to someone, and
we noticed that both of the landing gear legs were bent. They were brand new,
and apparently the previous owner had made some legs. Looked good, fit good, but
soft as butter. I have the originals- only slightly bent- and will straighten
and re-install. I think I'll pick up some spares. The other spare bent legs
that came with the plane also show signs of not being made by Kolb. They are
going right in my scrap pile.
I have to bring a drill and pop rivets for the pitot tube boss. I had used
some epoxy paste to secure the tube to the mounting plate, and it stuck the plate
to a decal under it. The decal, however, wasn't stuck to the nose too well.
I intend to do about 8 hours of ground tests to thoroughly shake out any other
problems.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION |
Steve,
Do mean Pennzoil is phasing out Air-cooled Two stroke oil, or ALL two stroke oil?
Could they be replacing it with their snowmobile oil? It is rated TC and
TCW3. Says on their website that it is Rotax approved. There are a lot of air
cooled Rotax powered snowmobiles out there. I wouldn't think they they would
want to give up on the entire two stroke market, but stranger things have happened.
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1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
Amigo Bill,
As you have just found out, yes, wing struts DO have a left and right!
What I do to keep them from being installed incorrectly is: paint a small area
(small, as in not very noticable unless you're looking for it) at the top of
each strut. GREEN paint for the right one, and RED paint for the left one.
Just like your Nav lights.
You know the saying, how to remember the correct terminology for left and right
on boats and airplanes; There was a sailor named RED who LEFT the PORT! Left=Red=Port.
Mike Welch
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From: williamtsullivan@att.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar project
I went to the airport to switch the wing struts side to side, and found out that
there is a right and left. That corrected a slight negative dihedral.
A full power engine run-up produced 6500 rpm. I only held it for about a minute,
and CHT was only about 250.
Low speed taxi tests went very well, doing S-turns, straight, and U-turns to
both sides. Very easy to handle, and very predictable. Best taxi rpm was 2700,
and much below that the engine would load up during extended running. I made
about 8 round trips on a 900 foot runway. I stopped to talk to someone, and we
noticed that both of the landing gear legs were bent. They were brand new, and
apparently the previous owner had made some legs. Looked good, fit good, but
soft as butter. I have the originals- only slightly bent- and will straighten
and re-install. I think I'll pick up some spares. The other spare bent legs that
came with the plane also show signs of not being made by Kolb. They are going
right in my scrap pile.
I have to bring a drill and pop rivets for the pitot tube boss. I had used some
epoxy paste to secure the tube to the mounting plate, and it stuck the plate
to a decal under it. The decal, however, wasn't stuck to the nose too well.
I intend to do about 8 hours of ground tests to thoroughly shake out any other
problems.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION |
Roger -
Pennzoil air cooled isn't TC rated - and isn't
compatible with Pennzoil's regular 2-stroke TCW3 oil.
(According to Phil Lockwood.)
Arty
Sandy, Oregon
--- "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com> wrote:
> <rphanks@grantspass.com>
>
> Steve,
> Do mean Pennzoil is phasing out Air-cooled Two
> stroke oil, or ALL two stroke oil? Could they be
> replacing it with their snowmobile oil? It is rated
> TC and TCW3. Says on their website that it is Rotax
> approved. There are a lot of air cooled Rotax
> powered snowmobiles out there. I wouldn't think
> they they would want to give up on the entire two
> stroke market, but stranger things have happened.
>
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> 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| Subject: | Re: Pennzoil 2 cycle oil OUT OF PRODUCTION |
Arty,
Pennzoil air cooled is rated API Service TC. (You may have thought I meant NMMA
TC-W vs TC-W3)
Pennzoil snowmobile is rated NMMA TC-W3 and also API Service TC. I've attached
the manufacturers documentation below.
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1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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