---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/03/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Firestar Project (william sullivan) 2. 06:34 AM - Re: Firestar Project (John Hauck) 3. 10:38 AM - Poly Fiber question (Mike Welch) 4. 12:11 PM - 50 foot paint job (Larry Cottrell) 5. 12:17 PM - Re: Poly Fiber question (planecrazzzy) 6. 12:20 PM - Re: 50 foot paint job (planecrazzzy) 7. 12:38 PM - Re: 50 foot paint job (robert bean) 8. 12:50 PM - Re: 50 foot paint job (John Hauck) 9. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Poly Fiber question (Mike Welch) 10. 01:18 PM - Re: 50 foot paint job (Larry Cottrell) 11. 01:25 PM - show and tell day (robert bean) 12. 02:18 PM - Grey Baron (Bob N.) 13. 06:51 PM - Re: 100LL long term in 912 (possums) 14. 06:56 PM - Re: 50 foot paint job (R. Hankins) 15. 07:13 PM - Re: 100LL long term in 912 (Dana Hague) 16. 08:32 PM - Re: 100LL long term in 912 (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:28 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Project I started measuring all the spare legs I have, and the I called Travis at TNK. I got a surprise- none of the legs are a size that he has heard of. First- all of them are 1" diameter. Travis said there are only 3 stock diameters; Firefly is 1 1/8", Firestar is 1 1/4", and Mark lll is 1 3/8". All are the same length- 28 1/2". I have spares of 3 different lengths, but all are shorter. My axle end is 3/4", and Travis said all of the ones he knows about are 7/8". He said he has heard of somebody putting a piece of pipe in the "A" frame to bush it down,and I will look for it next trip. I have to look and measure before ordering, so I will be out to the field next week. He also commented that I may have some type of proto-type from the Old Kolb Co. That might explain all the odd dimensions and no serial number. I described the bent legs from taxi testing, and he said that some people will make their own legs using 6061 aluminum. They are supposed to be 7075 T-651. The 6061 legs will bend just like I described. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:12 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar Project Bill S: Original Firestar Gear Legs were 1". The Old Kolb Company put a aluminum tube bushing in the gear leg socket so it would fit. The old Twinstar, the first two place Kolb, used an 1 1/8" gear leg. Same socket with no aluminum bushing. I bent the 1" gear legs on my FS the first time I taxiied it on my grass strip. Called Little Mike at Old Kolb to send me some Twinstar 1 1/8" legs. They worked better, but my type flying called for something better. Thus, the experimentation and use of heat treated 4130 legs on my Kolbs since 1987. I don't think you have a prototype Kolb. The first Kolb I got with a serial number was my MKIII in January 1991, M3-011. The old Kolbs did not have serial numbers. I think the individual that built and/or modified your Kolb is responsible for the odd dimensions. john h mkIII I started measuring all the spare legs I have, and the I called Travis at TNK. I got a surprise- none of the legs are a size that he has heard of. First- all of them are 1" diameter. Travis said there are only 3 stock diameters; Firefly is 1 1/8", Firestar is 1 1/4", and Mark lll is 1 3/8". He said he has heard of somebody putting a piece of pipe in the "A" frame to bush it down He also commented that I may have some type of proto-type from the Old Kolb Co. That might explain all the odd dimensions and no serial number. Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:18 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Poly Fiber question I've got a quick question for you Poly Fiber experts. I'm getting ready to start my main wings/ailerons, and flaps on my MkIII. I only have 1 quart of Poly Tak left. (actually, it's just under a quart). Does anyone have an idea how much Poly Tak it takes to cover just the wings, flaps, and ailerons. All other surfaces (complete tailfeathers and fuselage) are finished. Just the wings. I can't recall how many quarts of Poly Tak I started with, to know much it took to get to this point. I think I may have used one quart so far, but I can't remember. I don't want to get in the middle of doing the wings, and run out. I'd rather have it on hand, if I need it anyway. Thanks, Mike Welch --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:32 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: 50 foot paint job Gang, things seem kind of slow, so here are the pictures of Dart. ( should rename her to Phoenix, she has risen from the ashes three times now) As you can see the new steel legs make her stand up a bit. Her flight characteristics seem to be the same. I intend to try to be a bit more careful in the future. At least I can be sure that the legs and axles won't fail me any more, but then again as I recall there was some problem with a loose nut on the stick. :-/ Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Poly Fiber question From: "planecrazzzy" Sounds like you have enough to me....? You "do" know how to "revive" the stuff after it's gotten hard , right ? Otherwise, you'd be waste'n a bunch... Gotta Fly... -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180919#180919 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 50 foot paint job From: "planecrazzzy" Looks like "Brand New" Way ta go Larry ! .. .. Gotta Fly... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180922#180922 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:04 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 50 foot paint job Looks good from here, and I'm only 3 feet away from the screen. Those streamlined legs? Even though wheel pants LOOK dandy, streamlining legs will reduce drag as much and all you need is a couple pieces of sheet metal. BB do not archive On 3, May 2008, at 3:07 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > Gang, > things seem kind of slow, so here are the pictures of Dart. > ( should rename her to Phoenix, she has risen from the ashes three > times now) As you can see the new steel legs make her stand up a > bit. Her flight characteristics seem to be the same. I intend to > try to be a bit more careful in the future. At least I can be sure > that the legs and axles won't fail me any more, but then again as I > recall there was some problem with a loose nut on the stick. :-/ > Larry C > do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:17 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 50 foot paint job Larry C: Keep it up. Looks like you are getting good at building FS's. Looks good. Have you flown it yet. john h mkIII things seem kind of slow, so here are the pictures of Dart. Larry C ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:04 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Poly Fiber question Mike, If you mean brushing on MEK or Poly Fiber reducer, to soften a glued spot, yes. If you're talking about reviving the Poly Tak cement after it turns brown, then no. And that happpend to me, too. I bought this Kolb MkIII kit from TOK (The Old Kolb) and all the Poly Fiber stuff (from Jim Miller) back in 1998. I covered the fuselage and some tailfeather pieces. After a few years, the rest of my Poly Tak went dark gooey on me. Dondi said "chuck it, and start over." Which I did last year. (including tearing off ALL the old fabric that was installed prior to this last fall.) Mostly, the fabric removal on the fuselage was due to the redesign the fuselage, to look like an Xtra. Anyway, you think ONE QUART should do the wings??? Ok, I'll hang in there with just one quart. Besides, after finishing one wing, if I have used more than half of my quart, well....time to order some more, I guess. Thanks, Mike W planecrazzzy wrote: Sounds like you have enough to me....? You "do" know how to "revive" the stuff after it's gotten hard , right ? Otherwise, you'd be waste'n a bunch... Gotta Fly... Do Not Archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:10 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 50 foot paint job Yes, I have flown it twice, no problems, no difference other than being a bit higher up in the air when I touch down. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 50 foot paint job Larry C: Keep it up. Looks like you are getting good at building FS's. Looks good. Have you flown it yet. john h mkIII things seem kind of slow, so here are the pictures of Dart. Larry C ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 5/2/2008 4:34 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:36 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: show and tell day Still whittling away on the radiator shell. Some more fillo and sanding and it gets painted hides-all-sins white. that will be it for this year, time for some flying! BB DSCN1565.JPG
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:45 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: Grey Baron (I'm sending this note for my father who has been hospitalized for two weeks with an episode of what is presumed to be paraneoplastic dermatomyositis.) "The Grey Baron is still hospitalized, with some progress, mainly he's able to lift one heel about 1/8" while bedridden. Rudder travel limit! He's moving to an excellent rehab connected with hospital next week, and may get a laptop. Email off list a58r@verizon.net " Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:14 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 100LL long term in 912 At 09:59 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: > >I have never put more than 1200+ hours on the previous two 912's I >have owned and operated. > > >john h I completely agree with John, I have a 503 Rotax and try as I might, I have never put 1200 hours on mine either. Hell - I never thought it would get to 600 hrs without me having to have it rebuilt. Now I'm thinking I can get to 800 hrs. BTW: at 800 hours I'll just buy a new 503. Good deal - 10 years for $4,400 I have, however, put way over 700 hours on it without using PENNZOIL AIR COOLED 2 STROKE OIL at all. I use DOT 3 - Walmart oil. Not because of the price, but because I used Pennzoil for 30 hours just to see. It made the plugs dirtier faster. Oil is a cult/religion - so............do what makes you feel good. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 50 foot paint job From: "R. Hankins" Looks good Larry! I will be taking lots of pictures of your gear legs when I get there. I did the break-in procedure on the 503 today and did 6 touch and goes with long full power climbs. Brought it home, took off the cowl and re-torqued the head bolts. I also installed the carb kits and rechecked the fan belt tension. Things look good for the Rock House trip. I'll try to put in a couple of hours of airtime tomorrow in close proximity to the airport. I hadn't flown in almost two months, a record for me since the first flight of my firestar. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180987#180987 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:16 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 100LL long term in 912 At 09:50 PM 5/3/2008, possums wrote: >I have, however, put way over 700 hours on it without using PENNZOIL AIR >COOLED 2 STROKE OIL >at all. I use DOT 3 - Walmart oil... DOT3 is brake fluid, not motor oil. -Dana -- "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you're 30, you have no head." -- Winston Churchill ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:15 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 100LL long term in 912 At 10:08 PM 5/3/2008, you wrote: >At 09:50 PM 5/3/2008, possums wrote: >>I have, however, put way over 700 hours on it without using >>PENNZOIL AIR COOLED 2 STROKE OIL >>at all. I use DOT 3 - Walmart oil... > >DOT3 is brake fluid, not motor oil. > >-Dana > >-- > "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. > If you are not a conservative when you're 30, you have no head." > -- Winston Churchill I use the WalMart Super Tech 2 cycle oil dot3- ?? You may be right about the "dot3" I'll look at the bottle tomorrow.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.