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1. 03:33 AM - Re: radiator shroud (Thom Riddle)
2. 03:44 AM - Firestar Project (william sullivan)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: Firestar Project (John Williamson)
4. 09:29 AM - trim (pj.ladd)
5. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: radiator shroud (robert bean)
6. 09:48 AM - Re: trim (robert bean)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: tubing source? (Dana Hague)
8. 10:09 AM - Re: tubing source? (Dana Hague)
9. 10:09 AM - Re: trim (Mike Welch)
10. 10:26 AM - Re: trim (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
11. 12:04 PM - Re: trim (John Hauck)
12. 12:09 PM - Re: trim (John Hauck)
13. 12:31 PM - Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (jb92563)
14. 12:44 PM - Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (jb92563)
15. 12:53 PM - Re: Minnesota Kolb guys (jb92563)
16. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (John Hauck)
17. 01:08 PM - Q (Russ Kinne)
18. 01:12 PM - Re: trim (Steven Green)
19. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (Dana Hague)
20. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton)
21. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton)
22. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton)
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| Subject: | Re: radiator shroud |
Nice job, Bob. Your HVAC heritage is showing... sort of looks like streamlined
window air conditioner :-). I hope to see it in person soon.
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Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Firestar Project |
Bill V.- Thanks for the history. It helps explain a lot of the odd things I've
found, including the light weight. Between John H., you, and a couple of others
on the List I'm gradually getting the whole story on the bird. Keep picking
your memory.
Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Project |
This was originally posted in September 2007.
This .pdf file is a short history of the Kolb line of aircraft. It might answer
a few of your questions.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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Hi,
managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic
conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching
from holding up the port wing.
I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing
and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the
washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers
seat. Still a long way out of trim
I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to
see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit
a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I
presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends
to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up.
Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a
rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used
temporarily to try the idea out.
Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be?
Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale.
If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: radiator shroud |
Mike, the radiator cap ought to hold it on :)
The screws are drilled head AN bolts.
BB
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On 7, May 2008, at 6:16 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Bob,
> Damn nice job !
>
> Hope you got those two screws "Safety wired"
>
> .
> .
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Pat, presumption correct. How close are the two wings to each other
using a protractor?
Shouldn't be THAT much off. Was it like this pre-accident?
I currently have a homely looking tab on the right wing, I plan on
replacing it with a longer.
narrower one for esthetic reasons. Haven't rushed it because it
flies hands-off.
Of course you could fly it right seat like you do your motorcars to
compensate.
BB
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On 8, May 2008, at 12:26 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> Hi,
> managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very
> thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my
> wrist aching from holding up the port wing.
>
> I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port
> wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling
> with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the
> passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim
>
> I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight
> to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse
> is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this.
> Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such
> a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port
> one, up.
> Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a
> rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used
> temporarily to try the idea out.
> Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be?
>
> Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a
> gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today
>
> Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tubing source? |
Thanks Mike, I just ordered it (they didn't have .095 though their website
lists it, but they did have the .120 which is close enough). Also ordered
the parts to reinforce the aileron bellcrank. Seems like a good outfit to
deal with.
BTW, their direct website is http://shapirosupply.com .
-Dana
At 12:35 AM 5/8/2008, Mike Welch wrote:
>Hey Dana,
>
>Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I
>got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear
>legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what
>you are looking for.
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247>http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
>
>They're phone number is in the auction page.
>
>Best of luck,
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII CX "under construction"
>
>
>Be a better friend, newshound, and
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser.
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| Subject: | Re: tubing source? |
Thanks Mike, I just ordered it (they didn't have .095 though their website
lists it, but they did have the .120 which is close enough). Also ordered
the parts to reinforce the aileron bellcrank. Seems like a good outfit to
deal with.
BTW, their direct website is http://shapirosupply.com .
-Dana
At 12:35 AM 5/8/2008, Mike Welch wrote:
>Hey Dana,
>
>Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I
>got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear
>legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what
>you are looking for.
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247>http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247
>
>They're phone number is in the auction page.
>
>Best of luck,
>
>Mike Welch
>MkIII CX "under construction"
>
>
>Be a better friend, newshound, and
>
>
><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Oy'e Mate!!
Pat, If it were me I'd back up a little before I started adding a trim tab. That
strikes as a "band-aid" fix for possibly a much more serious problem.
Have you checked the wings' complete angle of incidence at several location...with
a digital level? It might be a good idea to make a drawing of your wings,
and take a digital reading at 4-5 precise locations for both wings. This should
reveal "why" the heavy left wing!! (Be sure to level the fuselage to at
least a tenth of a degree!)
Before I started attaching stuff to the outside of the plane, I would insure
the fuselage cage is PERFECT, with the wing attach points EXACTLY the same, and
not off any between the two rear locations!! (most likely it isn't, but you
sure would want to verify that!)
By the way, if for some reason the wing rear attach fittings were off a little,
I'd ask TNK to weld you a offset fitting.
If you establish the fuselage is exactly straight and square, and the wings are
rigged exactly the same, then double check the tailfeathers, to make sure they
don't have some hidden twist in their mounting.
I know you are a bright chap, and probably did all these things, but I'd recommend
finding out WHY the port wing is so heavy, prior to adding a trim tab.
Are these the same wings involved in your mishap? Did this "tweak" them? Your
digital level should reveal the "gremlin".
Just my thoughts. Tah!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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From: pj.ladd@btinternet.com
Subject: Kolb-List: trim
Hi,
managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions
with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding
up the port wing.
I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum
on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had
about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out
of trim
I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that
helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab.
I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should
fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron
down and the port one, up.
Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in.
What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the
idea out.
Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be?
Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t
drop this evening there will be no flying today
Pat
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Pat
Wow that is quite a bit out of trim. Please double check you have the
wing incidence adjusters set correctly. Sounds like you have a incidence
adjustor on each wing if not get one for the other side. Look down the
wing leading edge, then the trailing edge from one of the wing tip
towards the other. Are the wings aligned the same? Are the wings or a
wing twisted? You may be out of alignment enough that you can drill
another front wing attachment hole on one of the wings to get it within
the limits of your incidence adjusters. You want to drill the hole far
enough away from the original hole that you will have enough metal
between the holes for adequate strength. Sounds like you will.
Flying to MESA on Thursday and then driving to MV on Friday.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: pj.ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: trim
Hi,
managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very
thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist
aching from holding up the port wing.
I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing
and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the
washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers
seat. Still a long way out of trim
I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to
see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit
a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I
presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends
to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up.
Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a
rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used
temporarily to try the idea out.
Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be?
Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale.
If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today
Pat
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Patrick:
Keep that up and you will catch up with me and my flight time in a
MKIIIx.
You did not mention is the X was trimmed up in yaw. If not, the X will
fly one wing low.
The latest X needed a normal sized MKIII rudder trim tab to get the
aircraft trimmed up in yaw. Without it, it would fly one wing low.
Who built your X. Very uncommon for a Kolb to have that much problem in
roll, especially while hauling water in the right seat.
john h
mkIII
managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very
thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist
aching from holding up the port wing.
Pat
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Rick N:
Sounds like he may have his Kentucky Windage adjusters adjusted
backwards. Probably would not be hard to do with a little help from
Murphy.
Never heard of a Kolb with that much adverse roll problem.
john h
mkIII - Departing Tuesday for MV, Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
Hopefully, all these weather systems will move on through before I have
to go. Its a long way to MV from hauck's holler, especially when there
is a couple bad weather systems between here and there.
Wow that is quite a bit out of trim.
Rick Neilsen
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? |
Hmmm....better check my bellcranks out as well.
Wing twisting around the main tube?.....yikes
I hope it had a dampening effect on the turbulence inputs and not a divergent effect.
Still working to get airbourne with my US.
Just need to take the engine out and pressure test to see why the Fan side front
cylinder is running hot, this weekend.
If I can't solve it, the Cuyuna 430 is going in the UL-202's place until I get
it rebuilt.
Once that is resolved I'm going flying at my Test Pilot area, El Mirage Dry lake.
Thanks for the good heads up Dana and John.
--------
Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? |
I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut from
the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing attach point
would help.
Sortof like a Y branch off the main strut going to the trailing edge, and clamped
on to avoid putting holes and weakening the main strut.
Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions?
I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time already with
out any detrimental effect?
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Minnesota Kolb guys |
The youngest needs some retraining.....if he doesn't like to fly then he needs
to study aircraft construction, avionics or engine work. [Laughing]
Ground crew is what best keeps the birds in the air.
Then you'd like him a lot better [Wink]
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? |
> I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing
strut from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts
wing attach point would help.
>
> Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme
conditions?
>
> I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time
> already with out any detrimental effect?
>
> --------
> Ray
Ray:
The problem was corrected by replacing the two internal tubes off the
inboard rib with a collar. Really stiffened up the Kolb wing in twist.
I would not attach a strut from the trailing edge if it were my airplane.
The trailing edge is not a spar, nor is the leading edge.
The wing twist when the ailerons are operated. The more aileron input the
more wing twist. Wing twist cancels out aileron input. Yes, one could get
into trouble in some situations. The Firestar was a great improvement over
the US in this respect.
I wouldn't bet my butt on your last statement above.
john h
mkIII
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Pat
Delighted you're getting some flight time in your Kolb.
But most concerned about your trim problems.
Rather than try to overpower the fault, you should be able to
CORRECT the fault. Needing a lot of stick force simply means it's
trying to fly sideways -- you must figure out WHY and fix it. Sounds
as tho it's fighting itself in the air.
Yes, I know that's easy to me to say, from 2500 miles away.
But you don't need any more problems!
Fair winds, stable stick-forces,
Russ
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On May 8, 2008, at 12:26 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
> Hi,
> managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very
> thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my
> wrist aching from holding up the port wing.
>
> I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port
> wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling
> with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the
> passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim
>
> I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight
> to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse
> is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this.
> Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such
> a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port
> one, up.
> Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a
> rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used
> temporarily to try the idea out.
> Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be?
>
> Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a
> gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today
>
> Pat
>
>
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Pat,
Check to see that the offset joint is turned with the offset down on the
left wing and that it is adjusted so that the trailing edge of the left
wing is as low as possible. If you have an offset joint on the right
wing it should be turned with the offset up.
Your proposed aileron trim is backwards. If you want the left wing up
the left aileron needs to go down.
Steven
MK3
912S
Hi,
managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very
thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist
aching from holding up the port wing.
I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing
and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the
washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers
seat. Still a long way out of trim
I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to
see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit
a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I
presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends
to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up.
Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a
rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used
temporarily to try the idea out.
Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be?
Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale.
If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? |
At 03:40 PM 5/8/2008, jb92563 wrote:
>I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut
>from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing
>attach point would help.
As John H. said, I don't think that'd be a good idea. Adding a collar
seems to be the better fix:
http://tinyurl.com/5krl9m
>Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions?
>
>I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time
>already with out any detrimental effect?
Except for the fact that the US's roll rate is not breathtaking, I don't
think it's a big deal. I haven't heard of any failures due to the
twisting. Only once, flying in turbulent conditions that I wished I hadn't
taken off into, did I actually see the effect. I may look into the collar
if I have to open up the wings for any other reason. The aileron bellcrank
fix I'll do as soon as the tubing arrives.
-Dana
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John W.
Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery
category.
A. #006 - This picture was shot May 2004, at the airstrip during an
early morning sunrise.
B. #003 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour.
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
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John W.
Here is my submission of the final (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery
category.
A. # 010 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour.
B. #2300 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour.
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
Kolbless
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John W.
Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with
Airplane category.
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
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John W.
Here is my submission of the final (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery
from Airplane category.
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
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John W.
Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for the MV
Scenery with Kolbers category.
a. #125 - In Memory of Dave Pelletier, taken May 2004.
b. #04 - My first ride in a Kolb with a great Pilot, Boyd Young, May
2004.
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Williamson
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
<kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com>
The Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest submission deadline is just a
week away.
All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered.
Results of the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo
Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley
Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours.
--------
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181339#181339
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John W.
Guys, last 2 sorry I know I over did it, but I love this place.
a. #04 - John H. and Larry C. May 2004
b. #49 - Dave Pelletier and wife, May 2004
Bob Dalton
wiserguy@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Williamson
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest
<kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com>
All possible Contestants:
The hired Judges from EAA Chapter 34 have asked that a few things be
clarified and modified for the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008
Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D.
1. Submit your photo from past Monument Valley trips to be judged here
for the awards of "Best MV Kolb Photo". Three categories have been
established: Scenery, Scenery with Airplane and Scenery with Kolbers.
Winners will be from each category. If you attended one of our
Gatherings at MV, then you are a Kolber.
2. Photos have to be posted in this thread as a reply.
3. Include a short description of the photo.
4. Photos have to have been taken by the submitter or with their
permission.
5. You can submit more than one photo to be judged in each of the 3
categories
6. Photos have to have been taken by someone flying at MV or building a
Kolb or a Kolber or a family member of a Kolber.
7. Submit photos that are at least 600 pixels wide but not more than
2000 pixels wide.
Rules will be strictly adhered to in order for the winners to be
declared. Photos submitted before this post to another Topic have been
carried over and will be judged.
All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered.
Results of the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo
Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley
Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours.
The bar has been set very high for this Contest folks, so post your best
and good luck.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
Read this topic online here:
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The airplane wing in the second photo looks like someones plane I know.> Fr
om: wiserguy@comcast.net> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-Li
st: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:41:08
-0700> > John W.> > Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures
for Scenery with> Airplane category.> > Bob Dalton> wiserguy@comcast.net> >
>
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In the first photo - the towering rock formation on the right looks
like an Indian tribal head wear - or possibly a turkey depending upon
how you look at it. Interesting.
jerb
At 07:41 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
>John W.
>
>Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with
>Airplane category.
>
>Bob Dalton
>wiserguy@comcast.net
>
>
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