---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/08/08: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Re: radiator shroud (Thom Riddle) 2. 03:44 AM - Firestar Project (william sullivan) 3. 09:22 AM - Re: Firestar Project (John Williamson) 4. 09:29 AM - trim (pj.ladd) 5. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: radiator shroud (robert bean) 6. 09:48 AM - Re: trim (robert bean) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: tubing source? (Dana Hague) 8. 10:09 AM - Re: tubing source? (Dana Hague) 9. 10:09 AM - Re: trim (Mike Welch) 10. 10:26 AM - Re: trim (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 11. 12:04 PM - Re: trim (John Hauck) 12. 12:09 PM - Re: trim (John Hauck) 13. 12:31 PM - Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (jb92563) 14. 12:44 PM - Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (jb92563) 15. 12:53 PM - Re: Minnesota Kolb guys (jb92563) 16. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (John Hauck) 17. 01:08 PM - Q (Russ Kinne) 18. 01:12 PM - Re: trim (Steven Green) 19. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? (Dana Hague) 20. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton) 21. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton) 22. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton) 23. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton) 24. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton) 25. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (Bob Dalton) 26. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (David Key) 27. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest (jerb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: radiator shroud From: "Thom Riddle" Nice job, Bob. Your HVAC heritage is showing... sort of looks like streamlined window air conditioner :-). I hope to see it in person soon. -------- Thom Riddle N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181871#181871 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:15 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar Project Bill V.- Thanks for the history. It helps explain a lot of the odd things I've found, including the light weight. Between John H., you, and a couple of others on the List I'm gradually getting the whole story on the bird. Keep picking your memory. Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Project From: "John Williamson" This was originally posted in September 2007. This .pdf file is a short history of the Kolb line of aircraft. It might answer a few of your questions. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1605 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181934#181934 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbhistory_149.pdf ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:37 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: trim Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:07 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: radiator shroud Mike, the radiator cap ought to hold it on :) The screws are drilled head AN bolts. BB do not archive On 7, May 2008, at 6:16 PM, planecrazzzy wrote: > > > Hey Bob, > Damn nice job ! > > Hope you got those two screws "Safety wired" > > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181797#181797 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:16 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Pat, presumption correct. How close are the two wings to each other using a protractor? Shouldn't be THAT much off. Was it like this pre-accident? I currently have a homely looking tab on the right wing, I plan on replacing it with a longer. narrower one for esthetic reasons. Haven't rushed it because it flies hands-off. Of course you could fly it right seat like you do your motorcars to compensate. BB do not archive On 8, May 2008, at 12:26 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > Hi, > managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very > thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my > wrist aching from holding up the port wing. > > I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port > wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling > with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the > passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim > > I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight > to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse > is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. > Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such > a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port > one, up. > Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a > rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used > temporarily to try the idea out. > Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? > > Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a > gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:07 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tubing source? Thanks Mike, I just ordered it (they didn't have .095 though their website lists it, but they did have the .120 which is close enough). Also ordered the parts to reinforce the aileron bellcrank. Seems like a good outfit to deal with. BTW, their direct website is http://shapirosupply.com . -Dana At 12:35 AM 5/8/2008, Mike Welch wrote: >Hey Dana, > >Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I >got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear >legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what >you are looking for. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 > >They're phone number is in the auction page. > >Best of luck, > >Mike Welch >MkIII CX "under construction" > > >Be a better friend, newshound, and > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:07 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: tubing source? Thanks Mike, I just ordered it (they didn't have .095 though their website lists it, but they did have the .120 which is close enough). Also ordered the parts to reinforce the aileron bellcrank. Seems like a good outfit to deal with. BTW, their direct website is http://shapirosupply.com . -Dana At 12:35 AM 5/8/2008, Mike Welch wrote: >Hey Dana, > >Check out this link from eBay. I'm pretty sure this is the outfit that I >got my chromoly from, to build my new super dooper steel gear >legs. They've got 1" X 1" X.120 chromoly, and most likely exactly what >you are looking for. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/4130-NORM-CHROM-MOLY-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBING-1-x1-x-120x6_W0QQitemZ220147209663QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29402QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 > >They're phone number is in the auction page. > >Best of luck, > >Mike Welch >MkIII CX "under construction" > > >Be a better friend, newshound, and > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- Beam me up, Scotty, it ate my phaser. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:49 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: trim Oy'e Mate!! Pat, If it were me I'd back up a little before I started adding a trim tab. That strikes as a "band-aid" fix for possibly a much more serious problem. Have you checked the wings' complete angle of incidence at several location...with a digital level? It might be a good idea to make a drawing of your wings, and take a digital reading at 4-5 precise locations for both wings. This should reveal "why" the heavy left wing!! (Be sure to level the fuselage to at least a tenth of a degree!) Before I started attaching stuff to the outside of the plane, I would insure the fuselage cage is PERFECT, with the wing attach points EXACTLY the same, and not off any between the two rear locations!! (most likely it isn't, but you sure would want to verify that!) By the way, if for some reason the wing rear attach fittings were off a little, I'd ask TNK to weld you a offset fitting. If you establish the fuselage is exactly straight and square, and the wings are rigged exactly the same, then double check the tailfeathers, to make sure they don't have some hidden twist in their mounting. I know you are a bright chap, and probably did all these things, but I'd recommend finding out WHY the port wing is so heavy, prior to adding a trim tab. Are these the same wings involved in your mishap? Did this "tweak" them? Your digital level should reveal the "gremlin". Just my thoughts. Tah! Mike Welch MkIII ________________________________ From: pj.ladd@btinternet.com Subject: Kolb-List: trim Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Pat Wow that is quite a bit out of trim. Please double check you have the wing incidence adjusters set correctly. Sounds like you have a incidence adjustor on each wing if not get one for the other side. Look down the wing leading edge, then the trailing edge from one of the wing tip towards the other. Are the wings aligned the same? Are the wings or a wing twisted? You may be out of alignment enough that you can drill another front wing attachment hole on one of the wings to get it within the limits of your incidence adjusters. You want to drill the hole far enough away from the original hole that you will have enough metal between the holes for adequate strength. Sounds like you will. Flying to MESA on Thursday and then driving to MV on Friday. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: pj.ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Kolb-List: trim Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:02 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Patrick: Keep that up and you will catch up with me and my flight time in a MKIIIx. You did not mention is the X was trimmed up in yaw. If not, the X will fly one wing low. The latest X needed a normal sized MKIII rudder trim tab to get the aircraft trimmed up in yaw. Without it, it would fly one wing low. Who built your X. Very uncommon for a Kolb to have that much problem in roll, especially while hauling water in the right seat. john h mkIII managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. Pat ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:27 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Rick N: Sounds like he may have his Kentucky Windage adjusters adjusted backwards. Probably would not be hard to do with a little help from Murphy. Never heard of a Kolb with that much adverse roll problem. john h mkIII - Departing Tuesday for MV, Lord willing and the creek don't rise. Hopefully, all these weather systems will move on through before I have to go. Its a long way to MV from hauck's holler, especially when there is a couple bad weather systems between here and there. Wow that is quite a bit out of trim. Rick Neilsen ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? From: "jb92563" Hmmm....better check my bellcranks out as well. Wing twisting around the main tube?.....yikes I hope it had a dampening effect on the turbulence inputs and not a divergent effect. Still working to get airbourne with my US. Just need to take the engine out and pressure test to see why the Fan side front cylinder is running hot, this weekend. If I can't solve it, the Cuyuna 430 is going in the UL-202's place until I get it rebuilt. Once that is resolved I'm going flying at my Test Pilot area, El Mirage Dry lake. Thanks for the good heads up Dana and John. -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181985#181985 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? From: "jb92563" I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing attach point would help. Sortof like a Y branch off the main strut going to the trailing edge, and clamped on to avoid putting holes and weakening the main strut. Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions? I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time already with out any detrimental effect? -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181988#181988 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Minnesota Kolb guys From: "jb92563" The youngest needs some retraining.....if he doesn't like to fly then he needs to study aircraft construction, avionics or engine work. [Laughing] Ground crew is what best keeps the birds in the air. Then you'd like him a lot better [Wink] -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181989#181989 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:14 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? > I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing attach point would help. > > Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions? > > I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time > already with out any detrimental effect? > > -------- > Ray Ray: The problem was corrected by replacing the two internal tubes off the inboard rib with a collar. Really stiffened up the Kolb wing in twist. I would not attach a strut from the trailing edge if it were my airplane. The trailing edge is not a spar, nor is the leading edge. The wing twist when the ailerons are operated. The more aileron input the more wing twist. Wing twist cancels out aileron input. Yes, one could get into trouble in some situations. The Firestar was a great improvement over the US in this respect. I wouldn't bet my butt on your last statement above. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:43 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Kolb-List: Q Pat Delighted you're getting some flight time in your Kolb. But most concerned about your trim problems. Rather than try to overpower the fault, you should be able to CORRECT the fault. Needing a lot of stick force simply means it's trying to fly sideways -- you must figure out WHY and fix it. Sounds as tho it's fighting itself in the air. Yes, I know that's easy to me to say, from 2500 miles away. But you don't need any more problems! Fair winds, stable stick-forces, Russ do not archive On May 8, 2008, at 12:26 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > Hi, > managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very > thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my > wrist aching from holding up the port wing. > > I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port > wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling > with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the > passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim > > I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight > to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse > is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. > Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such > a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port > one, up. > Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a > rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used > temporarily to try the idea out. > Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? > > Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a > gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:47 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Pat, Check to see that the offset joint is turned with the offset down on the left wing and that it is adjusted so that the trailing edge of the left wing is as low as possible. If you have an offset joint on the right wing it should be turned with the offset up. Your proposed aileron trim is backwards. If you want the left wing up the left aileron needs to go down. Steven MK3 912S Hi, managed another 30 minutes flying in the Xtra yesterday in very thermic conditions with poor viz. Landed after the flight with my wrist aching from holding up the port wing. I have the wing incidence set to produce maximum lift on the port wing and minimum on the starboard, within the limits of fiddling with the washers and I had about 40 litres of water lashed to the passengers seat. Still a long way out of trim I plan to use the `bungee round the stick` method on my next flight to see if that helps. After that it seems that the only recourse is to fit a trim tab. I am sure someone has experience with this. Any comments? I presume that I should fit it to the aileron in such a way that it tends to push the s`board aileron down and the port one, up. Anyone any ideas for fixing. There doesn`t seem much there to pop a rivet in. What about a Velcro strip ?. At least that could be used temporarily to try the idea out. Any ideas about he size a tab would need to be? Beautiful day today. Hot and sunny. Unfortunately blowing half a gale. If it doesn`t drop this evening there will be no flying today Pat ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:10 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ultrastar aileron bellcrank? At 03:40 PM 5/8/2008, jb92563 wrote: >I was thinking about the wing twisting and wondered if a second wing strut >from the trailing edge to a couple feet before the existing struts wing >attach point would help. As John H. said, I don't think that'd be a good idea. Adding a collar seems to be the better fix: http://tinyurl.com/5krl9m >Perhaps the twisting is not really a big problem except in extreme conditions? > >I suppose the Kolb's wings have been twisting this way for some time >already with out any detrimental effect? Except for the fact that the US's roll rate is not breathtaking, I don't think it's a big deal. I haven't heard of any failures due to the twisting. Only once, flying in turbulent conditions that I wished I hadn't taken off into, did I actually see the effect. I may look into the collar if I have to open up the wings for any other reason. The aileron bellcrank fix I'll do as soon as the tubing arrives. -Dana -- Refuse Novocain... Transcend Dental Medication. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:43 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest John W. Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery category. A. #006 - This picture was shot May 2004, at the airstrip during an early morning sunrise. B. #003 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour. Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net Kolbless 0 Hours ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:45 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest John W. Here is my submission of the final (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery category. A. # 010 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour. B. #2300 - Taken May 2004 on the self drive tour. Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net Kolbless 0 Hours ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:37 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest John W. Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with Airplane category. Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:38 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest John W. Here is my submission of the final (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery from Airplane category. Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:46 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest John W. Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for the MV Scenery with Kolbers category. a. #125 - In Memory of Dave Pelletier, taken May 2004. b. #04 - My first ride in a Kolb with a great Pilot, Boyd Young, May 2004. Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest The Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest submission deadline is just a week away. All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered. Results of the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181339#181339 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:41 PM PST US From: "Bob Dalton" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest John W. Guys, last 2 sorry I know I over did it, but I love this place. a. #04 - John H. and Larry C. May 2004 b. #49 - Dave Pelletier and wife, May 2004 Bob Dalton wiserguy@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Williamson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest All possible Contestants: The hired Judges from EAA Chapter 34 have asked that a few things be clarified and modified for the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D. 1. Submit your photo from past Monument Valley trips to be judged here for the awards of "Best MV Kolb Photo". Three categories have been established: Scenery, Scenery with Airplane and Scenery with Kolbers. Winners will be from each category. If you attended one of our Gatherings at MV, then you are a Kolber. 2. Photos have to be posted in this thread as a reply. 3. Include a short description of the photo. 4. Photos have to have been taken by the submitter or with their permission. 5. You can submit more than one photo to be judged in each of the 3 categories 6. Photos have to have been taken by someone flying at MV or building a Kolb or a Kolber or a family member of a Kolber. 7. Submit photos that are at least 600 pixels wide but not more than 2000 pixels wide. Rules will be strictly adhered to in order for the winners to be declared. Photos submitted before this post to another Topic have been carried over and will be judged. All photos submitted before 2400 hours, 12 May 2008 will be considered. Results of the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D will be announced on the Monument Valley Airport flightline Friday, 16 May 2008 at 1700 hours. The bar has been set very high for this Contest folks, so post your best and good luck. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1595 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178277#178277 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:03 PM PST US From: David Key Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest The airplane wing in the second photo looks like someones plane I know.> Fr om: wiserguy@comcast.net> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Kolb-Li st: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:41:08 -0700> > John W.> > Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with> Airplane category.> > Bob Dalton> wiserguy@comcast.net> > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:41 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest In the first photo - the towering rock formation on the right looks like an Indian tribal head wear - or possibly a turkey depending upon how you look at it. Interesting. jerb At 07:41 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote: >John W. > >Here is my submission of the first (2) of (4) pictures for Scenery with >Airplane category. > >Bob Dalton >wiserguy@comcast.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.