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1. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions (John Hauck)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions (John Hauck)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions (boyd)
4. 10:34 AM - Re: trim (Ron)
5. 10:38 AM - Re: Red Bull at Monument Valley (Ron)
6. 11:07 AM - Re: fuel (Ron)
7. 11:52 AM - Mothers Day (planecrazzzy)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: fuel (DAquaNut@aol.com)
9. 02:34 PM - Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Dana Hague)
10. 02:50 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (DAquaNut@aol.com)
11. 02:50 PM - Length of the MXIII (Cloyd Watson)
12. 02:57 PM - Re: fuel (robert bean)
13. 03:26 PM - Re: Length of the MXIII (planecrazzzy)
14. 03:47 PM - Re: fuel (Eugene Zimmerman)
15. 04:04 PM - Re: fuel (Dana Hague)
16. 04:09 PM - Re: Length of the MXIII (Dwight)
17. 04:17 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Dana Hague)
18. 04:34 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (John Hauck)
19. 04:52 PM - Re: fuel (J.D. Stewart)
20. 04:54 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Dana Hague)
21. 06:11 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (The BaronVonEvil)
22. 06:14 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Ralph B)
23. 06:17 PM - Re: Length of the MXIII (Mike Welch)
24. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Dana Hague)
25. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Dana Hague)
26. 09:33 PM - Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? (Dwight)
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions |
Dan G:
Tie downs cables are installed at Goudings.
Always a good idea to have your own tie downs that will work in dirt and
rock, and a way to get them in the ground. Never know when you might
have to tie down your airplane enroute.
john h
mkIII
Thanks everyone for the info. Another question - what do they have
for tie downs at MV? Are there plenty of anchors in the ground or do I
need to bring something?
Dan G.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions |
Gang:
I forgot to mention, you will need to bring your own ropes to tie to the
cables at Gouldings.
john h
mkIII
Tie downs cables are installed at Goudings.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flyin Questions |
There are 2 long cables anchored into the ground that you can tie YOUR
tie down ropes to. One year when we arrived I tried to twist some tie downs
in with no luck. they had just re done the tie down area and had not re
installed the cables,, when they saw all the planes arriving,,, they
quickly got the cables re installed.
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 500 + hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Thanks everyone for the info. Another question - what do they have for tie
downs at MV? Are there plenty of anchors in the ground or do I need to
bring something?
Dan G.
503 F2
Tucson AZ
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"The port wing is the one that was rebuilt after the crunch but the builder
has a top class reputation"
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A reputation is only good till the next time one screws up. Then he gotta start
earning it all over again. I have been doing aviation stuff for many years, I
try to do everything myself but sometimes I havta pay others for things I can't
do. Reputations in my world means that the shop has not screwed up recently
or that I simply didn't talk to the right people. In other words everybody screws
up, if it is or isn't your turn to be screwed is just another point on a
statistics graph.
Sorry for the cynicism but that's the way the world works most times. :-)
just a few days ago a fellow with good "reputation" cross threaded a nut on a wheel
stud on My GMC Yukon between El Paso and Arizona. I saw him put the nut in
the impact wrench and then bolt it on, I was tired so I didn't even notice it.
Normal practice is to hand mount the nut and then use the impact wrench to
tighten. The fellow had good reputation, till he did that. Stuff happens !!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Red Bull at Monument Valley |
they ain't workin'...
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---- "Kirby wrote:
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Kolb Friends -
Here's a short video I discovered recently.
This is what was happening the week before our 5th annual Kolb Gathering
at Monument Valley, last year.
It is also the reason why the Goulding's runway got new pavement, and
why they painted "RB" on the approach end of runway 35. (Instead of
"35.")
HYPERLINK
"http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-7-6-red_bull-hitt
ing-pylon.MOV"
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-7-6-red_bull-hitti
ng-pylon.MOV
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
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I often wonder just how much of the maligning of ethanol is being done by the oil
monopoly through hacks. First they tell you the cost of food is going up because
of ethanol, then they tell you its bad for your motor. Cost of food is
going up because the diesel used to farm is at over 4 bucks a gallon. There is
no shortage of food anywhere except where people can't afford it because it costs
so much to farm it with the price of diesel. We have plenty of land to plant
on, if more corn is needed they will plant more corn. In fact that is exactly
what's happening right now. Corporation still have strong competition from
single farmers, so they cannot do their monopoly pricing for long before farmer
fred steps in and plants more. The oil companies have been ripping us off for
over 100 years, they have their propaganda and pocket politicians refined about
as good as they know how to refine oil. Ethanol is better for your motor,
burns cleaner and cooler. It has less thermal energy per weight, so higher compression
motors are needed to get the most out of it.
I think we should all be sort of skeptical and maybe angry with those who do the
bidding of the oil monopoly.
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---- william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> wrote:
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I suggest that anyone interested in ethanol in their fuel read the last few days
of the Matronics Rotax List Digest. Very interesting, informative reading-
especially for those making long CC flights.
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Bill Sullivan
FS/KX/447
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Happy "Mothers" Day,...All you "Mothers"
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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In a message dated 5/11/2008 1:08:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
captainron1@cox.net writes:
Ethanol is better for your motor, burns cleaner and cooler. It has less
thermal energ!
The only people that benefit from the ethanol are the
farmers ( possibly) , the processor , and the government. If there is one REAL
benefit from ethanol to the consumer someone please blurt it out! When you
consider the pollution created during processing, there is more polluting going
on than if we just burned a gallon of plain ole gas. Ethanol causes
bearings to rust and fail. Ethanol causes worse mileage. Ethanol absorbs water.
It can cause trouble in our 2-strokes by causing a shortage of oil on the
cylinder walls due to oil not mixing with water. Ethanol eats things regular
gas wont. Ethanol causes my rotax to run hotter than with straight gas. When
all is said and done Ethanol doesn't reduce pollution . The Government is
cramming it down our throats . How can we fight back????? Have you
noticed how much is being said about we need to conserve fuel since we are paying
4.00 a gallon. They dont have to because we are using
less fuel on average than we ever have. Its simple. You buy what they sat
you can buy or you do without ----------- unless you can make it your self'
It is no longer we the people. Its we the GOVERNMENT! It just kills me
every time I fill up at Walmart. On the the pump it says Ethanol
---------enhanced--- BALONEY!!!!!
At least we still have a choice Take it or leave it!
This is definitely related to my Kolb!
I am off my soapbox now sorry if you did not want to listen !
Blue sky's to all!
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| Subject: | Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
Strange behavior from my engine today...
Today I decided, for the first time since I've owned it, to fly my
UltraStar to another airport about 10 miles away. Previously all my
flights have been in the close vicinity of my home field. Anyway, 'bout
10-15 minutes into the flight, cruising at 5700 rpm and 3000', I lost
power. It didn't actually quit; it was more like it was just throttled
back suddenly. My hand at the moment wasn't on the throttle but on my lap,
keeping warm. Without thinking to check where the throttle was, I reached
down and pushed it forward, and I instantly had full power again. Temps
were normal.
My first thought was that the throttle friction lock had slipped, but to be
safe I headed back home. The engine continued to run normally, so I just
flew around for another 5 minutes or so over the airport, letting the plane
slowly climb to about 3500', then reduced power to about 3000 rpm to
descend at cruise airspeed. After a minute or two of this, the engine
just... quit. I wasn't too alarmed as I was right over the airport, so I
tried to restart. Several pulls and nothing, then a couple shots of prime,
and finally it caught and started at full throttle, but with no power. Too
much prime, perhaps, as jockeying the throttle a few times brought it back
to normal power, and I had no further trouble, though I landed as soon as
possible.
On the ground, the engine ran fine at all throttle settings from idle to
WOT. Killed the ignition at 5500 and checked the plugs; I would say they
were too light except that they were brand new before this flight. Wiggled
the wires while running, no hint of trouble there.
This is the ULII-02 engine, low hours, Mikuni carb, jetted (310 main jet)
per manufacturer's specs for sea level (where my airport is) at 40-60F
(temps today were around 60), and the plug color previously indicated the
specs are appropriate. Running 93 octane auto gas (switched from 100LL a
few weeks ago). The new plugs were the only change since the last flight
(the old plugs were fine but I wanted to replace them with solid terminal
plugs). The only other odd thing was the plugs were slightly too loose
(when I installed them after the last flight I was using a different wrench
and didn't tighten them enough), but they weren't _loose_, just not
properly torqued. The only other odd thing I noticed (or perhaps not odd,
just never noticed before) is that in flight (but not on the ground) it
didn't want to seem to hold exactly 3000 rpm, and the EGT fluctuated a bit
at that rpm.
At this point I'm a bit nervous... and open to ideas.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
In a message dated 5/11/2008 4:35:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
At this point I'm a bit nervous... and open to ideas.
-Dana
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Were the EGTS running high while you were coasting down at 3000
rpm? Any Ethanol in the gas? Ethanol does cause the engine to run leaner
than plain gas. Did it load up possibly? Let us know what you come up with!
Ed FF#62
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| Subject: | Length of the MXIII |
Hi Guys,
What is the length of the Mark III Xtra? In other words .... how long
of a trailer do I need??
Thanks,
Cloyd
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ethanol bad? I agree
oil companies bad? wrong
You could buy oil company stock too.
BB
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On 11, May 2008, at 4:33 PM, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 5/11/2008 1:08:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> captainron1@cox.net writes:
> Ethanol is better for your motor, burns cleaner and cooler. It has
> less thermal energ!
>
> The only people that benefit from the ethanol are
> the farmers ( possibly) , the processor , and the government. If
> there is one REAL benefit from ethanol to the consumer someone
> please blurt it out! When you consider the pollution created
> during processing, there is more polluting going on than if we just
> burned a gallon of plain ole gas. Ethanol causes bearings to rust
> and fail. Ethanol causes worse mileage. Ethanol absorbs water.
> It can cause trouble in our 2-strokes by causing a shortage of oil
> on the cylinder walls due to oil not mixing with water. Ethanol
> eats things regular gas wont. Ethanol causes my rotax to run hotter
> than with straight gas. When all is said and done Ethanol
> doesn't reduce pollution . The Government is cramming it down our
> throats . How can we fight back????? Have you noticed how much
> is being said about we need to conserve fuel since we are paying
> 4.00 a gallon. They dont have to because we are using
> less fuel on average than we ever have. Its simple. You buy what
> they sat you can buy or you do without ----------- unless you can
> make it your self' It is no longer we the people. Its we the
> GOVERNMENT! It just kills me every time I fill up at Walmart.
> On the the pump it says Ethanol ---------enhanced--- BALONEY!!!!!
> At least we still have a choice Take it or leave it!
>
> This is definitely related to my Kolb!
> I am off my soapbox now sorry if you did not want to listen !
> Blue sky's to all!
>
> Ed Diebel FF# 62 Do Not Archive!!!!!
>
>
> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family
> favorites at AOL Food.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Length of the MXIII |
In this case.... Length "doesn't matter...
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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On May 11, 2008, at 5:54 PM, robert bean wrote:
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> You could buy oil company stock too.
Nah, What are you guys thinking?
Buy a farm, raise corn ,,,,,,,,, bonus
free runway with hanger,
park tractor under old tree. no tie-downs neccessary.
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At 05:54 PM 5/11/2008, robert bean wrote:
>ethanol bad? I agree
>oil companies bad? wrong
Politicians bad.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Length of the MXIII |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> In this case.... Length " doesn't " matter...
> .
> .
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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> .
> .
Tell that to your girlfriend ;^)
Seriously, how much tongue weight is on your trailer with the plane in place?
Looking at the bottom picture, it sure looks like most of the weight is way back
and could make the trailer unstable, wagging at speed. How does it tow?
Thanks,
Dwight
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
At 05:48 PM 5/11/2008, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote:
>
> Were the EGTS running high while you were coasting down at
> 3000 rpm? Any Ethanol in the gas? Ethanol does cause the engine to run
> leaner than plain gas. Did it load up possibly? Let us know what you
> come up with!
I didn't look that I can recall, but I don't think so... typically the EGT
drops right down as soon as I reduce the throttle below cruise. There _is_
ethanol (probably 10%) in the gas, but the air temp (almost warm enough to
use the next smaller jet) and the 3500' altitude makes me thing it would be
rich, if anything. Loading up is a possibility, but it took prime to
restart it.
A poster on another list suggested carb ice, and the temp/dewpoint supports
that, but at cruise that would make for a gradual rpm drop, not sudden as I
experienced... and the last time I concluded a carb ice problem I was wrong
(and these engines / carbs aren't terribly prone to icing anyway). Also
the quick recovery in the first case, and the restart in the second case,
make me not think that's it... but I could be wrong.
-Dana
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scum on top.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
Dana:
If it were my Cuyuna and US, I would first ascertain that the throttle
lever had enough friction and had not vibrated towards the closed
position.
If throttle position was not the culprit, I'd check to make sure the
engine was not trying to seize. Two strokes are sneaky. They'll set a
pilot up to bust his ass later down the road. I know that from
experience.
I would not suspect carb problems. How would the carb change unless you
changed it?
Ignition is CDI and not adjustable. A though though. Doesn't the
Cuyuna CDI work just opposite from the Rotax? Trying to remember, but
one of them must be grounded to run. I believe it is the Cuyuna. If
you did not have a good ground, you may have been having some ignition
problems.
I'm brain storming, for what it is worth. Been a long time since I had
a two stroke drive me nuts. Easy to forget a lot of stuff.
Had a ULII02 that failed a PTO crank bearing. Gave very similar
symptoms as yours right up until the crank shaft locked up.
john h
mkIII
Also the quick recovery in the first case, and the restart in the
second case, make me not think that's it... but I could be wrong.
-Dana
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Mine's coming up for sale:
http://jstewart.inebraska.com/acreage.htm
Plenty of room in the hangar for a tractor, boat, motorhome, 2 more planes,
etc. :>)
J.D. Stewart
UltraFun AirSports, LLC
www.ultrafunairsports.com
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> Nah, What are you guys thinking?
>
> Buy a farm, raise corn ,,,,,,,,, bonus
> free runway with hanger,
> park tractor under old tree. no tie-downs neccessary.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
At 07:32 PM 5/11/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>
>If it were my Cuyuna and US, I would first ascertain that the throttle
>lever had enough friction and had not vibrated towards the closed position.
That was my first thought, but it never happened before, and it seemed
normal afterwards. And it definitely wasn't the problem the second time.
>I would not suspect carb problems. How would the carb change unless you
>changed it?
I don't suspect that either; I only mentioned jetting to paint a full picture.
>Doesn't the Cuyuna CDI work just opposite from the Rotax? Trying to
>remember, but one of them must be grounded to run. I believe it is the
>Cuyuna. If you did not have a good ground, you may have been having some
>ignition problems.
Correct, the Cuyuna must be grounded to run. Ignition problem would
explain the second time (when it actually quit), but not the drop in rpm
the first time.
>Had a ULII02 that failed a PTO crank bearing. Gave very similar symptoms
>as yours right up until the crank shaft locked up.
Really? Intermittent failure and easy restart? How would you check
it? Come to think of it, there _was_ a funny sound as I climbed out on my
first takeoff, but it went away after I throttled back to cruise power. I
landed anyway, found nothing wrong, but some of the prop leading edge tape
was loose so I trimmed it back... and I didn't hear the noise after that,
so I took off again. It was a light sound, like something fluttering in
the wind, or a loose muffler spring (it wasn't but I'm trying to describe
it), or perhaps even ignition noise in my headset.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
Hi Dana,
You might want to check the fuel filters for dirt. Also check your fuel tank pickups
and the inside of the tanks themselves. Pull the carburetor bowl and check
it for dirt as well.
Dirt may be choking off the fuel flow as fuel is being pulled to the engine by
the fuel pump. Dirt will sometime collect at the pickups as fuel is flowing and
drift away from the pickups once the fuel flow has ceased.
You should also do a compression check of the engine to help verify it is okay.
A small LED light through the spark hole can be used to inspect the condition
of the cylinder walls with the pistons at bottom dead center.
It sounds like a fuel starvation issue to me. Usually when an ignition system quits
it stays dead until the cause is remedied.
Just My Two Cents,
Carlos G
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
Dana, you can take the exhaust manifold off and check the rings and cylinders.
Look for any scuffing and stuck rings. The engine can run on one piston ring,
but it will lack power.
If you don't find anything, run it for a full 10 minutes tied on the ground. An
easy way to do this with an auto tow rope. Wrap one end around the front wheel
of your car and the ground, and the other end wrapped around the tailwheel assembly.
Ralph
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N91493 E-AB
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
At 09:11 PM 5/11/2008, Ralph B wrote:
>Dana, you can take the exhaust manifold off and check the rings and
>cylinders. Look for any scuffing and stuck rings. The engine can run on
>one piston ring, but it will lack power.
Didn't have partial power, it just quit... then restarted and run at full
power. But it is something to check if I don't find anything else.
>If you don't find anything, run it for a full 10 minutes tied on the
>ground. An easy way to do this with an auto tow rope. Wrap one end around
>the front wheel of your car and the ground, and the other end wrapped
>around the tailwheel assembly.
Ran it afterwards for several minutes at WOT (chocks alone will hold
it). No problems in that time.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
At 09:08 PM 5/11/2008, The BaronVonEvil wrote:
>You might want to check the fuel filters for dirt. Also check your fuel
>tank pickups and the inside of the tanks themselves. Pull the carburetor
>bowl and check it for dirt as well.
The filter (clear glass) is clean, but I'll check the bowl.
>Dirt may be choking off the fuel flow as fuel is being pulled to the
>engine by the fuel pump. Dirt will sometime collect at the pickups as
>fuel is flowing and drift away from the pickups once the fuel flow has ceased.
Possible but doubtful, as I have two interconnected tanks, and two
independent pickups tee'd together feeding the engine.
>You should also do a compression check of the engine to help verify it is
>okay. A small LED light through the spark hole can be used to inspect
>the condition of the cylinder walls with the pistons at bottom dead center.
>
>It sounds like a fuel starvation issue to me. Usually when an ignition
>system quits it stays dead until the cause is remedied.
A major mechanical engine problem doesn't seem to fit the symptoms. A fuel
problem seems more likely... the fuel pump is another thing I need to look at.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Engine quit today, now to figure out why? |
[quote="The BaronVonEvil"]Hi Dana,
You might want to check the fuel filters for dirt. Also check your fuel tank pickups
and the inside of the tanks themselves. Pull the carburetor bowl and check
it for dirt as well.
Dirt may be choking off the fuel flow as fuel is being pulled to the engine by
the fuel pump. >>
agreed-
I would consider pulling the 90's and tee's off of your fuel system and examining
them real close. I've seen the metal 90's that push in the grommet plug up
really bad from rust and crud. Same goes for the tees.
I've also seen a old grommet break a pc off and this lodge in the fitting. If
you have an old fuel system, and have recently started using ethanol this can
start stuff breaking loose and plugging fittings etc. You might also consider
the fuel pump if it is getting old.
Just my .02 hope you get it figured out soon.
Dwight
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