---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/16/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:44 AM - Re: trim (pj.ladd) 2. 02:39 AM - Re: trim (pj.ladd) 3. 02:54 AM - Re: trim (pj.ladd) 4. 02:54 AM - Re: trim (pj.ladd) 5. 04:20 AM - Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway (gary aman) 6. 04:48 AM - Re: trim (Dana Hague) 7. 06:54 AM - Re: trim (robert bean) 8. 07:12 AM - Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway (Russ Kinne) 9. 07:22 AM - Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway (ross richardson) 10. 08:08 AM - Re: CPS Sucks! (Russ Kinne) 11. 08:22 AM - Re: trim (Russ Kinne) 12. 01:42 PM - Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (jim) 13. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (Mike Welch) 14. 04:09 PM - Re: trim (possums) 15. 04:24 PM - Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (jim) 16. 05:04 PM - Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (JetPilot) 17. 05:07 PM - Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway (JetPilot) 18. 05:13 PM - Re: trim (Russ Kinne) 19. 06:05 PM - Re: 100LL long term vs. alkie (JetPilot) 20. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (knowvne@aol.com) 21. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (knowvne@aol.com) 22. 07:26 PM - Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest Winners (John Williamson) 23. 08:40 PM - Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (Mike Welch) 24. 08:54 PM - Monument Valley or bust!! (Mike Welch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:54 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim my cheep 1/2" air driver has been THE most useful tool. In my case, >> Hi Robert, I am constantly surprised by the level of equipment which the average American hobbyist seems to have. and the skills to use it. I can think of nowhere outside a professional shop which would have a compressor and air lines driven tools. I remember many years ago visiting an American D I Y Store and was astounded by the selection of replacement lawnmower engines which were available off the shelf. I have never seen a replacement engine in the UK. Unless they are really keen a battery powered hand drill and a few woodworking tools are about the usual. Because I grew up in a timber and builders merchants I may have leanings toward wood and it could be that in the Midlands (about the centre of England) which used to be the manufacturing centre of the UK things are different. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:26 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Language is a funny thing. What is a "power driven spanner" ?>> Hi Eugene, perhaps that is a poor description. I meant a device which grips a nut (as in nut and bolt) and turns it without the application of manual strength. Reminds me of the old joke "I call my girl friend Spanner, because when she walks by my nuts tighten up` Apologies to the few females on the list. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:56 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Often used to put a tire (sorry, tyre) on, when it shouldn't. >> Hi Russ, The complexities of language. We would not put a tyre (ot tire) on like that. We would would put the WHEEL on like that, and use `wheel nuts` and the instrument you describe, rattle gun, is always used in specialist Tyre and Exhaust outlets and on assembly lines and can be set to a pre arranged torque. Putting the Tyre (or Tire) on the wheel (or rim) is a different process. I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use `spanner`. A device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a longer handled tool with a gripping device, usually adjustable, on one end. Churchill said `Two great countries divided by the same language` Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:56 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim A very handy devise>> Hi Tony, pursuing the semantics. Is that a typo or regular spelling. We would say `device`, although we may `devise` a way of doing something.. Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow their plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:26 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway I'm not sure ,but didn't jetpilot say something about a turtle whistle ? ----- Original Message ---- From: Dana Hague Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:49:13 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway At 06:32 PM 5/15/2008, ross richardson wrote: >We see a deer now and then but have a turtle problem. They don't stand out >like the deer and tend to blend in to the grass until your ready to set it >down. A friend and I hit one in his Challenger and bent the noise wheel. >We spent the rest of the week end walking the runway spray painting every >one we found with a bright orange marking paint. ...mystifying wildlife biologists for the next decade... :) -Dana -- Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um.... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:52 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use `spanner`. A >device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a longer handled tool >with a gripping device, usually adjustable, on one end. OK, now I'm confused. We have: Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which can include: -Socket wrench: combination of a rachet handle and interchangeable snap-on sockets, which grip the nut on all six sides (note that "Snap-On" is also a brand name, considered by many to be the finest available) -Open end wrench: fork ended thingy in various sizes, anywhere from several inches to several feet long -Box wrench: similar to the open end, but fully encircles the nut like a socket (often in combination with an open end wrench, one on each end, to make a "combination wrench" -Adjustable wrench: an open end wrench with a worm screw adjustment for different sizes (often called a "Crescent wrench" after one of the most popular manufacturers) -Monkey wrench: an adjustable wrench with the jaws at 90 to the handle, usually larger than a crescent wrench, usually used for plumbing -Pipe wrench: also for plumbing, an adjustable wrench with a floating head and teeth to grip a smooth sided pipe -Impact wrench and air ratchet: power driven devices that you use with sockets So which one is a "spanner"? >Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow their >plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? BRAKES slow your plane down whether you're in the UK or America. BREAKS are something that's broken (yes, a misspelling, not an "Americanism"). -Dana -- Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:16 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim roughly 75% of americans can spell. -some just don't care. Monkey wrench also called Ford wrench because Ford at one time included one, with logo upon it, with the car. I have a couple and a 29 Tudor. Spud wrench, for the toilet (loo) tank connection gland nut Chain wrench crow foot... too many to list, try here for a good compilation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrench BB, Kolb MkIII, flew first of the season on wednesday On 16, May 2008, at 7:43 AM, Dana Hague wrote: > > At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: > >> I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use >> `spanner`. A device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a >> longer handled tool with a gripping device, usually adjustable, >> on one end. > > OK, now I'm confused. We have: > > Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which can > include: > -Socket wrench: combination of a rachet handle and > interchangeable snap-on sockets, which grip the nut on all six > sides (note that "Snap-On" is also a brand name, considered by many > to be the finest available) > -Open end wrench: fork ended thingy in various sizes, > anywhere from several inches to several feet long > -Box wrench: similar to the open end, but fully encircles > the nut like a socket (often in combination with an open end > wrench, one on each end, to make a "combination wrench" > -Adjustable wrench: an open end wrench with a worm screw > adjustment for different sizes (often called a "Crescent wrench" > after one of the most popular manufacturers) > -Monkey wrench: an adjustable wrench with the jaws at 90=B0 > to the handle, usually larger than a crescent wrench, usually used > for plumbing > -Pipe wrench: also for plumbing, an adjustable wrench with > a floating head and teeth to grip a smooth sided pipe > -Impact wrench and air ratchet: power driven devices that > you use with sockets > > So which one is a "spanner"? > >> Incidentally I notice that many on the list use `breakes` to slow >> their plane down while we would use `brakes`. Same problem? > > BRAKES slow your plane down whether you're in the UK or America. > BREAKS are something that's broken (yes, a misspelling, not an > "Americanism"). > > -Dana > > > -- > Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the > ark. Professionals built the Titanic. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:05 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway FWIW - I've seen a hundred sheep sharing the runway with aircraft, gliders and their tugs, in Holland. Pilots just keep roaring out in a jeep & scaring them away repeatedly, until they keep to 'their end'. Labor-intensive, but it does work, even tho sheep are dumber than cows. At least their droppings are smaller than a cow's 'slick pies'. Wonder if cattle-prods would be an acceptable option ? Nasty thing to do to a nice cow, but -- do not archive. On May 16, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Flycrazy8@aol.com wrote: > You guys have it lucky ..... At least those critters cross the > runway then is off..... These Cows we have just homestead on the > runway.... You can only scare them once..... Then they just ignore > the noisy big skeeeters.....and when they do finally move they > leave all these slick mines all over the place to run over and if > your lucky to have an enclosed cockpit all you end up with is the > stuff all over your Kolb.... :-)) > > stephen baxley > 2003 Firefly > L . A. ( lower Alabama) > > > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:44 AM PST US From: ross richardson Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway He may have but the only real problem is that turtles don't move fast enoug h to get out of the way. ist: Deer and Turtles On the RunwayTo: kolb-list@matronics.com I'm not sure ,but didn't jetpilot say something about a turtle whistle ? ----- Original Message ----From: Dana Hague To: kolb -list@matronics.comSent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:49:13 PMSubject: Re: Kolb -List: Deer and Turtles On the Runway ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:32 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CPS Sucks! Roger Why not report it all to the Calif Consumer Affairs Dept? These guys are actually endangering lives -- do not archive On May 16, 2008, at 1:09 AM, R. Hankins wrote: > > I finally got credited for the corroded piston pins that I returned > to CPS, or sort of. For the privilege of returning DEFECTIVE > parts , I was charged a $14.49 restocking fee. I guess that means > some other poor sap is going to receive my corroded piston pins and > be told to "scotch bright" the rust off as I was. Please humor me > as I try to steer enough customers away from them as possible. > They are too far away to show up and take $14.49 out of their hide, > but I would sure like to. > > Can you say "not happy" boys and girls? > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183398#183398 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:06 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Pat, I stand corrected, I was wrong, and I apologise. Or is it apologize? Of course I meant wheel, not tyre/tire. I do know better, just 'misspoke' Brakes is the only proper term. Some people misspell the word. There are dozens of specialized wrenches, many quite clever, and NONE to be confused with "serving wenches" BTW is a power spanner powered by mains current? Wrenches are always bigger than spanners? do not archive On May 16, 2008, at 5:48 AM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Often used to put a tire (sorry, tyre) on, when it shouldn't. >> > > Hi Russ, > > The complexities of language. We would not put a tyre (ot tire) on > like that. We would would put the WHEEL on like that, and use > `wheel nuts` and the instrument you describe, rattle gun, is always > used in specialist Tyre and Exhaust outlets and on assembly lines > and can be set to a pre arranged torque. Putting the Tyre (or Tire) > on the wheel (or rim) is a different process. > > I think that you generally use `wrench` when we would use > `spanner`. A device to grip a nut. A `wrench` to us is usually a > longer handled tool with a gripping device, usually adjustable, on > one end. > > Churchill said `Two great countries divided by the same language` > > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: "jim" Is this for use in flight, or on the ground to refuel? Jim N. Idaho -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183473#183473 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:33 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > > Is this for use in flight, or on the ground to refuel? > > Jim > N. Idaho Jim, It was my understanding Mark planned on transferring fuel in-flight. Here's Mark's reply to me. >My goal is to install this system in a portable 5 Gallon > Plastic Fuel Can so I can strap it in the back seat when > I need the extra range... So, in answer to your question, yes, it appears so. Mike "Dudley" Welch MkIIICX _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:38 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim At 07:43 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote: > >At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: > >OK, now I'm confused. We have: > >Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which can include: AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into wrench that grips cylinder head bolts last tightened 2 years ago by someone using RED loctight, and rounds them off. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate thin walled aluminum tubing not far from the bolt you are trying to "tap" in.. MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes containing seats and fabric containers. ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling mounting holes in fabric just to the left of the rib you are trying to hit. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VICE-GRIPS: Also used to round off bolt heads. When nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your garage on fire. Also handy for igniting the fumes inside the wing that your just painted yesterday. WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1" socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes. DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off small parts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say, "Ouc...." E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. CRAFTSMAN 1 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle. AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of $100 per gallon aircraft paint and splash it on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal 12 ft leading edge surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut fuel lines 1 inch too short. ICE SCRAPER: To scrape frost off plexiglass so you can use the big scratches as a marker to set pitch. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:05 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: "jim" I put one of these in my 220HP 4-seater experimental. I don't use it much (prime & emergency), but it should transfer 5 gallons in 10 minutes. With no moving parts, it should last forever. I would probably plug it into my cigarette lighter jack when I wanted to transfer fuel. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183486#183486 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: "JetPilot" I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. I use the Facet pump Jim was talking about, it transfers 6 gallons in about 10 minutes, works very well, and is fool proof, and much easier to install than some " In tank " pump. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183487#183487 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Deer and Turtles On the Runway From: "JetPilot" I really hate it when those turtles run out on the runway in front of me as I am trying to land. The worst part is, at the last second they start darting back and fourth not knowing which way to go, so its even harder to avoid them ! A turtle whistle is a great idea to scare em off :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183488#183488 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:13 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trim Possums Thanx for clarifying many oft-used, and mis-used; terms But also -- Phillps screwdriver is what a blonde of my acquaintance thinks is: Milk of Magnesia with Vodka. Certainly! do not archive On May 16, 2008, at 7:06 PM, possums wrote: > At 07:43 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote: >> >> At 05:48 AM 5/16/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >> >> OK, now I'm confused. We have: >> >> Wrench: anything that is intended to turn a nut or bolt, which >> can include: > > AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a > coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into > wrench that grips cylinder head bolts last tightened 2 > years ago by someone > using RED loctight, and rounds them off. > > HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer > nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate thin walled > aluminum > tubing not far from the bolt you are trying to "tap" in.. > > MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of > cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly > well on boxes containing seats and fabric containers. > > ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in > their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for > drilling mounting holes in fabric just to the left of the rib you are > trying to hit. > > PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. > > HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board > principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable > motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more > dismal your future becomes. > > VICE-GRIPS: Also used to round off bolt heads. When nothing else is > available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to > the palm of your hand. > > OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various > flammable objects in your garage on fire. Also handy for igniting > the fumes inside the wing that your just painted yesterday. > > WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and > motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or > 1" socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes. > > DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching > flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the > chest > and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that > freshly painted part you were drying. > > WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off small parts and then throws them > somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also > removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar callouses in > about the time it takes you to say, "Ouc...." > > E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt > holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit. > > CRAFTSMAN 1 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool > that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the > end without the handle. > > AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw. > > PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of $100 per > gallon > aircraft paint and splash it on your shirt; can also be > used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads. > > PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal 12 ft leading edge > surrounding > that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 > cent part. > > HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut fuel lines 1 inch too short. > > ICE SCRAPER: To scrape frost off plexiglass so you can use the big > scratches as a marker to set pitch. > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 100LL long term vs. alkie From: "JetPilot" Dan is Correct, The term 100 LOW LEAD is outright dishonest and misleading. 100LL Avgas has many times more lead in it than the old leaded car gas used to have. Avgas would be better named 100 LWL... 100 Loaded With Lead. JettPilot -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183492#183492 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: knowvne@aol.com Hi Jim I'm Looking to design an In flight transfer system....=C2- I found some 12 Volt in tank pumps on E-Bay that might be just the ticket.. Mark =C2- -----Original Message----- From: jim Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 4:39 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Is this for use in flight, or on the ground to refuel? Jim N. Idaho -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183473#183473 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: knowvne@aol.com Hi JIm=C2- Thanks for the =C2-Pump link...... That has possibilities.... Mark -----Original Message----- From: jim Sent: Fri, 16 May 2008 7:21 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? I put one of these in my 220HP 4-seater experimental. I don't use it much (prime & emergency), but it should transfer 5 gallons in 10 minutes. With n o moving parts, it should last forever. I would probably plug it into my cigarette lighter jack when I wanted to transfer fuel. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183486#183486 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2008 Photo Contest Winners From: "John Williamson" Hi all from Monument Valley; Judge Phil summed up the Contest as: This Photo Contest is unfair. It is not right trying to pick just one of these great photos. Everyone of these photos deserves to be #1. They really capture the fun that all of you have had. The List of Winners and their Photos can be found at: http://home.tx.rr.com/bom_2008//MV_Winners-Scenery.pdf 1.2 MB http://home.tx.rr.com/bom_2008/MV_Winners-Airplane.pdf 1.3 MB http://home.tx.rr.com/bom_2008/MV_Winners-Kolbers.pdf 1.2 MB -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1615 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183506#183506 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:48 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > > I do not like " In Tank " fuel pumps for this application, you are just looking for problems mounting it in the tank with wires etc. Sounds like an inflight emergency or fire waiting to happen. > > I use the Facet pump Jim was talking about, it transfers 6 gallons in about 10 minutes, works very well, and is fool proof, and much easier to install than some " In tank " pump. > > Mike Mike, You opine about something you are obviously NOT familiar with. There are literally MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS of in-tank fuel pumps. In fact, it is virtually impossible to purchase a new vehicle in the United States without an in-tank fuel pump. 99.999% of vehicles with fuel injection come with in-tank fuel pumps. And you just about can't buy a car without fuel injection, and ALL fuel injection cars use in-tank fuel pumps!! Why?? Because they are UNSAFE?? NO!! Because they ARE SAFE!!! FYI, your "wires, etc." make it sound like the boogie man is going to somehow get you. In-tank type pumps use what's known as "BRUSHLESS" motors. That means there aren't any "sparks" or "wires, etc." to create a problem. Brushless motors use electrical current to make the rotor rotate. Not brushes and electrical sparking! They don't have any way on earth to create a fire hazard. Otherwise, why would EVERY automobile manufacturer on Earth be using them??? The "wires" hook up outside the tank. There's no more likeliness of a problem with these wires than with any other wiring in your plane. Lastly, since Mark suggested he was planning to use this fuel transfer "in-flight", he would want his fuel pick-up to be solidly mounted, at the bottom of the tank, with NO chance of shifting due to turbulence. By just inserting a tube down inside a container does not insure it is going to be sucking up fuel correctly at the bottom of the tank. By mounting an in-tank pump PROPERLY, the suction point of the pump is solidly fixed in one spot, at the bottom of the tank, surrounded by a filtering screen. Done correctly, especially during inflight situations where you can't "jiggle" the suction tube, an in-tank pump can well be one of, if not THE most dependable pumps available! In fact, this is EXACTLY my fuel delivery arrangement for my GEO 1.0L fuel injected engine. The danger is not knowing anything about the information you espouse. If you own a vehicle, it has an in-tank fuel pump. Mike "Dudley" Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:38 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley or bust!! No more time to chat!! I've got to get up at 4:00am. Headed to Monument Valley. I was planning to fly my Cessna, with a friend, but then two others guys wanted to go, and that's too much weight for my plane, so we're car-pooling it! Back by late Saturday night. Mike "Dudley" Welch Do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. 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