---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/21/08: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (pj.ladd) 2. 03:09 AM - Re: turtles (pj.ladd) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (knowvne@aol.com) 4. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: turtles (Dana Hague) 5. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (Dana Hague) 6. 04:34 AM - Re: Firefly landing leg reinforcement (william sullivan) 7. 05:52 AM - Re: Firefly landing legs (Jack B. Hart) 8. 05:52 AM - Re: Fw: Re: FireFly Landing Gear (Jack B. Hart) 9. 07:32 AM - Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 10. 07:57 AM - Re: ciikie salute! (cristalclear13) 11. 08:19 AM - Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? (neilsenrm@comcast.net) 12. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: ciikie salute! (Larry Cottrell) 13. 09:18 AM - Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? (Mike Welch) 14. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: ciikie salute! (Robert Laird) 15. 01:02 PM - Re: ciikie salute! (John Williamson) 16. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: ciikie salute! (Robert Laird) 17. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (knowvne@aol.com) 18. 01:20 PM - Re: ciikie salute! (John Hauck) 19. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (robert bean) 20. 04:08 PM - Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? (Don G) 21. 04:11 PM - Re: ciikie salute! (lcottrell) 22. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (possums) 23. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: ciikie salute! (possums) 24. 08:06 PM - Re: Deer On the Runway (possums) 25. 08:08 PM - Anybody heard from Beauford lately? (possums) 26. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (Dana Hague) 27. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? (neilsenrm@comcast.net) 28. 10:26 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (possums) 29. 10:34 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (possums) 30. 10:43 PM - Re: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:08 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..>> on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee piece. Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: turtles he'll angle up like a Kolb on takeoff.>> Hi Russ, didn`t have the time for clever stuff like that and I was in an area where it was forbidden to touch the turtles anyway. I was just grateful that I reacted quickly enough to grab him as he swam by. Great experience. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: knowvne@aol.com Hi Pat Is yours a Gravity feed? Given the pick up in the portable tank will not be affixed to the tank=C2 - at any one point I would fear it might possibly suck air ... I think I'd prefer the transfer method..=C2- I was considering a flexible tube that was weighted and screened .. Think RC type of tank here.. Mark -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 5:59 am Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? =C2-these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..>> =C2- on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee piece.=C2- Any reason why I can`t put a sp are tank on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? =C2- Cheers =C2- Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:09 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: turtles At 08:58 PM 5/20/2008, jhauck@elmore.rr.com wrote: >This a new Kolb model??? The Turtle??? "Kolb Turtle" is what happens when you land in a plowed field... -Dana do not archive -- Never practice proctology on a porcupine. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:56 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? At 05:59 AM 5/21/2008, pj.ladd wrote: >on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected >by a tee piece. Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank on the passengers >seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? Same here (two tee'd tanks on my US). I just added a third tank but I didn't run it into the same line as I didn't want it sucking air when the aux tank ran dry; instead I ran it into the top of one of the main tanks with a rubber grommet and push-in fitting (and yes, a quick disconnect in the line so I can remove the aux tank). -Dana -- Never practice proctology on a porcupine. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:27 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly landing leg reinforcement Jack- Did you try the Firefly legs yet? do not archive Bill Sullivan FS/KX/447 Windsor Locks, Ct. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:19 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly landing legs Bill, "But there are some trade offs. The more springy you make the leg the more likely the aircraft will want to bounce. This can be countered some what by using large wheels with under inflated tires as a dampening mechanism." I failed to mention that there is another option. That is add metal back to the design or to use thicker wall tubing. If desired, this will stiffen the leg, but it adds weigh and un needed strength. For example carbon fiber wing spars for gliders, if designed to meet strength requirements, are much to flexible. This is countered by adding in twice as much or more carbon fiber to reduce flexure. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:20 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Fw: Kolb-List: Re: FireFly Landing Gear From: chris davis Jack , A little off subject ,but not really I am building a firefly and wonder about my weight and the Alum . gear legs . How much do you weigh? I weigh 210 and wonder about the alum.. gear legs ,maybe I should go for the steel legs I have 490 hrs in a KXP with a 503 the landing might be a little different as I wasn't disabled when I flew the Firestar as I am now. ................................................. Chris, Currently, I weigh 177 pounds dry. I have lost 20 pounds in the last year and a half. When I am suited up with avionics vest, cold weather gear, and full fuel load, the FireFly is at or a little over gross weight of 500 pounds. If I am headed to a fly-in I carry at least another 20 pounds of equipment in a luggage space behind the fuel tank. You are welcome, Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" HYPERLINK "mailto:knowvne@aol.com" knowvne@aol.com asked: << BTW does the pump orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes Vertical or Horizontal ??? >> Mark - The instructions that come with the Facet fuel pump tell you that the ideal installation is for the pump to be level with the bottom of your fuel tank, and oriented with its axis of fuel flow at a 45 degree angle. Of course, you'll see many variations of fuel pump installation that still work, like on Steven Green's setup for his auxiliary transfer tank. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, New Mexico ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:43 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! From: "cristalclear13" Larry, Can you list everyone's name in the photo? (left to right) Thanks -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184190#184190 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:36 AM PST US From: neilsenrm@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? I think this is a wonderfull idea. I watched that Buckeye fly at Sun N Fun with great intrest. I have no idea how heavy these engines are and that would be the bigest concern. The guys at Valley have designed a redrive that would have to be much smoother than the Buckeye. The Valley redrive was first used with that V twin before they modified it for use on VWs like mine. The guys at Valley have expressed the desire to put this engine on a Firestar to me many times. I'm sure if someone would assure them that they would make a concerted effort and maybe write an article or something they might make them a good deal on a engine. Still toasting (106+ degrees) here in Arizona till Thursday. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Don G" > > Donnie and Travis, > > While we are talking about other ideas... > > Now I was thinking.....I wonder How many more FireStar Kits them boys down in > London could sell if they were to knock off several thousand dollars from its > current price????? > Now while you are pondering on this foolishness I am not talking about you > taking a cut in pay!.. > > > About an hour ago I stopped in at Buckeye PPC in Argos, Ind, and I witnessed an > honest 300 lbs of static thrust from their latest design...this is like the > runner-up down at Sun-n-fun... > Dont get me wrong..I am not taking up those slow flying soft tops... > > But I think a Firestar with an electric start...300lb thrust 4 stroke burnin > about 2 gallons an hour at WOT, with several thousand hours between overhauls > and hitting the market at 3 grand less (or more) than currently oughtta revive > things down there during this .....well...lets say slow period. > trouble is the thrust line is probably to high to just slap one on and hit the > starter...it would need a slight redesign of the cage/motor mount area to get > the thrust line down to where it is with a rotax. So it will take a little > work,, But the benefits would be tremendous I predict. Small investment in > engineering....and knock off a ton of cost....seems like it oughtta pencil out. > and in case you were not listening...I said an honest 300 lbs...this is 582 > thrust men...and it is not hearsay. I have been stopping in there quite a bit in > the last year since they won the awards at OshKosh with the Honda powered > machine, and this latest Generac powered machine is gonna be a winner. Did I > mention he is planning on marketing the engine/redrive package ?...I am sure he > would entertain OEM accounts. > > The market is quickly going to be a 4 stroke market boys. These Engines are > coming to us quickly, in fact several are here now..and I think the company that > responds to the design changes needed to accommodate these engines will be in > the forefront of the revival. > > I have been hearing so many companies complaining that the Sport pilot rule > killed the little plane market. I don't believe it..it was just a coincidence of > timing...the price increases over the last few years have had to be a bigger > factor. Few products in any market would have responded differently to these > increases. And you manufacturers can attribute those increases to one single > component. > > The Kolb Wing design is your biggest asset.....an airframe that will accommodate > these engines with a Kolb Wing just HAS to be a great potential seller! > > > PLEASE think hard about this. > I fact...print this and pass it upstairs. > > -------- > Don G. > Central Illinois > Kitfox IV Speedster > Luscombe 8A > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184125#184125 > > > > > > > > > >
I think this is a wonderfull idea. I watched that Buckeye fly at Sun N Fun with great intrest. I have no idea how heavy these engines are and that would be the bigest concern. The guys at Valley have designed a redrive that would have to be much smoother than the Buckeye. The Valley redrive was first used with that V twin before they modified it for use on VWs like mine.
 
The guys at Valley have expressed the desire to put this engine on a Firestar to me many times. I'm sure if someone would assure them that they would make a concerted effort and maybe write an article or something they might make them a good deal on a engine.
 
Still toasting (106+ degrees) here in Arizona till Thursday.
 
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>

> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G"
>
> Donnie and Travis,
>
> While we are talking about other ideas...
>
> Now I was thinking.....I wonder How many more FireStar Kits them boys down in
> London could sell if they were to knock off several thousand dollars from its
> current price?????
> Now while you are pondering on this foolishness I am not talking about you
> taking a cut in pay!..
>
>
> About an hour ago I stopped in at Buckeye PPC in Argos, Ind, and I witnessed an
> honest 300 lbs of static thrust from their latest design...this is like the
> runner-up down at Sun-n-fun...
> Dont get me wrong..I am not taking up those slow flying soft t ops...
>
> But I think a Firestar with an electric start...300lb thrust 4 stroke burnin
> about 2 gallons an hour at WOT, with several thousand hours between overhauls
> and hitting the market at 3 grand less (or more) than currently oughtta revive
> things down there during this .....well...lets say slow period.
> trouble is the thrust line is probably to high to just slap one on and hit the
> starter...it would need a slight redesign of the cage/motor mount area to get
> the thrust line down to where it is with a rotax. So it will take a little
> work,, But the benefits would be tremendous I predict. Small investment in
> engineering....and knock off a ton of cost....seems like it oughtta pencil out.
> and in case you were not listening...I said an honest 300 lbs...this is 582
> thrust men...and it is not hearsay. I have been stopping in there quite a bit in
> the last year since they won t he awa rds at OshKosh with the Honda powered
> machine, and this latest Generac powered machine is gonna be a winner. Did I
> mention he is planning on marketing the engine/redrive package ?...I am sure he
> would entertain OEM accounts.
>
> The market is quickly going to be a 4 stroke market boys. These Engines are
> coming to us quickly, in fact several are here now..and I think the company that
> responds to the design changes needed to accommodate these engines will be in
> the forefront of the revival.
>
> I have been hearing so many companies complaining that the Sport pilot rule
> killed the little plane market. I don't believe it..it was just a coincidence of
> timing...the price increases over the last few years have had to be a bigger
> factor. Few products in any market would have responded differently to these
> increases. And you manufacturers can attribute those increases to one ch &am
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:26 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristalclear13" Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! > > > Larry, > Can you list everyone's name in the photo? (left to right) > Thanks > > -------- > Cristal Certainly, after I punched the send button, I realized that I should have labeled them. That would be Boyd Young, Karen Cottrell, John Hauck, John Williamson, Becky Young, Rick Neilson, and Larry Cottrell. Sorry about the spelling on the subject line, Should have been Cookie Salute. Larry C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:25 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? >The Valley redrive was first used with that V twin before they modified it for use on VWs like mine. > The guys at Valley have expressed the desire to put this engine on a Firestar to me many times. I'm sure if>someone would assure them that they would make a concerted effort and maybe write an article or something>they might make them a good deal on a engine. >Rick Neilsen Rick, As many of you may remember, I am planning on moving to Missouri soon (one week??). I may have my Cessna sold, as this was the biggest obstacle prior to me moving there. I am working on the sale right now. Trade a Plane: http://www.trade-a-plane.com/classified/search?atcode=A&collection=&searchtype=atcode&code=A&sid=a728987a47506f0de24b77e0f07f3415&year_from=1972&year_to=1972&min_price=45%2C000&max_price=45%2C000&min_totime=&max_totime=&min_engtime=&max_engtime=&state=UT&country=ALL&keyword1=&kwflag=AND&keyword2=&timelimit=0&tlvalue=2&browse=detail&maxads=100 But, the point is, my property in Missouri is about a 45 minute drive from Valley Engineering. I have FULL intentions on getting to know all the honchos at Valley, and will do my darndest to promote their engine installations on Kolbs. Who knows, maybe they will give me a job, since I'm "between jobs" right now (by my choice, I took a year off). On second thought, rather than do that, I may cut into my airplane time, and try to find my wife a second job. Mike Welch MkIIICX BTW, Dwight, minor point. The Valley Engineering engine/redrive is on Dick and Sharon's Twinstar, not Firestar. I'm not sure about which model of Twinstar, but I think it may be a MkII. Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:45 AM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! What I want to know is, why was John so happy? ;-) On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Certainly, after I punched the send button, I realized that I should have > labeled them. > That would be Boyd Young, Karen Cottrell, John Hauck, John Williamson, Becky > Young, Rick Neilson, and Larry Cottrell. > > Sorry about the spelling on the subject line, Should have been Cookie > Salute. > Larry C ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! From: "John Williamson" Robert L. and all, I don't know what you are talking about, I have my great tasting cookie, sun burnt cheeks and a big smile. That box of cookies from Jon and his wife in Minnesota was a treat at the 2008 Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS, 1615 hours http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184231#184231 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:42 PM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! No, no, you look happy enough to melt marshmallows at a glance... I was referring to Mr. Hauck! -- R On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:00 PM, John Williamson wrote: > > Robert L. and all, > > I don't know what you are talking about, I have my great tasting cookie, sun burnt cheeks and a big smile. > > That box of cookies from Jon and his wife in Minnesota was a treat at the 2008 Kolb Gathering at Monument Valley. > > -------- > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolbra, 912ULS, 1615 hours > http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184231#184231 > > -- Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip? To get to the other, er, um.... ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? From: knowvne@aol.com Thanks for the heads up =C2-Dennis. I haven't started the parts list yet=C2-so any and all info is=C2-apprec iated... I have ideas floating around in the Grey matter and on paper.. but thats as far as i've gone so far... I may hard wire a female plug to the battery terminals and install a In line switch=C2-for power... but again that just one idea.. The goal is a KISS approach.... I want an easy in and out and reliable set up... Mark -----Original Message----- From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:29 am Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? HYPERLINK "mailto:knowvne@aol.com" knowvne@aol.com asked: << BTW does the pump orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes Vertical or Horizontal ??? >> Mark - The instructions that come with the Facet fuel pump tell you that the ideal installation is for the pump to be level with the bottom of your fuel tank, and oriented with its axis of fuel flow at a 45 degree angle. Of course, you'll see many variations of fuel pump installation that still work, like on Steven Green's setup for his auxiliary transfer tank. Dennis Kirby Mark-3, New Mexico ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! From: "John Hauck" Karen stole my cookie! Seriously, Jon, we all enjoyed the homemade cookies. Thanks for going to the effort and expense of sending them to us. John W and I are still waiting for 25 to 30 mph winds to subside so we can fly the 100 odd miles to the Rock House, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, OR. Lucky for us, the FBO has been very generous with their courtesy car and hospitality. Looks like we may be here until Friday morning, unless a miracle happens. Take care, -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184236#184236 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:03 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Re: powering a fuel pump. These things don't draw a lot of power and I like to keep things simple, BUT.... That is the one item that I installed with a relay. OK, I know that when the pump coil fries that my engine will quit anyway but it makes me feel better knowing that part is isolated from the rest of my panel power. No I don't have a "hot box" and don't even know what it is. Ol' Suzuki is wired up according to my own druthers. John, just as mizzerble here in upper NY. Windy and cold. Dug a tater patch with the backhoe for my brother yesterday. Flying coming soon. BB do not archive On 21, May 2008, at 4:10 PM, knowvne@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the heads up Dennis. > > I haven't started the parts list yet so any and all info is > appreciated... > > I have ideas floating around in the Grey matter and on paper.. > but thats as far as i've gone so far... > > I may hard wire a female plug to the battery terminals and install a > In line switch for power... but again that just one idea.. The goal is > a KISS approach.... I want an easy in and out and reliable set up... > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL > > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:29 am > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? > > > > > HYPERLINK "mailto:knowvne@aol.com" knowvne@aol.com asked: << BTW > does > the pump orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes > Vertical or > Horizontal ??? >> > > Mark - > > The instructions that come with the Facet fuel pump tell you that the > ideal installation is for the pump to be level with the bottom of your > fuel tank, and oriented with its axis of fuel flow at a 45 degree > angle. > > Of course, you'll see many variations of fuel pump installation that > still work, like on Steven Green's setup for his auxiliary transfer > tank. > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3, New Mexico > > > et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? From: "Don G" Rick, the weight of the Buckeye engine and redrive is 100 lbs... The Generac engine they are using not near as modified as the one Gene and Larry were using on the legal Eagle, and the Backyard flyer as I saw it last., Now I am not sure what the "state of modification" of the one on this new plane they have now as all I have seen is the Utube video...but it looks like it flys really well... On a personal note, I didnt like some of the mods they did on those first engines, other than the carb, which was OK by me. But I am certain the other mods they did basically to loose weight would be detrimental to the life of the engine. As far as Smooth..again I dont know what the Smiths latest design is for sure, but Buckeyes is truly smooth as silk! I held my Hand on it the other day with no prop installed as we ran it up and it is perfectly smooth, so smooth in fact the vibration testing gear I brought along to check it with, just stayed in the truck..there was no need. compared to a Rotax...its a sewing machine.. One of the amazing things about Buckeyes package is, it is APPROVED by Generac, and they have been in close contact with the company in the development of this project as a direct OEM account. This is NOT a "rebel installation" as we call them in the biz. -------- Don G. Central Illinois Kitfox IV Speedster Luscombe 8A http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184266#184266 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! From: "lcottrell" Crystal, Not sure what is going on, it seems that most others got the reply, in fact I "copied" the reply below off a message posted to the forum by R Laird. Larry C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Certainly, after I punched the send button, I realized that I should have labeled them. That would be Boyd Young, Karen Cottrell, John Hauck, John Williamson, Becky Young, Rick Neilson, and Larry Cottrell. Sorry about the spelling on the subject line, Should have been Cookie Salute. Larry C -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184267#184267 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:37 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? At 05:59 AM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >=EF=BB > these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..>> > >on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel >equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee >piece. Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank >on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? > >Cheers > >Pat > You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks. You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air. Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:46 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ciikie salute! At 02:40 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: > >What I want to know is, why was John so happy? ;-) I'm assuming your talking about John H. He's single, he's retired, he get's paid every month (for serving our country - not enough, in my opinion) his kids, if he has any, must be grown by now, he has a "girlfriend" when he wants one, he plays with his airplane when the weather is good (or not) he plays with his tractors, he plays with his fifth wheeler, he plays ............ what's to know? If he gets bored he tries to kill himself by flying to Alaska and back again. Wish I could do what he does, but I'm too much of a pu-sy. Or maybe I'm not old enough yet - this, like golf, seems to be an old mans game. Good,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I've got something to look forward to! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:01 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Deer On the Runway At 09:41 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote: >Stan, > >Russell Duffy in Florida bought the slingshot and intended to put a >rotary engine on it, so he sold the 912. I could have cried when I >went to pick up the engine, He had stripped all the covering off the >plane. I think he eventually sold the airframe. > >Steven What a waste of work - not to mention the paint! I think Bill told me it took as much time to paint the plane as it did to build it. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:44 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Anybody heard from Beauford lately? The following addresses had delivery problems: You still with us boss? Haven't heard from you lately. Stan ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:20 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? At 10:24 PM 5/21/2008, possums wrote: >You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks. >You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air. >Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air. Not necessarily... if there's any restriction in the tank, like an in-tank filter or even enough hose, and if the pressure drop from that restriction is greater than the pressure due to gravity at the tee, then it'll suck air from an empty tank feeding the tee. -Dana -- Lottery: a tax on the mathematically challenged. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:41 PM PST US From: neilsenrm@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Just another idea...Vtwin firestar? Don I have never seen the Valley engine run or any details but it does use the same type of redrive as I use on my VW. I think you were snooker-ed a bit. Without the prop most any engine will be smooth. Seems like you were the one that told me the valley engines had the flywheel trimmed a bit. I agree that doesn't seem to be a good move but maybe they had major weight issues? I would think their engines could be had in any level of modification. I would also think they would sell just the redrive if you wanted. I did like the carb heat system that the buckeye engine uses. I also checked the belt tension and it was VERY tight. You would know more about that being a issue than me but it concerned me. It did sound like the Buckeye engine package was being developed by a company other than Byckeye? I sure would like to hear how smooth the package is with a prop on it. Both engine packages would seem to need a custom mount to keep the thrust line down low enough to be usable on a Firestar. Kolb was very willing to develop a engine mount from my specifications. Maybe someone could incurage Kolb to build a Genrec mount for their new Firestar. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Don G" > > Rick, > the weight of the Buckeye engine and redrive is 100 lbs... > The Generac engine they are using not near as modified as the one Gene and Larry > were using on the legal Eagle, and the Backyard flyer as I saw it last., Now I > am not sure what the "state of modification" of the one on this new plane they > have now as all I have seen is the Utube video...but it looks like it flys > really well... > On a personal note, I didnt like some of the mods they did on those first > engines, other than the carb, which was OK by me. But I am certain the other > mods they did basically to loose weight would be detrimental to the life of the > engine. > As far as Smooth..again I dont know what the Smiths latest design is for sure, > but Buckeyes is truly smooth as silk! I held my Hand on it the other day with no > prop installed as we ran it up and it is perfectly smooth, so smooth in fact the > vibration testing gear I brought along to check it with, just stayed in the > truck..there was no need. compared to a Rotax...its a sewing machine.. > One of the amazing things about Buckeyes package is, it is APPROVED by Generac, > and they have been in close contact with the company in the development of this > project as a direct OEM account. This is NOT a "rebel installation" as we call > them in the biz. > > -------- > Don G. > Central Illinois > Kitfox IV Speedster > Luscombe 8A > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184266#184266 > > > > > > > > > >
Don
 
I have never seen the Valley engine run or any details but it does use the same type of redrive as I use on my VW. I think you were snooker-ed a bit. Without the prop most any engine will be smooth. Seems like you were the one that told me the valley engines had the flywheel trimmed a bit. I agree that doesn't seem to be a good move but maybe they had major weight issues? I would think their engines could be had in any level of modification. I would also think they would sell just the redrive if you wanted.
 
I did like the carb heat system that the buckeye engine uses. I also checked the belt tension and it was VERY tight. You would know more about that being a issue than me but it concerned me. It did sound like the Buckeye engine package was being developed by a company other than Byckeye? I sure would like to hear how smooth the package is with a prop on it.
 
Both engine packages would seem to need a custom mount to keep the thrust line down low enough to be usable on a Firestar. Kolb was very willing to develop a engine mount from my specifications. Maybe someone could incurage Kolb to build a Genrec mount for their new Firestar.
 
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Don G" <donghe@one-eleven.net>

> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don G"
>
> Rick,
> the weight of the Buckeye engine and redrive is 100 lbs...
> The Generac engine they are using not near as modified as the one Gene and Larry
> were using on the legal Eagle, and the Backyard flyer as I saw it last., Now I
> am not sure what the "state of modification" of the one on this new plane they
> have now as all I have seen is the Utube video...but it looks like it flys
> really well...
> On a personal note, I didnt like some of the mods they did on those first
> engines, other than the carb, which was OK by me. But I am certain the other
> mods they did basically to loose weight would be detrimental to the life of the
> engine.
> As far as Smooth..again I dont know what the Smiths latest design is for sure,
> but Buckeyes is truly smooth as silk! I held my Hand on it the other day with no
> prop installed as we ran it up and it is perfectly smooth, so smooth in fact the
> vibration testing gear I brought along to check it with, just stayed in the
> truck..there was no need. compared to a Rotax...its a sewing machine..
> One of the amazing things about Buckeyes package is, it is APPROVED by Generac,
> and they have been in close contact with the company in the development of this
> project as a direct OEM account. This is NOT a "rebel installation" as we call
> them in the biz.
>
> --------
> Don G.
> Central Illinois
> Kitfox IV Speedster
> Luscombe 8A
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here: min. <
________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:47 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? At 11:32 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >At 10:24 PM 5/21/2008, possums wrote: > >>You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks. >>You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air. >>Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air. > >Not necessarily... if there's any restriction in the tank, like an >in-tank filter or even enough hose, and if the pressure drop from >that restriction is greater than the pressure due to gravity at the >tee, then it'll suck air from an empty tank feeding the tee. > >-Dana >-- > Lottery: a tax on the mathematically challenged. Only if the restriction is more than ..... 1 gallon a minute. We are only feeding a tank here. >BTW - Lottery: next is 3 22 30 31 44 48 - Fanisty5 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:42 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? At 01:23 AM 5/22/2008, you wrote: >At 11:32 PM 5/21/2008, you wrote: >>At 10:24 PM 5/21/2008, possums wrote: >> >>>You can ....if the tee is below the (bottom) of the tanks. >>>You could hook up ten tanks that way, and never suck up any air. >>>Physics 101, fuel is heaver than air. >> >>Not necessarily... if there's any restriction in the tank, like an >>in-tank filter or even enough hose, Then the other tanks will dump fuel into the system. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:14 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas? Do Not Archive For fun & $ http://www.intrade.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.