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1. 05:01 AM - Re: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay (Jim Kmet)
2. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: brakes ? (herb)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: Firestar Project aka Radio (boyd)
4. 07:27 AM - Re: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay (herb)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: brakes ? (Ben Ransom)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: brakes ? (herb)
7. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: brakes ? (Dana Hague)
8. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: brakes ? (Ben Ransom)
9. 12:21 PM - Re: brakes ? (jerb)
10. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: brakes ? (Dana Hague)
11. 06:39 PM - Re: brakes ? (lcottrell)
12. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: brakes ? (Dana Hague)
13. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: brakes ? (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
14. 10:24 PM - Re: brakes ? (R. Hankins)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay |
I`m the high bidder right now. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay
Anyone out there looking for a Kolb MKIIIC without engine. I just ran
across the listing. The current bid is $3551.00 There is a reserve but?
The seller just had someone back out of the deal so maybe he is
motivated to sell?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mar
k-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOther
Q20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewI
tem?hash=item270241913342&
or Item number: 270241913342
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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Last I looked--there were lots of mountain bike disk brakes for sale
on E bay... I have them on my firefly... They work just fine... very
light also...Herb
At 10:18 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>
>Ben,
> I have the same original brakes on my Firestar and the same
> problem. I did find the last time I fooled with them that one of
> the housings was rubbing on the drum. I had thought that it was the
> brake shoe. A grinder took care of that problem. I was a bit
> surprised since I had run the blasted things that way for a lot of
> years. It was not noticeable to the naked eye. The original wheels
> were drilled badly out of line (by the original owner.) when the
> drum was seated. I was able to achieve satisfactory results by
> drilling the holes that the drum was fastened to the wheel
> over-sized ( a lot) and using a nyloc nut and flat washers on the
> mounting bolts. That allowed the drum to float when the brakes were
> applied. There is so little metal on the drums that I decided not
> to try to turn them on a lathe.
>Larry C
>
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>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186322#186322
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| Subject: | Firestar Project aka Radio |
an alternative approach for those who want to use an attached battery pack
is to buy the
AA holder, I think I saw it for $38 somewhere today, and put AA NiMH in it.
The best ones I've found so far are Duracell 2650mAh that are the ONLY ones
that
will hold up in a battery hog cam I have. Available at Kmart. -careful, a
lot of them look
alike, look for the numbers.
I charge them in a slow charging Radio Shack charger.
BB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
OOOOOOK if a person was to take a battery holder and fill it up with
the rechargeable batteries of choice, feed it with the power from the
airplane through a choke and a resistor so that during flight it is
charging at a rate of 5 to 7 % of the rated amp hour rating of the
battery, you could take off power at any voltage level to power different
items in the aircraft. The trick here is to match the resistor, and the
internal resistance of the cells to get the charge rate equal to the current
drain of the running electronics plus the 5 to 7 %... this way you will
never have to charge the batteries outside the aircraft,,,,, when the
radio is in transmit mode it can use all the power required from the battery
pack, while in the receive mode it will be charging at a trickle rate.
With this approach,,,, as long as you turn off everything after flying,,,,
you will always have fully charged batteries that wont over charge. and you
only need enough cells to match the voltage setting of the radio. Make
sure you install a fuse,, and master switch for safety.
Boyd.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb MKIIIC on eBay |
Rick
Just what I have been looking for to do the VW installation ...
Worth maybe 8 to 10K? Herb
At 10:40 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>Anyone out there looking for a Kolb MKIIIC without engine. I just
>ran across the listing. The current bid is $3551.00 There is a
>reserve but? The seller just had someone back out of the deal so
>maybe he is motivated to sell?
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mark-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOtherQ20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270241913342>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__Kolb-Mark-III-Classic-Experimental-Airplane-Nice_W0QQitemZ270241913342QQddnZOtherQ20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270241913342&
>
>or Item number: 270241913342
>
>Rick Neilsen
>Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
>
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This (mountain bike disc brakes) is something I've always considered
doing. As a gauge as to how much stopping power you get, how much rpm
can you add before your Firestar starts to move with the brakes on?
(and which engine?)
Thanks.
-Ben
herb wrote:
>
> Last I looked--there were lots of mountain bike disk brakes for sale
> on E bay... I have them on my firefly... They work just fine... very
> light also...Herb
>
>
> At 10:18 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> Ben,
>> I have the same original brakes on my Firestar and the same
>> problem. I did find the last time I fooled with them that one of the
>> housings was rubbing on the drum. I had thought that it was the brake
>> shoe. A grinder took care of that problem. I was a bit surprised
>> since I had run the blasted things that way for a lot of years. It
>> was not noticeable to the naked eye. The original wheels were drilled
>> badly out of line (by the original owner.) when the drum was seated.
>> I was able to achieve satisfactory results by drilling the holes that
>> the drum was fastened to the wheel over-sized ( a lot) and using a
>> nyloc nut and flat washers on the mounting bolts. That allowed the
>> drum to float when the brakes were applied. There is so little metal
>> on the drums that I decided not to try to turn them on a lathe.
>> Larry C
>>
>> --------
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186322#186322
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Ben
Firefly...they hold at max rpms...6k or so static... Seated,, the
nose will start to head south before the brakes let go... 447
engine.. Three blade ivo 60 inch..
Mine are made by Shimano...35 bucks each wholesale... Wish my son
still worked for the company... :-) Herb
At 10:14 AM 6/5/2008, you wrote:
>
>This (mountain bike disc brakes) is something I've always considered
>doing. As a gauge as to how much stopping power you get, how much
>rpm can you add before your Firestar starts to move with the brakes on?
>(and which engine?) Thanks.
>-Ben
>
>herb wrote:
>>
>>Last I looked--there were lots of mountain bike disk brakes for
>>sale on E bay... I have them on my firefly... They work just
>>fine... very light also...Herb
>>
>>
>>At 10:18 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Ben,
>>> I have the same original brakes on my Firestar and the same
>>> problem. I did find the last time I fooled with them that one of
>>> the housings was rubbing on the drum. I had thought that it was
>>> the brake shoe. A grinder took care of that problem. I was a bit
>>> surprised since I had run the blasted things that way for a lot
>>> of years. It was not noticeable to the naked eye. The original
>>> wheels were drilled badly out of line (by the original owner.)
>>> when the drum was seated. I was able to achieve satisfactory
>>> results by drilling the holes that the drum was fastened to the
>>> wheel over-sized ( a lot) and using a nyloc nut and flat washers
>>> on the mounting bolts. That allowed the drum to float when the
>>> brakes were applied. There is so little metal on the drums that I
>>> decided not to try to turn them on a lathe.
>>>Larry C
>>>
>>>--------
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186322#186322
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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At 11:14 AM 6/5/2008, Ben Ransom wrote:
>This (mountain bike disc brakes) is something I've always considered
>doing. As a gauge as to how much stopping power you get, how much rpm can
>you add before your Firestar starts to move with the brakes on?
>(and which engine?) Thanks.
I have the Black Max brakes on my Ultrastar. Though sold for aircraft, I
suspect they're based on mountain bike brakes. They will hold me against
full throttle.
-Dana
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Herb, Dana,
Wow, full static. That's impressive -- -to imagine having to not over
brake in my Kolb. What a concept! (I'd be very happy with even 4k +
smooth braking)
-Ben
Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 11:14 AM 6/5/2008, Ben Ransom wrote:
>
>> This (mountain bike disc brakes) is something I've always considered
>> doing. As a gauge as to how much stopping power you get, how much
>> rpm can you add before your Firestar starts to move with the brakes on?
>> (and which engine?) Thanks.
>
> I have the Black Max brakes on my Ultrastar. Though sold for
> aircraft, I suspect they're based on mountain bike brakes. They will
> hold me against full throttle.
>
> -Dana
>
>
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Yep, what your experiencing has always been a problem. Some are
worst than others. There are a couple other options that may take a
mod to the axle bracket. One is switching to band brakes - may not
be quite as strong as the expansion type. Since they still use the
drum they may till produce the same problem but generally better
since the bands float. The other is look into the Tracy O'Brien
hydraulic disk brakes.
http://www.tracyobrien.com/
They work good on CGS Hawks. Should be able to adapt them to a Kolb
by adding a back mounting plate to the axle bracket. Uses a
hydraulic hand activated lever much like the brakes you have
now. Took less than two hours to install and bleed out on a CGS Hawk.
jerb
At 09:07 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>
>At 07:08 PM 6/4/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>Long ago I spent very little time at airports, but that seems to be
>>changing, and because of that, I switched back to the original drum
>>brakes (OEM from Azusa ). They act as if out-of-round and it
>>causes a really annoying shimmy -- the varying brake power goes
>>with each turn of the wheel or wheels. Also long ago I looked into
>>it enf to find that one drum was in fact slightly out of round and
>>replaced it, but the problem is still bad. I've thought it might
>>go away as shoes get seated, but by now that may have been wishful
>>thinking. Any suggestions?
>>Thanks,
>>-Ben
>>Firestar KXP
>
>I had that problem a long time ago. Had a guy that put them on some
>kind of lath? and
>spun the drums. I guess he cut or sanded them "round" or true?
>Anyway, he fixed the
>problem for me.
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At 01:09 PM 6/5/2008, Ben Ransom wrote:
>
>Herb, Dana,
>Wow, full static. That's impressive -- -to imagine having to not over
>brake in my Kolb. What a concept! (I'd be very happy with even 4k +
>smooth braking)
Well, the thrust line on my US is a wee bit lower than all the other
Kolbs... :)
-Dana
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I have considered the Tracy Obrien route, but I'm addicted to separate brakes.
They make life so much easier. I just made a deal to use two bicycle brake handles
with the originals. Has any one priced or figured out how to do the separate
braking with the Tracy's
Larry C
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At 09:36 PM 6/5/2008, lcottrell wrote:
>I have considered the Tracy Obrien route, but I'm addicted to separate
>brakes. They make life so much easier. I just made a deal to use two
>bicycle brake handles with the originals. Has any one priced or figured
>out how to do the separate braking with the Tracy's
I have the Black Max brakes (which normally come with a single hand
operated master cylinder) on my Ultrastar, operated independently by a pair
of Hegar heel brake master cylinders. Makes a great combination.
-Dana
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its not a big deal adding toe brakes to about anything to keep em separate
that's the way I like em anyway but it's only my opinion
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 6/5/2008 9:40:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "lcottrell" <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
I have considered the Tracy Obrien route, but I'm addicted to separate
brakes. They make life so much easier. I just made a deal to use two bicycle brake
handles with the originals. Has any one priced or figured out how to do the
separate braking with the Tracy's
Larry C
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Ben,
I have the Black Max brakes with the stock hand grip master cylinder on my KXP.
I can only get to about 4200RPM with full back stick before the nose starts
to go over, but no slippage. The brakes can make the tires skid on landing if
you have enough grip (oops). They were a great solution for me as I needed new
axles and wheels anyway. $389 for brakes, axles, & wheels is a good deal.
Don't get the included tires though. They won't hold up, especially if you want
to land off airport. Routing the little plastic brake lines is a lot easier
to do in a tidy manner than cables. If you are interested in the Black Max
brakes, go to their website (flyfbi.com) and look at the drawings in the installation
manual .pdf file. It is a bone simple, well thought out design and plenty
for a KXP with a 503.
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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