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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article (pj.ladd)
2. 03:42 AM - reviews (Ted Cowan)
3. 03:47 AM - Re: Re: Bill Sullivan's Accident (pj.ladd)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: William Sullivans Accident (grantr)
5. 05:45 AM - Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article (Jack B. Hart)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: William Sullivan accident (william sullivan)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: Crow Hopping (Ben Ransom)
8. 10:14 AM - Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article (Jerry Jones)
9. 10:49 AM - Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article (Jack B. Hart)
10. 11:04 AM - Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article (pj.ladd)
11. 12:34 PM - The logical order of things (Mike Welch)
12. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: One less hurdle (Jim Kmet)
13. 02:19 PM - Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article (Jerry Jones)
14. 02:36 PM - Re: The logical order of things (Jack B. Hart)
15. 02:57 PM - Re: The logical order of things (Jim Kmet)
16. 03:13 PM - Re: The logical order of things (Mike Welch)
17. 03:18 PM - Re: The logical order of things (Mike Welch)
18. 03:40 PM - Re: The logical order of things (robert bean)
19. 06:52 PM - Re: One less hurdle (cristalclear13)
20. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: One less hurdle (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
<<Hart says the thought occurred to him that he could fall out of his
plane>>
Now there is a guy who is really switched on! Falling out of my airplane...
well.. wonder why I never thought of that.
.<< So he got a better seatbelt to replace the racing buckle he first had.
He saw just what he needed at Toys R Us,>>
So he went to the shop and bought a safety harness that was rated to stop a
5 year old child from going through the windshield at 30 mph. I hope it
never has to stop a full grown man from being thrown out of his plane at 70
mph when it hits a tree
The best bit was that the plane `was made of Dacron`. Great !. Just like an
umbrella with no frame. Presumably you can roll it up in a ball and put it
in your pocket.
Cripes. I said in my post that all reporters write b********s. Even when
you carefully explain everything they will write it up full of mistakes.
Worse they may have an agenda of their own
.We were unfortunate to have a light aircraft written off at a local strip
I sometimes use. The pilot missed the strip, tried to put it down in an
adjacent field and rolled it into a ball.
Reporters, newspaper and TV, descended on the site and proceeded to question
everyone in the area. The main thrust of all their questions was " Doesn`t
it scare you with these little planes flying overhead all the time" All they
wanted to do was dump on someone, get the locals to complain about the noise
etc.,.
Luckily we are very close, actually within the MATZ, of Lyneham which
operates the largest fleet of C130 outside the States. All the neighbors
said that the C130`s were much more of a problem than the planes operating
out of this little strip.
You gotta watch the press. Even if you write the report yourself they will
edit it so that it reads wrongly.
We are all enthusiastic about our sport and like to spread the word and its
a bit of an ego boost to have your name attached to a report. However, over
the years I have come to believe that we are best served by keeping our
heads down and keeping the media out of the picture if we possible can. If
you want to spread the word talk to your friends NOT the press.
Cheers
Pat
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Just got my bi-annual review a couple of days ago. Wow, it was a lot better
than the original performance examination. This was relaxed and fun. I
went to Wetumpka, Al, Airport and utilized the services of Tommy Ussery. He
has a J-3. Being as I already have a tail dragger permit (took my exam in
one so it is instant), the J-3 fit the bill. This evaluation is supposed to
be informative and instructive at the same time. Tommy did a wonderful job.
Being as I am not used to his plane, he took the time to 'show' me exactly
what he wanted me to accomplish and I did it. No big surprises, no nerve
racking questions or tricks. The big ole J-3 does not perform as my Kolb
Sling Shot but nothing does!! I can see where for the most part, the J-3
would be a good trainer plane for a Kolb driver except a whole lot more
rudder is required (which is good training). It landed pretty much the same
(3-point stall). I am good for two more years now.
Gotta mention, we had a cross wind on asphault and not once did we
experience an un-gust! I have heard a lot of excuses in my time but this is
rediculous.
I am self taught all the way until Sport Pilot so I gotta tell you, the crow
hop is about the only way a person can learn his plane and get good enough
on the controls hopefully not to kill yourself. If you do taxi too fast you
do have the problem of backing off power (the kolb wants to fly at that
point) but if you push it over a little, you can control it fine. I think
personally, you need to just relax and let your hands do the walking and
shut off your brain. If you think too hard about what you are going to do,
you wont do it right. You need to relax and let your intuition do it for
you. your instincs will work if you let them. works that way for RC too.
Dont think about what you are about to do, just do it. I am amased though,
with some humans, walking is about as proficient as they are ever going to
get. "You can teach a Monkey to fly better than that" but you cannot get
them to pack a parachute. Sorry if I insulted anyone. Just keep practicing
until using the rudder is natural and you dont have to THINK about it. That
is the key. Ted Cowan, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Bill Sullivan's Accident |
Making a statement like Ed Harvey did:
" We are finding it difficult to defend against charges that are
essentially true. "
>>
I agree. That looked like an invitation to be closed down. What sort of a
set up are they running there when they agree that unsound practices are the
norm?
I think that if I was learning to fly with an outfit like that I would find
somewhere else, pronto.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
Gaman,
This is with me an my instructor so 317# total.
Yes I think my asi is off about 10mph fast. I plan to check it with the gps method.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188741#188741
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| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
At 11:11 AM 6/20/08 +0100, you wrote:
>
>You gotta watch the press. Even if you write the report yourself they will
>edit it so that it reads wrongly.
>
>We are all enthusiastic about our sport and like to spread the word and its
>a bit of an ego boost to have your name attached to a report. However, over
>the years I have come to believe that we are best served by keeping our
>heads down and keeping the media out of the picture if we possible can. If
>you want to spread the word talk to your friends NOT the press.
>
Pat,
At my age ego has nothing to do with it. This is a rural area, and just
about everyone knows everyone else. The New Gazette is a small local
newspaper that reports everything that happens in the county. If I had
refused to talk to the reporter, it would have been in the paper "Jack Hart
refuses to talk about ultra-light" Ms. Aukerman, locally, is well known for
"not getting it right". I was pleasantly surprised about how well she did
do with the article. In questioning her, I found she hates flying, but she
is a word smith and wrote an article that makes sense to her and most of the
other people in the county. Those who fly will get a chuckle about what she
wrote. Those who do not fly will find it interesting from the normal fare
of county, town, farm, and weather news.
We must not feel superior because we can fly. We should feel compassion for
those who have never had the experience.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | re: William Sullivan accident |
Kolbers: I am back home, and have not read the mail yet. My wife tells me you
have all been asking about me, and thank you for your best wishes. More later
on me and the incident later, but would somebody pleas forward the following:
Dear Homer Kolb-
I am sorry to say that I recently bent one of your fine aircraft, and I sincerely
apologize. Thank you for the fine design- it worked exactly as intended,
and the cage design protected me from any major injuries whatsoever. I will
give details later, but the take-off was totally unintentional, and the hard landing
was apparently a tailwind induced stall from a few feet up followed by
a cartwheel. When my wife released the seatbelt, I got up and walked away from
it. A very few cuts and bruises, and a couple of cracked bones (minor). I will
save this one for parts, and will soon purchase another.
Thank you again
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Hopping |
Rick
I'm fine if there is disagreement on the merit of crow hopping. Just
wanted to get my $.02 in on it. It worked awfully well for me and I'm
grateful for having learned that way. I still enjoy riding along a
landing strip barely at flying speed and playing the controls. WRT
Phantom, although a tractor, it is still a high drag, low inertia plane,
and sinks quick when power chopped and two aboard. Makes sense there is
less pitch change due to throttle as you say. Can't remember that well!
:) BTW, when my UL instructor and I felt I was dialed in, I got in a
Quicksilver MX to solo. I also wrote him a check for $5k to cover
anything other than 'happy landings'. How's that for self insured?
Good times.
Cheers,
-Ben
Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Ben
>
> Its almost always good to to hear from you. On this subject again I
> disagree.
>
> I have been flying my VW powered MKIIIC for ten+ years and apparently
> not as skilled a pilot as you. Last year when I got my newest
> reduction drive I wanted to test it without actually committing
> aviation so I decided to crow hop. I had tied the plane down and did a
> full power run up but. My strip is only 1400 ft so gentle power
> changes would not get me airborne AND stopped by the end of the strip.
> I was shocked. I would full power run up to flying speed then pull
> power back with the intent of flying a few feet off the ground. Wow. I
> pride myself on balancing power down pitch down power up pitch up in
> the air but a few feet off the ground the skill level needs to be very
> very high. I only did this a few times before I decided that this was
> much more dangerous than just flying this preproduction redrive.
>
> I noticed that you practiced crow hops in a Two place Phantom. For
> those that aren't familiar with it I will note that it is tractor
> configuration. I have never flown one but I suspect that it is much
> more docile in the crow hop maneuver. I agree that if a crow hop is
> done power changes should be made VERY minor. Also on a 5,000 to 10000
> foot grass strip where a new pilot will not feel rushed. Remember your
> are recommending this to a new pilot. Gentle on the controls will come
> with time.
>
> Again I recommend that crow hops should never be done is a Kolb. A
> Kolb is a very good airplane but like all airplanes there are some
> things that you shouldn't do and this is one of them. I do agree that
> learning balanced usage of the controls is a very good thing but not
> close to the ground where you have no room for error. Its somewhat
> like learning to drive a car on ice. My dad took me to a big open
> parking lot where there was plenty of room for error. Crow hopping is
> like learning ice driving on a crowded city street.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ransom" <bransom@ucdavis.edu>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:54 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Crow Hopping -- was WSullivan's accident
>
>
>>
>> Although it's as old as Seafoam discussions, I dare post my own
>> opinion again on "crow hopping". It's probably 10 years, so what the
>> heck, here it is. I am a proponent of them, in ultralights, if done
>> after dual training in a like aircraft.
>>
>> Crow hopping has two key pieces: Foremost is getting there in baby
>> steps. Second, keep a mindset of very minor throttle changes, whether
>> they be increase or decrease in rpm, and similarly, stay with minimal
>> stick pitch changes. And I'm talking dual here!!
>>
>> I had 4.5 hours of transition training in a 2-place phantom many
>> years ago. Most of that was crow hops, which started out as taxi,
>> then fast taxi, etc. By hour 3 I would go down the runway just at
>> flying speed, jockeying all 4 control inputs as needed. Important
>> too, no wind until I was pretty good at it. I did a lot of flight
>> with wheels 0 to 2ft AGL. No sudden moves, no surprises. Guess
>> what, I got darn good at controlling the plane in that configuration,
>> even adding in wind. When it came time to test fly my never before
>> flown Firestar, I was confident of being able to handle transition
>> issues near the ground.
>> I'm posting just for the record that there are at least some (or at
>> least one ;) ) who maintain that learning crow hopping properly is a
>> good thing. Flying at altitude -- that's a lot simpler, and should
>> be optional.
>>
>> -Ben/ KXP
>>
>> ps: All the best to you William -- get well soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
Jack,
I enjoyed "your" article, but it piqued my interest. What Italian
engine are you using, and what has been your experience with it,
performance and reliability? Also, what is the third engine and of
course why.
Thanks again,
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
At 10:11 AM 6/20/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Jack,
>
>I enjoyed "your" article, but it piqued my interest. What Italian
>engine are you using, and what has been your experience with it,
>performance and reliability? Also, what is the third engine and of
>course why.
>
Jerry,
I have 161 hours on a Simonini Victor 1+, 382 cc, one cylinder, water
cooled, reed valve engine with dual ignition and electric start. Although
they say it is more powerful than the Rotax 447, I do not believe this to be
the case. It burns 1.5 to 1.0 gph less than the Rotax 447 on my FireFly.
It is one sweet engine. If you would like more info on the engine, it can
be found at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html - and:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflyindex.html
The reason for changing to a lower hp third engine, is to reduce fuel
consumption, drag, and overall weight. I will give up some climb rate, but
by going down in hp and weight, I can fare in more things and reduce drag
and still cruise just as fast. Since I have moved to east central Indiana,
the winters are more severe, and I would like to fly with a full enclosure
and remain 103-7 compliant. I purchased an MZ34 engine three + years ago,
and then got involved with moving etc. I took it out of storage a couple of
months ago and am trying to get the muffler mounted. It will hang inverted
off the rear of the fuselage. No propeller extension will be required.
Using electric start, and discarding the pull start, it should lower empty
weight by 40 to 50 pounds. This engine is air cooled reed valve engine of
27 hp.
In general, reed valve engines are smoother running and use less fuel than
piston ported engines. The big problem is carburetion and getting the Bing
tuned for your engine aircraft set up.
If you have any additional questions please let me know.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
We must not feel superior because we can fly. We should feel compassion for
those who have never had the experience.>>
Nicely put Jack.
As far as the egotrip is concerned. I don`t think age has much to do
with.it. I shall be 79 in August and I must confess to a little frisson of
pleasure when an article or a letter which I have written is good enough to
be published.
When I bust my leg hang gliding, not an unusual occurence in the sport, the
local press made their usual rubbish write up of it. While I was laid up
with my leg in plaster I wrote my own account for Sailplane and Gliding, the
main gliding magazine here
It so happened that I turned up at my next Rotary Club meeting to be met
with "The speaker has not turned up, can you talk about your crash" `Crash`
you will note , not `accident`.
Of course I was lucky. I had the article which I had just written clear in
my head. I also had a plaster cast on and was using crutches. Therefore I
found myself holding forth on how safe the sport was while surrounded by the
evidence that it obviously was not. The talk went well and by chance there
were several Rotarians from other Rotary Clubs in the audience. In due time
they reported to their Clubs that they had enjoyed my talk and as Rotary
Clubs are always short of speakers invitations to speak at other Clubs
rolled in.
In the end I think I did about 20 or so repeat performances, and didn`t have
to buy a dinner for ages. By the time of the last talk of course the
crutches were gone and the plaster cast but I learned the usefulness of
using props when speaking to a crowd.
Sailplane and Gliding also deemed my article worthy of publication and that
produced a few comments in the letter columns from readers worldwide.
Its an ill wind etc..
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | The logical order of things |
Fellow and future Kolb pilots,
While we are still on the "crow hopping" subject, this my advice on the correct
order of doing them.
Seeing as how I AM guilty of crashing an ultralight (while crow hopping, as a matter
of fact), that I should NOT have been trying to fly yet, I think I have
"some" experience in the matter.
I have previously stated I don't see crow-hops as necessarily evil.
What is much more important, it seems to me, is how trained you are BEFORE you
try them. If you are ignorant of all common sense whatsoever, and you rely
on some form of flight training in "factory iron" (Cessna, Piper, etc.) and you're
stupid enough to think that that is somehow "good enough" to start crow
hops, then Good Luck!! You're gonna need it!
If you rely on inadequate, "years earlier" training, as I did, you are setting
yourself up for failure, and trust me, it's gonna hurt like hell!!! However,
if you have been working closely with a flight instructor, and learned "turns,
stall recovery, airspeed control, approach to landing......and on and on and
on, etc., so that "IF" you find yourself airborne while crow hopping, it is
no big deal!!
The simple act of crow hopping isn't the demon, nor is it the "only way". I
think what is much more cogent is the skill level of the "pilot in training".
When I have successfully mastered a Flight Instructor regimen, and he feels I
got the "right stuff" to fly my MkIII, then I will definitely start doing "crow
hops", to gain the skill of rudder, aileron, and power control. At this phase,
it makes good sense to practice all kinds of ground control, and short flight
manuevers.
Are there guys that taught themselves to fly by only crow hopping? Yes!! Not
all future pilots have that inherant skill. I did not! It is not good, however,
to assume ALL untrained pilots will have what it takes to get a plane back
down to earth.....unscathed!!
I now have about 600 hours of flying experience (mostly my Cessna 172), and no
doubt would not behave the same way doing crow hops today. But, I will still
go about flight training "by the book".
Been der', done dat!
Mike Welch
MkIII
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| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
Rick, when on a checkride, its up to the examiner on some options to "check
out" the applicant on, and other options, like navigation, some things are
not an option. "Tracking a radio navigation aid" is one of those Have to
do`s", according to the examiner I use. Any Piece of equipment that is in
the plane that`s being used on the checkride is fair game, therefore, if it
has a VOR & ADF in it, not being up to speed on it, at least minimally, is
grounds for grounding, ( pun intended)
It also depends on Cristal`s instructor`s relationship with the intended
examiner, if the CFI knows it`s a "hotbutton" with that particular examiner,
guess what, " Today we`re going to learn about VOR & ADF.
Also, if Her airport is like mine, If you want to fly an ILS, or localizer
approach, without an IFR GPS in the Plane, the NDB is the final approach
fix, & gotta have one (ADF) to do it>
Keep that Red VW Humming........
Jim Kmet
Cookeville, TN
CFII
MK-3C (Flying)
Kolbra (Under construction)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: One less hurdle
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Cristal
>
> It's great to hear about getting your pilots license. It's a lot of work.
> Today we hear of to many that are continuing to fly illegally without a
> license. And a few that try to fly with almost no training and hurt them
> selves. Keep us informed of your progress.
>
> I wonder about your instructor wanting you to practice ADF and VORs. It
> surprises me that these instruments are still in airplanes. Are you
> getting GPS training or glass cockpits? I suppose you still had to learn
> to decode weather briefings for your written. Check out Pilot-Mycast for
> your cell phone. There is everything you can get from a weather briefer
> direct, graphic and decoded.
>
> Also are you able to get flight training in something closer to a Kolb.
> Are you going to fly off some of your hours in your Kolb? Be real careful
> letting a GA instructor fly your plane or instruct in it. Pilots used to
> the big heavies don't do well in a Kolb. The CFI instructor for Old Kolb
> told me his most difficult students were long time GA pilots and
> instructors.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:07 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: One less hurdle
>
>
>> <cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
>>
>> Thank you all! I'm glad I have this group (and the handful of Waycross
>> "airport bums" friends who encouraged me to start this path and have
>> helped so much along the way) to share my steps of progress. Most of my
>> friends and family are NOT pilots so they don't understand the challenges
>> of each hurdle. With each accomplishment they ask, "So do you have your
>> license yet?"
>>
>> I have some time off this week and am trying to fit in as much as I can.
>> I completed my first solo cross country today. I flew to Vidalia from
>> Waycross (57NM one way) in the Cessna 150. My instructor wanted me to
>> practice using VOR and ADF along the way. I don't have those in my Kolb
>> and besides I am still trying to make sure my Kolb is running right.
>> I'll start a separate thread to talk about that.
>>
>> You guys are great encouragement! Thanks! (and Pat, I think that is the
>> first time I've ever been told I look better than an old codger...I'm
>> going to take that as a compliment [Laughing])
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Cristal Waters
>> Mark II Twinstar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188420#188420
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Randolph County Airport Fly-in Newspaper Article |
Jack,
Thank you for your informative reply and the links to your web site.
It has the best analysis of anything I've seen.
Jerry
On Jun 20, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> At 10:11 AM 6/20/08 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> Jack,
>>
>> I enjoyed "your" article, but it piqued my interest. What Italian
>> engine are you using, and what has been your experience with it,
>> performance and reliability? Also, what is the third engine and of
>> course why.
>>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I have 161 hours on a Simonini Victor 1+, 382 cc, one cylinder, water
> cooled, reed valve engine with dual ignition and electric start.
> Although
> they say it is more powerful than the Rotax 447, I do not believe
> this to be
> the case. It burns 1.5 to 1.0 gph less than the Rotax 447 on my
> FireFly.
> It is one sweet engine. If you would like more info on the engine,
> it can
> be found at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly.html - and:
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflyindex.html
>
> The reason for changing to a lower hp third engine, is to reduce fuel
> consumption, drag, and overall weight. I will give up some climb
> rate, but
> by going down in hp and weight, I can fare in more things and
> reduce drag
> and still cruise just as fast. Since I have moved to east central
> Indiana,
> the winters are more severe, and I would like to fly with a full
> enclosure
> and remain 103-7 compliant. I purchased an MZ34 engine three +
> years ago,
> and then got involved with moving etc. I took it out of storage a
> couple of
> months ago and am trying to get the muffler mounted. It will hang
> inverted
> off the rear of the fuselage. No propeller extension will be
> required.
> Using electric start, and discarding the pull start, it should
> lower empty
> weight by 40 to 50 pounds. This engine is air cooled reed valve
> engine of
> 27 hp.
>
> In general, reed valve engines are smoother running and use less
> fuel than
> piston ported engines. The big problem is carburetion and getting
> the Bing
> tuned for your engine aircraft set up.
>
> If you have any additional questions please let me know.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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At 12:30 PM 6/20/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>Fellow and future Kolb pilots,
>
> While we are still on the "crow hopping" subject, this my advice on the correct
order of doing them.
Mike,
Will you let someone else make the first flights in your plane to check it
out for trim? If you are to be the pilot on the original flight, it may be
of value to add some training experience on how to fly a poorly trimmed
aircraft from takeoff to landing, or during crow hopping.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Anyone know what the life expectancy of a crow is anyhow??
Jim
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The logical order of things
>
> At 12:30 PM 6/20/08 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Fellow and future Kolb pilots,
>>
>> While we are still on the "crow hopping" subject, this my advice on the
>> correct order of doing them.
>
> Mike,
>
> Will you let someone else make the first flights in your plane to check it
> out for trim? If you are to be the pilot on the original flight, it may
> be
> of value to add some training experience on how to fly a poorly trimmed
> aircraft from takeoff to landing, or during crow hopping.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
>
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> Mike,
>
> Will you let someone else make the first flights in your plane to check it
> out for trim? If you are to be the pilot on the original flight, it may be
> of value to add some training experience on how to fly a poorly trimmed
> aircraft from takeoff to landing, or during crow hopping.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
Jack,
Seeing as how I am building it, I just naturally assumed it would fly perfect,
the first time!! Just kidding!!!!!!!
ha ha ha
Remember. I ASSUME NOTHING..... anymore!!
Absolutely yes, I'd be happy to have an experienced (Kolb) pilot do the maiden
flight. It will be as close
to "operationally fit" as I can make it. This is why I've gone to great lengths
to make sure the all the "angles of incidences" are all correct. (main wings,
hor. stab, etc.)
Maybe I could get you to come down to the Lake of the Ozarks, and give it a "once
around the patch".
Mike Welch
MkIII
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> Anyone know what the life expectancy of a crow is anyhow??
>
> Jim
Providing he doesn't do something incredibly really dumb, such as act like a
human, he's probably gonna'
rack up about 50 years.
Mike W
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Not being a big enthusiast of crow hopping there is a good reason to
incorporate this in an
early flight. -that is an abort. If that sucker just plain feels bad
this is the time to pull back on the
zoom lever and plop it back to the field of longevity. -been there,
done that with somebody else's
awkward contraption. The next guy who flew it (not the owner) did
once around the patch and
decided that was enough for him. I think it was a ragwing ultrapiet
with a kawasaki engine.
BB
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On 20, Jun 2008, at 6:31 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> At 12:30 PM 6/20/08 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Fellow and future Kolb pilots,
>>
>> While we are still on the "crow hopping" subject, this my advice
>> on the correct order of doing them.
>
> Mike,
>
> Will you let someone else make the first flights in your plane to
> check it
> out for trim? If you are to be the pilot on the original flight,
> it may be
> of value to add some training experience on how to fly a poorly
> trimmed
> aircraft from takeoff to landing, or during crow hopping.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One less hurdle |
Last day of my vacation and I finished my long solo cross country today. What
fun! My instructor has scheduled my checkride for July 16th. It's so close I
can almost taste it. :)
I can't wait to have a passenger with me in my Kolb.
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Cristal
good luck on your check ride on 16JUL08, you will be having passengers
before you know it, Im happy for yea :o)
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 6/20/2008 9:53:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cristalclearwaters@juno.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "cristalclear13"
<cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
Last day of my vacation and I finished my long solo cross country today.
What fun! My instructor has scheduled my checkride for July 16th. It's so
close I can almost taste it. :)
I can't wait to have a passenger with me in my Kolb.
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