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1. 01:45 AM - Re: fuel prices (pj.ladd)
2. 01:56 AM - Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (pj.ladd)
3. 02:12 AM - Re: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (pj.ladd)
4. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd)
5. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
6. 05:42 AM - Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (grantr)
7. 06:03 AM - Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (olendorf)
8. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (gary aman)
9. 06:40 AM - Rotax 582 for sale with only 50 hours on it. (WillUribe@aol.com)
10. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (Jack B. Hart)
11. 11:04 AM - q (Russ Kinne)
12. 11:34 AM - Re: Information on Mark III and Kolbra (KOLB AIRCRAFT)
13. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (robert bean)
14. 04:25 PM - Re: William Sullivans Accident (Dana Hague)
15. 05:27 PM - Re: William Sullivans Accident (Jack B. Hart)
16. 06:18 PM - Re: William Sullivans Accident (Russ Kinne)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (cristalclear13)
18. 07:12 PM - Re: fuel prices (cristalclear13)
19. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (knowvne@aol.com)
20. 08:00 PM - Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (Jim Baker)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
22. 08:23 PM - Text of my posts fail to show? Why? (William and/or Justina Fyfe)
23. 08:54 PM - Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? (Matt Dralle)
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but the difference is
all the taxes, additives and extra refinements mandated by our
government that
causes us to pay more.>>
Same here Will, most of the price of fuel is now the tax which has been
increased steadily (stealthily) over the years.
The good side of all this is that the increasing price makes it
worthwhile to adopt, or invent, alternatives. The only thing that gets
those things going is economics. If there is a buck to be made someone
will be on the case.
Enjoy the price of fuel as it is. It will seem low in 5 years.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Nothing wrong with reading highway and other signs! -- I even carry
binoculars>>
Why not Russ? Here flying by following the railways used to be
standard practice. You just dropped a little lower to read the station
sign. Locally, I often follow the pub signs as I know where most of
them are.
My ex partner in the Eurostar is a railway buff. He knows where all the
old lines which are now dismantled used to run. While flying he will
point to a long straight field or a hedge an say `Thats where the old
Bath and Radstock line used to be` and pinpoint his position.
Talking of flying low. The No 1 Training School of the Royal Flying
Corps, before it became the Royal Air Force between the Wars, was on
Salisbury Plain. There was a serious proposal from the RFC that
Stonehenge ( all of 20ft high) be removed as a danger to flying.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
It has a Sink Rate of 98 ft per min.. That give you the potential of
soaring all day 8-)
Finding 100 fpm lift is very common on a good soaring day.... Great GAS
Mileage 8-)>>
Hi Mark,
it was a long time ago when I was in gliding but 98fpm doesn`t mean much
to me without the distance that you fly in that time. I learned to fly
in a stick and string glider that would fly in a straight line about 20
miles before it hit the ground from a mile high. When I finished
gliding I had a 19 metre plastic beast that would do over 40 miles from
a mile high, and at nearly twice the speed.
The way to go is a motor glider. Makes you independent of launching
facilities, gets you home when the day goes flat and is so slipery that
it gives cross country MPG undreamed of in any other machine.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
(anyone know how much weight is in a cubic foot of sand?).>>
Hi Cristal,
Your friendly local building materials supplier will probably have sand in
clean prepacked plastic bags, sold by weight.. Beware as plastic bags are
slippery and will be difficult to secure.
<<smply adding a fellow experienced pilot)?>> That is the best option, but
make it an experience ultrlight pilot, preferably Kolb
<<e there any other differences to be aware of besides a longer takeoff (we
have a 6000ft runway here which should be way more than enough since I
barely use any of it when I'm by myself) and a faster approach on landing
(adding the 10-15mph to the new stall speed)? assuming still air>>
Sounds about right. You could land a B-17 on 6000 feet
I am in a similar position to you with only a few hours, and landings in an
Xtra. I have a committment to fly someone in the village as he bought a
flight in an ultralight which I put up for sale in an `Auction of Promises`
fund raiser around last Christmas. He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. It will
be a late evening , non thermic flight with a gentle cruise around for an
hour and hopefully an equally gentle landing. I know that the guys wife is
having conniptions at the thought of her beloved husband being up in the sky
in `that flying motorbike`.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Cristal
if you want a body for your experimenting Flight purposes I am just what
you need 185 lbs ,I have time in three different models of Kolbs and a bunch
of other aircraft and willing do about anything except for Jumping out of a
perfectly Good flying Kolb and Im more fun than a cold bag of dead sand and my
wife wont mind.
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 6/23/2008 5:54:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
(anyone know how much weight is in a cubic foot of sand?).>>
Hi Cristal,
Your friendly local building materials supplier will probably have sand in
clean prepacked plastic bags, sold by weight.. Beware as plastic bags are
slippery and will be difficult to secure.
<<smply adding a fellow experienced pilot)?>> That is the best option, but
make it an experience ultrlight pilot, preferably Kolb
<<e there any other differences to be aware of besides a longer takeoff (we
have a 6000ft runway here which should be way more than enough since I
barely use any of it when I'm by myself) and a faster approach on landing
(adding the 10-15mph to the new stall speed)? assuming still air>>
Sounds about right. You could land a B-17 on 6000 feet
I am in a similar position to you with only a few hours, and landings in an
Xtra. I have a committment to fly someone in the village as he bought a
flight in an ultralight which I put up for sale in an `Auction of Promises`
fund raiser around last Christmas. He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. It will
be a late evening , non thermic flight with a gentle cruise around for an
hour and hopefully an equally gentle landing. I know that the guys wife is
having conniptions at the thought of her beloved husband being up in the sky
in `that flying motorbike`.
Cheers
Pat
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Crystal,
Did you have any dual instruction in your twinstar? If you did not, how did you
solo it with out any instruction in it?
We have plans for me to solo the next time I go fly. Probably in 2 weeks. I have
a concern now. I have a Mark III with a 503. My instructor and I have been using
my plane for training. He test flew the plane for me prior to the lessons.
Now what should I expect flying the plane solo? The W/B says the pilot weight
should be a minimum of 195#. I weight 150#. So I need at least 45# ballast to
fly solo. So with the proper ballast the plane will be 120# lighter with out
my instructor in it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189249#189249
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
I'm not recommending any option but if it was me I would prefer the water barrel.
I'd have a valve on it so I could let the water out if I wound up in an unstable
or dangerous condition due to the extra weight.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Cristal,
One addition to the answers on passengers.The Mark has a high thrust line,and
when you add weight and full power, be prepared for the tail to come up and the
nose to push over immediately.Bring the trim adjustment about halfway up for
passengers near 150# and keep the stick back firmly until the mains lift,then
slowly reduce back pressure to maintain the climb speed and rate you need.Even
the ladies will give you accurate answers when you ask about weight,a fact
that surprised me at first!It won't take long before you know how much trim to
add for their weight.The mark lands easier but faster when it's heavier.
Enjoy your Kolb,G Aman MK-3C
2200 Jabiru 320hrs -- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:51:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
(anyone know how much weight is in a cubic foot of sand?).>>
Hi Cristal,
Your friendly local building materials supplier will probably have sand in
clean prepacked plastic bags, sold by weight.. Beware as plastic bags are
slippery and will be difficult to secure.
<<smply adding a fellow experienced pilot)?>> That is the best option, but
make it an experience ultrlight pilot, preferably Kolb
<<e there any other differences to be aware of besides a longer takeoff (we
have a 6000ft runway here which should be way more than enough since I
barely use any of it when I'm by myself) and a faster approach on landing
(adding the 10-15mph to the new stall speed)? assuming still air>>
Sounds about right. You could land a B-17 on 6000 feet
I am in a similar position to you with only a few hours, and landings in an
Xtra. I have a committment to fly someone in the village as he bought a
flight in an ultralight which I put up for sale in an `Auction of Promises`
fund raiser around last Christmas. He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. It will
be a late evening , non thermic flight with a gentle cruise around for an
hour and hopefully an equally gentle landing. I know that the guys wife is
having conniptions at the thought of her beloved husband being up in the sky
in `that flying motorbike`.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Rotax 582 for sale with only 50 hours on it. |
Greetings,
There is a Rotax 582 blue head engine for sale here at our airport. The
owner is asking $3000 but make him an offer if you are interested. If you have
any questions let me know off list and I will ask the mechanic when I see him.
What brother told me about it is it was driven hard by a rich farmer in
Chihuahua for the first 50 hours causing the crankshaft to brake. The broken
crankshaft made a hole in the crankcase. The farmer replaced the engine with
a
new one and this one was given to the mechanic for services rendered. The
engine was torn down, inspected, the crankshaft was replaced, new rings
installed then was flown on a Rans for 15 hours. The Rans was never registered
so
the engine had to be removed.
Here is the e-mail I received
Rotax 582 has 65 hours since new.
At 50 hours the crankshaft broke through the bottom of the crankcase.
A new crankshaft and rings were installed and the hole on the crankcase was
welded close. After the repairs It was installed on a Rans and flown for 15
hours without a problem.
If you are interested please contact Eduardo Contredas at
_titanicaco@hotmail.com_ (mailto:titanicaco@hotmail.com) . You can view pictures of the engine
at
_http://www.members.aol.com/cesaru/582_
(http://www.members.aol.com/cesaru/582)
The engine is located at the El Paso, TX airport T27 and is being offered
for $3000, the buyer pays for shipping.
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Regards,
Will Uribe
FireStar II
El Paso, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
At 12:59 PM 6/22/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
Cristal,
You can purchase sand in 25 pound plastic bags. Does not cost very much and
it is easy to load/unload and fairly clean and easy to secure in the seat.
If you are worried about it shifting, purchase some light ratchet strap type
mechanisms that are used to hold odd shaped loads in pickups etc. They are
very inexpensive and can be used for all sorts of things.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
...............................
Cristal,
I failed to mention you do not have to put a full persons weight in the seat
on the first flight. I am a great believer in taking incremental small
steps as it prevents unwarranted surprises. Start out with 25 pounds in the
seat, and add another on each succeeding flight. This will let you fly out
of your normal strip and let you know if you should move to a longer strip
for flying a passenger. You end up finding out what you want to know, but
at lower risk, and more flights before you take up your first passenger.
At each weight increase climb to altitude and check out your stall speed.
If you are running out of back stick to lift the nose, you know what the
maximum weight is that you can safely fly in the passenger seat.
Fly safe.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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George Alexander!
pls contact me offlist
thanx
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| Subject: | Re: Information on Mark III and Kolbra |
WILLIAM, SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS , I WILL SEND YOU INFO. THANKS DONNIE.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William and/or Justina Fyfe" <wjfyfe@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Information on Mark III and Kolbra
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
I used 40 lb salt bags. -two at first, then three which was more
than my first passenger.
I strapped them in well, positioned to roughly reproduce a passenger.
I recommend the method as it gives you the assurance of no surprises.
The bags were "free" because I have a water softener.
BB
MkIII, suzuki
Scottsville,NY
On 23, Jun 2008, at 1:44 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:
> <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>
>
> At 12:59 PM 6/22/08 -0700, you wrote:
>> <cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
>>
>
> Cristal,
>
> You can purchase sand in 25 pound plastic bags. Does not cost very
> much and
> it is easy to load/unload and fairly clean and easy to secure in
> the seat.
> If you are worried about it shifting, purchase some light ratchet
> strap type
> mechanisms that are used to hold odd shaped loads in pickups etc.
> They are
> very inexpensive and can be used for all sorts of things.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
> ...............................
>
> Cristal,
>
> I failed to mention you do not have to put a full persons weight in
> the seat
> on the first flight. I am a great believer in taking incremental
> small
> steps as it prevents unwarranted surprises. Start out with 25
> pounds in the
> seat, and add another on each succeeding flight. This will let you
> fly out
> of your normal strip and let you know if you should move to a
> longer strip
> for flying a passenger. You end up finding out what you want to
> know, but
> at lower risk, and more flights before you take up your first
> passenger.
>
> At each weight increase climb to altitude and check out your stall
> speed.
> If you are running out of back stick to lift the nose, you know
> what the
> maximum weight is that you can safely fly in the passenger seat.
>
> Fly safe.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Winchester, IN
>
>
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| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
At 08:47 PM 6/19/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>For a FireFly with a 27 mph stall speed, it might be better to add a 20 mph
>margin...
In my US, which stalls at about the same speed, I fly final at 40-45
depending on conditions.
>Low inertia should/will allow quick acceleration if and only if you slam the
>stick forward to get out of the stall immediately and return to flying. If
>you don't do this you are in a high drag configuration with a high rate of
>deceleration and loosing altitude rapidly.
Actually, no. Low inertia means quick acceleration from power added, but
not from gravity. The lower weight of the plane means less potential
energy, too. A heavy object and a light one fall at the same rate, as
Galileo proved some 400 years ago.
-Dana
--
When I was young I was told that anyone could be President. I'm beginning
to believe it.
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| Subject: | William Sullivans Accident |
At 07:18 PM 6/23/08 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Actually, no. Low inertia means quick acceleration from power added, but
>not from gravity. The lower weight of the plane means less potential
>energy, too. A heavy object and a light one fall at the same rate, as
>Galileo proved some 400 years ago.
>
Dana,
In a departure stall, all the power has already been added. The only way
out of it is to move the stick forward.
Potential energy is a function of mass and height. If you want to fly at
equal potential energies, the FireFly will have to fly at greater
altitude.
You are right about Galileo where the assumption is made that the objects
have equal drag, but then again he was not dropping different models of
Kolb aircraft.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: William Sullivans Accident |
This may be a repeat. But I was told long ago that you never get in
trouble by pushing the stick FORWARD -- but you sure can by pulling
it back.
Still most good advice (IMHO
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On Jun 23, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 08:47 PM 6/19/2008, Jack B. Hart wrote:
>
>> For a FireFly with a 27 mph stall speed, it might be better to add
>> a 20 mph
>> margin...
>
> In my US, which stalls at about the same speed, I fly final at
> 40-45 depending on conditions.
>
>> Low inertia should/will allow quick acceleration if and only if
>> you slam the
>> stick forward to get out of the stall immediately and return to
>> flying. If
>> you don't do this you are in a high drag configuration with a high
>> rate of
>> deceleration and loosing altitude rapidly.
>
> Actually, no. Low inertia means quick acceleration from power
> added, but not from gravity. The lower weight of the plane means
> less potential energy, too. A heavy object and a light one fall at
> the same rate, as Galileo proved some 400 years ago.
>
> -Dana
> --
> When I was young I was told that anyone could be President. I'm
> beginning to believe it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Wow, I go off to work (yes, back to the grindstone) and come home to lots of advice
and even an ellery offer (um...no thx).
Waycross airport IS my normal airstrip, and I mentioned it had 6000ft to let you
guys know that I know I have PLENTY of room.
Grant, I don't think your instructor weighs that much either...when he flew it
did he add weight?
You asked about my signoff - that's a long story. I had to go to Tennessee to
find an instructor familiar with Kolb. We flew a Kolb but it wasn't my Mark II,
so that's why I haven't flown mine with someone in it. I know it'll carry
two good size people because when I bought it the man took me up in it. After
I bought it I started the process of getting the airworthiness certificate.
Couldn't fly it until that was completed and once that was completed there was
a five hour minimum solo flight restriction - couldn't even take up an instructor
with me. Couldn't find anyone locally willing to fly off the five hours
for me. And I couldn't solo my plane until someone signed me off to fly it.
An endless red-tape circle!
With Jim's help (to whom I am eternally grateful) I got signed off. I've flown
off the five hours. I'm close to getting my private certificate. And like John
said, I'm eager to take someone up with me. Not to show off, but to share
the joy of flying and the wonderful view. But as I hope you all can tell from
my questioning, I'm very safety conscience and I tend to follow rules closely
(thus the red-tape making me go in circles searching for a loop hole or way
to be able to fly my plane legally). I, like John, certainly don't want to do
anything to hurt anyone or myself. Everyone seems to have differing opinions
of what is safe.
On the Mark II there is a middle bar that leans over into the passenger's seat
making it only about 12 inches wide. If you're wider than that you have a bar
jabbing you in the hip. That doesn't leave much room to add bags of anything
or even a container. I mean...it's a small seat. For a quick flight around
the pattern (and going up high enough to find the new approach speed) is all I'd
probably take someone up for because any longer than that and they're going
to have a mighty sore hip.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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My uncle recently sent me this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
Cut and paste it into the address bar on your internet browser.
I wish they had those available now in America!
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi Mark,
It was a long time ago when I was in gliding but
98 fpm doesn`t mean much to me without the distance that you fly in that
time.
=C2-I learned to fly in a stick and string glider that would fly in a stra
ight line about 20 miles before it hit the ground from a mile high. When I
=C2- finished gliding I had a 19 metre plastic beast that would do over 40
miles from a mile high, and at nearly twice the speed.
=C2-
The way to go is a motor glider. Makes you independent of launching faciliti
es, gets you home when the day goes flat and is so slipery that it gives cro
ss country MPG undreamed of in any other machine.
=C2-
Cheers
=C2-
Pat
Pat=C2-
You seem to be in a Hurry to get someplace... 8-) Thats not the goal in the
Dragon... Its purpose is to soar...
Beleive me you WILL be looking up at steves Dragon while your packing up you
r motor glider... =C2-
He may have got there slower but as the sun sets he does get there and is st
ill in the air to prove it hahahaha
Below are some specs the Carbon Dragon was designed to meet or exceed .....
and here is a Web site of a Photo of me soaring beside Steve in his CarbonDr
agon
as well as some Pix of his bird..
http://www.sailplanehomebuilders.com/steve_arndt_cd.htm
Steves =C2-plane is modified and a bit lighter than the plans=C2-call fo
r so his sink rate reflects this...
But even a stock Carbon dragon is amazing to watch......=C2-
Steves Plane is also Super Clean just like a fast XC =C2-ship would be..
Pat=C2-
The purpose of a Carbon Dragon is to Exploit Micro LIft... Very Light Lift i
n very small pockets..
Also to take advantage of dynamic soaring conditions...
Climbing in Micro Lift =C2-is something the typical sailplane just can't d
o given its speed and =C2-turn
radus when thermalling..=C2-
A carbon dragon can easly =C2-orbit inside the bases of a base ball field.
. =C2-It has the same =C2-turn
radious as your Typical Flex wing Hangglider but Half the sink rate ....
=C2-
I often out climb sail planes in my Hangglider because Im able to turn alot
tighter and climb in=C2-
the Thermals core=C2-.. Steve also does this and with =C2-half my Sink r
ate so climbs much faster...
Spec: =C2-Required for exploiting microlift ... mostly from Gary Osoba
100 fpm Very low sink rate=C2-
=C2-25 mph Very low speed at above sink rate=C2-
Extremely small thermalling circle diameter (directly related to the speed s
quared ... v2)=C2-
=C2-26:1=C2-=C2-A decent glide ratio at a respectable speed ...
=C2-
Pat BTW =C2-
Todays top of the line Hangliders =C2-which we call RWs =C2-have the sam
e performance as your old stick and String Glider...
The =C2-difference is these gliders let you land on your feet in someones
back yard 8-) Oh and it fits on the Roof of your car..8-)
=C2-Mark
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> It doesn't just happen to Kolbers, Brother Kinne....one fine summer Sunday
> morning in 1955an Eastern Air Lines Martin 404 did that very thing at Bowman
> Field in Louisville.
And the USAF folks have have been remiss at times.....
Working the tower at Yokota AB Japan one day, and a C-5 inbound, Tachikawa AB
is about 3 1/2 miles southeast of Yokota. We hear a rather frantic Japanese
voice come up on guard channel, "Big-a bird on final, GO AWAY! GO AWAY!" If he
had gotten in, he wouldn't have been able to get out...3700 feet at Tachi vs
11,000 at Yokota.
Jim Baker
580.788.2779
Elmore City, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Hey Crystal and fellow Kolb friends
I trained in a Kolb Mk11 with a Rotax 503 before I soloed in my single place
Kolb... I can still remember my instructor stressing air speed and altitude
as my two best friends .. With a combined pilot and trainee weight of plus
400 pounds the Kolb flew more like a cargo plane than anything else but was
still quite a very stable platform ... I had no problems landing or taking off
just remembering taking a much longer distance for each ... Choosing to cut
the engine off on landing to coast to a quicker stop on the 1600 foot grass
strip we had landed in ... The main thing is to be safe and be prepared ....
Take the advice of those that's been there before... Obey your instructor and
know your airplane well.....
Stephen Baxley
2003 Kolb Firefly
South Georgia 17J
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Try selecting "Plain-text Only" as a sending option in your email client. Looks
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