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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? (William and/or Justina Fyfe)
2. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (pj.ladd)
3. 12:36 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (boyd)
4. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd)
5. 01:47 PM - Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (cristalclear13)
6. 01:57 PM - Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! (John Hauck)
7. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (knowvne@aol.com)
8. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (John Hauck)
9. 02:35 PM - Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! (knowvne@aol.com)
10. 03:03 PM - Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! (John Hauck)
11. 04:11 PM - Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! (Dana Hague)
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14. 05:18 PM - Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! (John Hauck)
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19. 08:04 PM - Questions about the Mark III and Kolbra (William and/or Justina Fyfe)
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| Subject: | Re: Text of my posts fail to show? Why? |
Thanks Matt. Let's see if this works?
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi Mark,
really interesting How is the dragon launched, cable or just leap off
a hill.?
Things have obviously moved on since I flew gliders. I had a 19mtre
span Jantar and only flirted with hang gliders for a short while. I
have always envied the hang gliders ability to stick the whole thing on
a car and travel to and from a gliding site.
Home built gliders are very few and far between in the UK. I dont know
anyone who has built one although there are some stirrings with a glider
to operate withinn the ultralight spec at the moment.
Looks as though the Dragon would be really fun. Provided you don`t want
to go anywhere. It seems to me that Hangliders and paragliders are
reinventing the wheel and doing everything that the the gliding movement
went through in the 30`s. First the flight sticking to hills, then the
venturing into thermals, then going from thermal to thermal to go cross
country. The perfect answer to those who think that gliding has got too
technical
Somewhere there is a Dagling in which I have a =C2=A35 share. I never
had the nerve to fly the thing. In my gliding club we launched it with a
winch cable once. I think that with 1000ft launch the Dagling landed
about 10 seconds after the cable end hit the ground.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
The W/B says the pilot weight should be a minimum of 195#. I weight 150#. So
I need at least 45# ballast to fly solo. So with the proper ballast the
plane will be 120# lighter with out my instructor in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If you put say 10 or 15 lbs in the nose,,, would do as much or more than 45
lbs in the seat. Putting the weight in the nose will give it a much
greater moment arm.
And what should you expect..... take off will be only 2/3 as long and
much quicker acceleration. Climb will be faster. The roll trim may be
different. You will need less elevator trim... be prepared to be amazed.
Boyd Young
MKIIIC 912
225+ hours and counting.
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
He paid around $120 for the flight but I
am not going to fly him until I feel a bit happier at the prospect. >>
Hi Cristal,
I wrote the above only yesterday. Unfortunately yeterday evening was soo
perfect that I took the bull by the horns, rang the guy who bought the
flight and offered to fly him .
Introduced the guy to the plane, did a walk round with him.Explained what I
was doing and strapped him in. Fired up and taxied out.
Now, the farmer has cut my field and there is hay lying everywhere, drying.
The strip has been raked clear but not the taxyway. Taxied out very
gingerly through the hay and went right to the end of the strip. Unusual as
I usually use only a part of it.
Told the passenger what was going to happen. Got him to move his hip away
from the dual throttle. Move his feet away from the pedals, move his left
arm so that I could operate the flaps
Ran through my mental checklist Controls, ballast, straps, intsruments trim
Flaps... At this point I decided that I should check to see if I had picked
up a load of hay round the mains or the tailwheel. Mains clear, eased my
straps to look out of the door to check the tailwheel. All OK. Tightened
straps completed checklist with Canopy( left over from gliding days) it
means check doors now, and Brakes, keep feet clear.
Opened the throttle, tail up, speed building.... we should be in the air by
now. Thinks...nil wind.....perhaps the passenger is heavier than
expected...going like the clappers now....too late to stop...hedge coming
up....drag the stick back and she reluctantly took off.
She was flying OK but not climbing as expected. Speed was ok so I just kept
going pretending to the passenger that all was normal. Arrived some time
later at 1000 ft and throttled back and finally had time to think.
You have got there by now. Right! . I had forgotten to set the takeoff Flap.
Enough for one flight you might think. But.. Flew to our home village,
passenger happily taking pics, circuited over the village and then flew on
when I noticed that the oil temp was in the red and the oil pressure had
dropped.
Very calmly I announced that something wasn`t quite right and it would be
prudent to fly back. Eased throttle and began to lose height and arrived at
the strip about 10 minutes later.. Pressure was still low but the temp had
eased a bit. Made a reasonable circuit apart from having to fight the
passenger for the flap lever, it really is an abortion, and then I messed up
the landing.
Allowing for the extra weight I arrived over the hedge at about 70 instead
of 60.In nil wind that was close to the ground speed. We whistled in. The
touchdown itself was a greaser but we took up about three quarters of the
strip wheras I am usually down in less than half. The passenger of course
thought this was quite normal.
Just to put the lid on everything. When I taxied in I found that the rear of
the plane was covered in oil Yuck. Engine frame, prop, fuselage, tail
feathers. It seems that when I changed the oil a couple of days ago I over
filled it, I hadn`t done an oil change before. and the excess had blown out
of the breather tube.
Luckily while I was cleaning up a couple of mates landed in a Jabiru and
kindly took my passenger off fora flight.
Over a beer later I was happy to hear my passenger say that although the
Jabiru was comfortable and quiet he preferred the Kolb beause of the
visibility.
If it can go wrong it will. All reminds me of a cartoon in a RAF
iinstructional magazine during the war. A whole bomber crew arriving at the
Pearly Gates saying "We forgot the checklist"
Today luckily has been quite nice weather and I have spent the day cleaning
oil from everything and arranging a bottle and a piece of hose for the blow
tube to lead into. Looking forward to checking the oil temp and pressure on
the next flight.
cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
> I took the bull by the horns, rang the guy who bought the
> flight and offered to fly him .
>
> Pat
Pat, Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad you and your passenger made
it safely home.
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
Patrick/Mark:
Don't ya think you all are getting a bit far from Kolb related subject matt
er?
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
----- Original Message -----
From: pj.ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff
Hi Mark,
really interesting How is the dragon launched, cable or just leap off
a hill.?
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| Subject: | Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff |
Hi Mark,
really interesting=C2-=C2- How is the dragon
launched, cable or just leap off=C2- a hill.?
Hi Pat
The Dragon Kit is designed with Bomb Bay Doors below the cockpit so you coul
d foot launch it if you wanted to
but Steve built his with a floor..Its so light that an Ultralite can tow it.
.. =C2-He's also =C2-launched it a few times
by a Car tow..
Things have obviously =C2-moved on=C2- since I
flew gliders. I had a 19mtre span Jantar and only flirted with hang gliders
for
a short while. =C2-
I have always envied the hang gliders ability to stick the
whole thing on a car and travel to and from a gliding site.
Pat
They have indeed......=C2-
Today we even have sailplanes that are Electric powered using a Folding boom
=C2-that comes up behind the cockpit..=C2-
The Apis Sail plane I believe even gives you the ability to recharge the Bat
tery in flight by=C2-Simply raising the boom and letting the
Prop wind mill as you ridge soar or climb out in that =C2-Ripper to cloud
base.. 8-)
Now THAT sounds like the perfect Air toy if you can afford one.. 8-)
And yes HangGliders have greatly evolved as well in the past 20 years I've b
een flying them.....10:1 to 20:1 Alum Tubes to
carbon fiber spars .. =C2-Transporting them to various sites =C2-is a bi
g plus=C2-and in fact around the world is possible...
Ive flown in Sydney, AU and Hawaii ... Fun Flying Vac....
Also some gliders can now be short packed =C2-to 8 ft.. This does require
some Extra assembly once your ready
to set her up but its very portable and great for traveling...=C2-
=C2-
Home built gliders are very few and far between in
the UK. I don't know anyone who has built one although there are some stirri
ngs
with a glider to operate within the ultralight spec at the moment.
Pat=C2-
I=C2-believe there is at least ONE Carbon Dragon on =C2-your side of the
pond... I thought I read some place about one being built
=C2-over there...
=C2-
Looks as though the Dragon would be really fun.
Provided you don`t want to go anywhere. =C2-
Well they fit in a trailer just like the Race=C2-ships do =C2-so you can
GO XC and land out.. Your slow enough that your Chace crew easily keep unde
r you as you go.... Its nice sometimes to have some eyes on the surface conf
irming Wind Direction and slope of chosen LZ 8-)
It seems to me that Hangliders and
paragliders are reinventing the wheel and doing everything that the the glid
ing
movement went through in the 30`s. First the flight sticking to hills, then
the
venturing into thermals, then=C2- going from thermal to thermal to go cros
s
country.=C2-
The fun thing about HangGliding is you often never know where you'll land...
=C2-And when you do you meet some amazed people just full=C2-of Question
s...=C2-
They're shocked to learn you just flew 100 miles in a KITE hahahaha ...
BTW =C2-I believe the Open Record is 450 miles=C2-and to a Declared Goal
just under 400miles..... =C2- =C2- =C2-
My longest is only 81 but have many 50 to 70 mile flights We have Oceans of
trees =C2-here that we have cross over
So Distance can be a reall challenge for us... I think our Area REcord is 12
5
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
I took the bull by the horns, rang the guy who bought the
> flight and offered to fly him .
>
> Pat
Patrick:
"Taking the bull by the horns is a good way to get gored."
Glad you did not kill or injure your innocent passenger.
Over the years I have been flying Kolbs, I have made it a hard and fast rule
to test fly the airplane solo before I put an innocent passenger in the
other seat. Do that every day I fly passengers to insujre it is good to go.
If I discover there is something not normal about the airplane, or me, after
I am airborne, then it is only me and the Kolb that have to deal with the
problem.
In the US, if we build our Kolbs to be "homebuilt/experimental category",
normally, we must fly off a 40 hour test period, solo. We are not legally
authorized to fly a passenger until we have flown off our test time. This
gives the pilot a lot of time to get to know his airplane before he attempts
to fly with a passenger.
High engine oil temp and low oil pressure is a pretty good indication of an
impending engine failure. But you know all that, of course.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
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Hi John
Yes I concede=C2-8-) =C2-
Mark
I love the KOLB in fact I came this close =C2-l<--->l =C2- to buying one
BUT the need for such a LONG trailer
to store and transport it to flying sites I want to some day visit is what d
eters me....
That is a nice advantage the Trike has over Fix wings... Very Portable....
=C2-
And thats probably Why they cost so damn much=C2-for what you get... 8-(
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 4:55 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent!
Patrick/Mark:
=C2-
Don't ya think you all are getting=C2-a bit
far=C2-from Kolb related subject matter?
=C2-
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
=C2-
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From:
pj.ladd
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:19
PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out
Dated Stuff
Hi Mark,
really interesting=C2-=C2- How is the dragon
launched, cable or just leap off=C2- a hill.?
=C2-
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Mark:
Most of us, on the Kolb List, have already made the decision to build and f
ly Kolbs. I've been doing just that for many, many years and flight hours.
I, personally, am not interested in trikes, hang gliders, paragliders, etc.
If I was, I'd have one, and be on a List that was dedicated to them.
I believe the only requirement to be a member of the Kolb List is to sign u
p and keep our posts Kolb related. Not much more to it.
I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around on top of, or behind, my tr
uck.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
That is a nice advantage the Trike has over Fix wings... Very Portable...
.
And thats probably Why they cost so damn much for what you get... 8-(
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! |
At 05:59 PM 6/24/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>
>I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around on top of, or behind, my
>truck.
Well, lots of us (including me!) did choose a Kolb for the ability to haul
it behind a truck. If I couldn't keep it in a trailer I wouldn't be flying it.
-Dana
--
Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq. Why don't we
send them ours? It worked for 200 years, and we don't use it any more.
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HI John=C2-
I completely understand the=C2-fascination and focus on KOLBs...
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent!
Mark:
=C2-
Most of us, on the Kolb List, have already made the
decision to build and fly Kolbs.=C2- I've been doing=C2-just that for ma
ny,
many years and flight hours.
=C2-
I, personally, am not interested in trikes, hang
gliders, paragliders, etc.=C2- If I was, I'd have one, and be on a List th
at
was dedicated to them.
=C2-
I believe the only requirement to be a member of
the Kolb List is to sign up and keep our posts Kolb related.=C2- Not much
more
to it.
=C2-
I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around on
top of, or behind, my truck.
=C2-
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
That is a nice advantage the Trike has over Fix wings... Very
Portable....=C2-
And thats probably Why they cost so damn much=C2-for what you get..
8-(
Mark
=C2-
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HAHAHAHAHA =C2-
DANA=C2-
I LOVE YOUR TAG LINE =C2-HAHAHAHA =C2- SAD TOO 8-/
MARK
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent!
At 05:59 PM 6/24/2008, John Hauck wrote:
=C2-
I built my airplanes to fly, not to haul around
on top of, or behind, my truck.
Well, lots of us (including me!) did choose a Kolb for the ability to
haul it behind a truck.=C2- If I couldn't keep it in a trailer I
wouldn't be flying it.
-Dana
--
=C2-Work is underway on drafting a new constitution for Iraq.=C2- Why
don't we send them ours?=C2- It worked for 200 years, and we don't use
it any more.
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Dana:
When I spoke of flying and not hauling, I was speaking strictly for myself. I
understand there are a lot of folks that have no choice, and a lot of folks that
like to put their Kolb in a trailer and haul it around behind their cars and
trucks. That is the primary reason Homer has designed all his airplanes from
the Ultrastar forward with folding wings. It is still a very big selling point
for TNK.
I have been very fortunate. Never had to trailer my Kolbs, except to get them
from the shop to the airstrip, and to retrieve them when I broke them beyond their
capability to fly me home. Been flying out of a little 750 grass strip in
the cow pasture for more than 24 years. In fact, got a chance today to share
that airstrip, the mkIII, the cows, the cow manure, antique tractors, with some
mighty fine folks from Pennsylvania, Terry and Pat Frantz, my old friends
from south of Smoketown, PA. Terry is the man that organizes the Homer Kolb Father's
Day Flyins. Was totally surprised when they came driving in my drive
pulling a popup camper, unannounced. The beauty of the whole thing is he was
delayed by 30 minutes trying to find a Shell fuel station. I had returned from
a trip to Mobile, Alabama, 10 minutes prior to their arrival. Had they not
gotten lost trying to find the Shell Station, I would not have been at home, and
we would have missed each other. We had a great visit. Always good to spend
time with Kolb friends.
When I make comments on the Kolb List, I make them for myself and not others.
I try not to give advice, but to share what I have done right or wrong in situations
that involve building and flying Kolbs. I personally do not like to get
advice from people that have little or no experience flying Kolbs in matters
that are pertinent to Kolbs.
Guess I better get down off my soapbox. Got a bc msg to check my meds. ;-)
Take care,
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
--------
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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Dana:
Forgot to mention in my previous response, I have quite a bit of experience
trailering Kolbs. In fact, I broke my mkIII,1 July 2000, at Muncho Lake i
n northern BC, Canada. Did a very good job of breaking it. It was unflyab
le and would take some extensive repairs to get it flying again. The best
course of action was return home to Alabama, get the truck and trailer, the
n drive 3,742 miles from hauck's holler, alabama, to Muncho Lake, BC. Took
a couple days to configure the trailer, load the mkIII, secure it, and dep
art for Oshkosh. We made it to OSH the first day of the flyin, mkIII in to
w. From OSH back home was another thousand miles and a couple more days.
Took 30 days from the time I crashed until I got the mkIII home.
Some of you may have been at OSH that year. I gave a briefing on how to cu
t a flight to Barrow, AK, OSH, and home, short in flight hours, but long in
driving and hauling.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Well, lots of us (including me!) did choose a Kolb for the ability to ha
ul it behind a truck. If I couldn't keep it in a trailer I wouldn't be fly
ing it.
-Dana
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At 08:41 PM 6/24/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>... 3,742 miles... I gave a briefing on how to cut a flight to Barrow, AK,
>OSH, and home, short in flight hours, but long in driving and hauling.
That's a l-o-n-g drive! And I thought my 570 mile round trip seemed long...
Thought it seems a lot longer when you know you have a bent axle... and as
you know it's a good thing it wasn't even one mile longer...
-Dana
--
The Bill of Rights goes too far--it should have stopped at "Congress
shall make no law".
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OK. Lemme try?
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It works! Thanks Matt!
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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| Subject: | Questions about the Mark III and Kolbra |
Here are my thoughts and maybe some of you can advise me on my sanity.
We presently own a 150HP Cessna 150. A great airplane for most of what
we have done with it. But very recently we have decided that we just are
not that interested any more in the longer cross country flying. So, I am looking
for an
airplane that is more suitable doing low and slow just for local
pursuits. An airplane that is capable of those shorter, rough
airstrips. Or, possibly no airstrip at all. Something with good visibility. One
that folds down easily for transport so we can take the airplane with us when
we travel if we choose.
What do some of you think? Is the Kolb the right aircraft for us?
Thanks!
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about the Mark III and Kolbra |
In a message dated 6/24/2008 11:05:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wjfyfe@att.net writes:
What do some of you think? Is the Kolb the right aircraft for us?
Bill,
YEP! Kolb is the only one.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Questions about the Mark III and Kolbra |
It sure sounds like a Kolb will fit all your desires
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 6/24/2008 11:05:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wjfyfe@att.net writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "William and/or Justina Fyfe"
<wjfyfe@att.net>
Here are my thoughts and maybe some of you can advise me on my sanity.
We presently own a 150HP Cessna 150. A great airplane for most of what
we have done with it. But very recently we have decided that we just are
not that interested any more in the longer cross country flying. So, I am
looking for an
airplane that is more suitable doing low and slow just for local
pursuits. An airplane that is capable of those shorter, rough
airstrips. Or, possibly no airstrip at all. Something with good visibility.
One that folds down easily for transport so we can take the airplane with us
when we travel if we choose.
What do some of you think? Is the Kolb the right aircraft for us?
Thanks!
Bill
Grants Pass, Oregon
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