---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/25/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:42 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd) 2. 02:48 AM - ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (pj.ladd) 3. 02:48 AM - Re: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! (pj.ladd) 4. 03:04 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd) 5. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (gary aman) 6. 07:34 AM - Pilot Error (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 7. 09:27 AM - why can't I see photos (Lee/Cannon) 8. 11:53 AM - Re: why can't I see photos (Russ Kinne) 9. 12:43 PM - Re: why can't I see photos (possums) 10. 12:54 PM - Re: Pilot Error (pj.ladd) 11. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd) 12. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (Jerry Jones) 13. 02:01 PM - Re: why can't I see photos (planecrazzzy) 14. 02:14 PM - Re: why can't I see photos (robert bean) 15. 03:05 PM - Re: why can't I see photos (possums) 16. 03:59 PM - Re: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (knowvne@aol.com) 17. 05:10 PM - Re: why can't I see photos (robcannon) 18. 05:10 PM - Re: why can't I see photos (Matt Dralle) 19. 06:20 PM - Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. (JetPilot) 20. 06:59 PM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Denny Rowe) 21. 08:49 PM - Re: Mk 3 steel main gear legs (Denny Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:25 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar "Taking the bull by the horns is a good way to get gored." Hi John,Good one. I will remember that. After all my good advice to Cristal about being properly prepared, I had to get it all wrong. <> I had flown the day before. What I hadn`t done was fly since my oil change. I dont see quite how , until I investigate further, but I suspect that the low pressure and the high temps were related to the oil change somehow. Hot oil on the sensor perhaps? I drained the oil out yesterday and only refilled to a much lower level. Ground ran the engine for a long period (It was too rough to fly) and evrything seems OK. I good grind around the patch within gliding distance of my strip seems to be indicated before going further. Luckily most of the hayfields are cut so there are plenty of big field to put her down in if the worst happens. I managed not to scare my passenger anyhow. . He rang me up to thank me for the flight and asked to fly again. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:20 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff .Its so light that an Ultralite can tow it...>> Hi Mark I think that is done pretty regularly here. The rest of your post just shows how out of touch I am. Back to Kolbs Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:58 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Subject Changed To Protect The Innocent! Patrick/Mark: Don't ya think you all are getting a bit far from Kolb related subject matter?>> Quite right John. I consider my wrist slapped. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:10 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar Pat, Thanks for sharing your experience.>> Hi Cristal, Glad you liked it, and learned from it, I hope.. At least my stupidity can do someone a bit of good. They say that bad things happen in threes. In this case It was 1) Absolutely zero wind, 2) Not putting in enough trim to compensate for the passenger weight. 3) Missing the flap setting from my interrupted Check list. Good .luck. Keep us posted with your progress. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:29 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar Pat, What powers your Kolb? ----- Original Message ---- From: pj.ladd Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:39:25 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar "Taking the bull by the horns is a good way to get gored." Hi John,Good one. I will remember that. After all my good advice to Cristal about being properly prepared, I had to get it all wrong. <> I had flown the day before. What I hadn`t done was fly since my oil change. I dont see quite how , until I investigate further, but I suspect that the low pressure and the high temps were related to the oil change somehow. Hot oil on the sensor perhaps? I drained the oil out yesterday and only refilled to a much lower level. Ground ran the engine for a long period (It was too rough to fly) and evrything seems OK. I good grind around the patch within gliding distance of my strip seems to be indicated before going further. Luckily most of the hayfields are cut so there are plenty of big field to put her down in if the worst happens. I managed not to scare my passenger anyhow. . He rang me up to thank me for the flight and asked to fly again. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:14 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: Pilot Error With all this non Kolb stuff I figured I could send this. I didn't write this. My ex-wife started taking flying lessons about the time our divorce started and she got her license shortly before our divorce was final, later that same year. Yesterday afternoon, she narrowly escaped injury in the aircraft she was piloting when she was forced to make an emergency landing in Southern Tennessee because of bad weather. Thank God our kids were with me at the Beach House this weekend. The NTSB issued a preliminary report, citing pilot error: Judy was flying a single engine aircraft in IFR (instrument flight rating) conditions while only having obtained a VFR (visual flight rating) rating. The absence of a post-crash fire was likely due to insufficient fuel on board. No one on the ground was injured. The photograph below was taken at the scene and shows the extent of damage to her aircraft. She was very lucky. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:23 AM PST US From: "Lee/Cannon" Subject: Kolb-List: why can't I see photos Can anyone tell me why I can't see photos which people attach ? thanks, Rob ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:16 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why can't I see photos May be a PC-Mac problem. I think most of us have the same problem. Right now I can't SEND any do not archive On Jun 25, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Lee/Cannon wrote: > Can anyone tell me why I can't see photos which people attach ? > thanks, Rob > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:58 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why can't I see photos At 02:48 PM 6/25/2008, you wrote: >May be a PC-Mac problem. I think most of us have the same problem. >Right now I can't SEND any >do not archive I sometimes I attach one & a completely different one shows up, like this picture of "Marilyn Monroe". do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:28 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot Error With all this non Kolb stuff I figured I could send this.>> Watch it. John H will be after you. Very funny though. Still chuckling Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:37 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar What powers your Kolb? I have a Jabiru. The only engine which is cleared for use on the Xtra in the UK. The others put the weight above the ultralight limit. Pat ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:33 PM PST US From: Jerry Jones Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar Pat, What prop are you using with your Jab and how many blades? Three blades on a pusher are reported to be considerably quieter than two, but wooden props are normally recommended, though perhaps difficult to find. I've got a Jab on another bird and am considering hanging it on a Kolb, but not certain which one. Kinda miss the Firestar I had and slewing sideways in a crosswind now and then. Jerry On Jun 25, 2008, at 12:54 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > What powers your Kolb? > > I have a Jabiru. The only engine which is cleared for use on the > Xtra in the UK. The others put the weight above the ultralight limit. > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: why can't I see photos From: "planecrazzzy" Maybe your on the "OLD" kolb list...??? The New one shows the pictures... .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189802#189802 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/test_flight_206.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:45 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why can't I see photos I found that pic disturbing.... -but then I have been breathing paint fumes all day. BB do not archive On 25, Jun 2008, at 3:40 PM, possums wrote: > At 02:48 PM 6/25/2008, you wrote: >> May be a PC-Mac problem. I think most of us have the same problem. >> Right now I can't SEND any >> do not archive > > > I sometimes I attach one & a completely different one shows up, like > this picture of "Marilyn Monroe". > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:20 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why can't I see photos At 05:12 PM 6/25/2008, you wrote: >I found that pic disturbing.... >-but then I have been breathing paint fumes all day. >BB >do not archive Step back about 10 or 15 ft from the screen & look again. >do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff From: knowvne@aol.com Yes even a KOLB with a Tow hook =C2-could tow it up.. 8-) Mark -----Original Message----- From: pj.ladd Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:44 am Subject: Kolb-List: ...olb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff .Its so light that an Ultralite can tow it...>> =C2- Hi Mark =C2- I think that is done pretty regularly here. =C2- The rest of your post just shows how out of touch I am. =C2- Back to Kolbs =C2- Cheers =C2- Pat ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: why can't I see photos From: "robcannon" thanks, folks.........I think it was the "old list" cheers, Rob [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189833#189833 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:31 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: why can't I see photos Are you reading from the Digest version of the Email distribution? Photos are not included in the Digest version, only the Real-time version of the email distribution. Pictures are always available in the Forums version of the List: http://forums.matronics.com Matt At 11:48 AM 6/25/2008 Wednesday, you wrote: >May be a PC-Mac problem. I think most of us have the same problem. >Right now I can't SEND any >do not archive > > >On Jun 25, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Lee/Cannon wrote: > >>Can anyone tell me why I can't see photos which people attach ? thanks, Rob >> >> >> >> > > >Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 >925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email >http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. From: "JetPilot" The roll forces on my MK III have always been heavy which is annoying but flyable since the Kolb is very stable... My biggest concern is that the rate of roll on my MK III Xtra has always been pretty slow, which can be dangerous in certain situations. I have always felt that if I got banked sharply close to the ground such as in wake turbulence or in a Rotor off a hanger that I would have a hard time rolling the plane back to level quickly. I have seen where a number of people have done mods to their Kolbs to give more mechanical advantage to moving the ailerons, which helps reduce the stick forces for normal slow roll rates, but it useless for improving the rate of roll. The problem is that the aileron actuator tube that runs from the cage along the trailing edge of the wing to the aileron will twist instead of moving the aileron if a large movement is commanded in flight. If you want to test this for yourself, move the stick to each limit on the ground, and watch how much your aileron deflects... Then move the stick to each limit in flight in the air and you will see that the aileron deflects less than half of what it did on the ground, that is the tube twisting which acts like a spring in the stick... Essentially most of the stick travel is being wasted in the spring effect of the tube twisting instead of moving the aileron. My solution was to put Aileron Spades on my MK III Xtra. Spades use aerodynamic forces actually make the aileron deflect easier, not just a mechanical advantage, so the aileron actuator tube twisting is much less of a problem. I designed the spade brackets to fit right on to the aileron tube, and had Kolb fabricate them. Dennis at Kolb did an incredible job of making a very strong steel bracket that makes my spades more rigid than the spades found 200 MPH Decathlon that shares my hanger. Each spade is attached to its aileron tube with 48 rivets and leveled to within 1/3 of a degree to the bottom of each aileron. Spades are common and used on many different type of aircraft, including some airplanes that are in the same weight and speed speed class as our Kolbs ( Many Rans Models and others ). Aileron spades are a well tested, accepted, and proven way to make aileron forces lighter. As with anything in aviation, close attention must be paid to detail with this modification... A poorly mounted, or incorrectly positioned spade will very possibly result in an uncontrollable roll and a crash. The spades have helped lighten the roll forces of the MK III considerably, I now feel very good about the rate of roll, with the added benefit of light feeling ailerons that are more balanced with the light forces of the elevator. I am also much happier with the way my Kolb feels and flies with the addition of spades, it also feels much better in turbulence since I have the ability to quickly and easily correct any banks caused by conditions. Very thorough flight testing, and many hours of normal flying have shown the addition of aileron spades on my Kolb to work very well with no undesirable results. Attached are some pictures. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189848#189848 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbspadeconstructiondetail05_2008_43_211.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbspadeconstructiondetail05_2008_30_775.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbspadeconstructiondetail05_2008_18_141.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightaerialkolbspadedetailfloridahomestead06_02_2008_31_742.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:56 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Richard, If you still have the gear legs I am finally ready to pay up. I recall the price was $250 plus $25 shipping. Let me know if you still want to sale them and I will get a check in the mail. Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Yep, still on my "parts I'll use someday" rack. Rick On 7/16/07, Denny Rowe wrote: Rich, Do you still have the gear legs? Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Colder than a well digger's knee caps here, I woosed out last night, but got a picture today. Still in TNK tape and factory insert up to here lines. Rick On 2/1/07, Denny Rowe wrote: Are "these" ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Rowe To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Are this legs for a Mk-3 Classic? Do you still have them? Pic? Denny Rowe rowedenny@windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs When I was in the midst of main gear straightening caused by my horrible landing technique, I thought the way out was TNK's steel gear legs. Now that I am pretty happy with my landings, I know I'm not going to install them. $350 for the pair, plus shipping. Rick -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1/31/2007 3:16 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Date: 2/1/2007 2:28 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List http://forums.matronics.com when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7/14/2007 3:36 PM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:00 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk 3 steel main gear legs Guys and Gals, Sorry about that last post, did not mean for it to be on the list. 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