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1. 01:44 AM - Re: why can't I see photos (pj.ladd)
2. 02:28 AM - Kolb Sales (alking50)
3. 04:07 AM - Re: why can't I see photos (icrashrc)
4. 05:00 AM - Re: Kolb Sales (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
5. 05:04 AM - Re: Kolb Sales (David Key)
6. 05:06 AM - Re: Kolb Sales (John Hauck)
7. 07:03 AM - Re: Kolb Sales (Russ Kinne)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: Kolb Sales (alking50)
9. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd)
10. 07:45 AM - Archives searches (Mike Welch)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: Archives searches (cristalclear13)
12. 10:00 AM - Re: Archives searches (Dana Hague)
13. 10:14 AM - Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. (Jack B. Hart)
14. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (John Hauck)
15. 10:24 AM - Re: Archives searches (John Hauck)
16. 11:08 AM - Quiet Kolb (robcannon)
17. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (gary aman)
18. 11:29 AM - Re: Quiet Kolb (John Hauck)
19. 11:38 AM - Re: Quiet Kolb (JR)
20. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: Quiet Kolb (pj.ladd)
22. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (Jerry Jones)
23. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (Jerry Jones)
24. 12:13 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd)
25. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (pj.ladd)
26. 12:34 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
27. 01:14 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (robcannon)
28. 02:27 PM - Re: noise (Russ Kinne)
29. 02:40 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (robert bean)
30. 02:56 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (robcannon)
31. 03:16 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (Jerry Jones)
32. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar (gary aman)
33. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Quiet Kolb (robert bean)
34. 05:27 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (Ralph B)
35. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Quiet Kolb (Russ Kinne)
36. 07:04 PM - Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. (Steven Green)
37. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Quiet Kolb (robert bean)
38. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Quiet Kolb (Russ Kinne)
39. 07:46 PM - Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. (lucien)
40. 08:10 PM - Re: Quiet Kolb (cristalclear13)
41. 08:40 PM - Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC (John H Murphy)
42. 10:45 PM - Re: Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC (Tony Oldman)
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| Subject: | Re: why can't I see photos |
this picture of "Marilyn Monroe".>>
I think maybe your computer is bent.
Cheers
Pat :-)
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I recent retired (2nd time) and have been doing my research for a build and fly
project. The Kolb MrkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I live in Asia
I have not had an opportunity to see and fly one. I called the factory to
make an appointment to come there for a look and to test fly the Extra. Dennis
told me it was doubtful if I could fly one because there is no qualified pilot
around. I explained that I was going to travel 8000 miles to come see and
make my final decision based on what I saw and how it flew. He just said I cant
promise you any thing but I'll make a call or two.
Just makes me wonder how they ever imagine selling an airplane with out a test
flight. Did they ever make a call to their competition? They have a totally
different attitude even offering transportation and lodging. Maybe he did not
think I was serious but seems if a guy will travel that far he may be a little
interested. Well I changed m plans and will go see another aircraft. I will
be in Seattle area July 10 to 14 and would love to make contact with an owner
around there. I would appreciate any help in that regard. I still like the
airplane but...
Al. King
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| Subject: | Re: why can't I see photos |
Mike,
That picture seems to have been taken between 9 and 11.
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Maybe your on the "OLD" kolb list...???
>
> The New one shows the pictures...
> .
> .
> .
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
> .
> .
> .
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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Al
this is the first post I have seen from you here, sometimes things in life
are not available when you expect it .
just because you live in Asia you shouldn't expect people around here to
just drop everything we are doing to see that you get waited on as you see fit,
Your only talking about one airplane right, not a whole fleet of them, some
people expect way too much.
if you have been lurking on this list a while, you would know that there are
a bunch of us that are satisfied kolb owners (check the arcives) and you
could learn a lot about there flying characteristics on here to. Im sure if
someone near your travels on this list would be willing to make your wish
something workable including myself and I wish you the best of luck and hope to
see you in a Kolb some day in the future
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:29:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
alking737@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "alking50" <alking737@yahoo.com>
I recent retired (2nd time) and have been doing my research for a build and
fly project. The Kolb MrkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I live
in Asia I have not had an opportunity to see and fly one. I called the
factory to make an appointment to come there for a look and to test fly the Extra.
Dennis told me it was doubtful if I could fly one because there is no
qualified pilot around. I explained that I was going to travel 8000 miles to
come
see and make my final decision based on what I saw and how it flew. He just
said I cant promise you any thing but I'll make a call or two.
Just makes me wonder how they ever imagine selling an airplane with out a
test flight. Did they ever make a call to their competition? They have a
totally different attitude even offering transportation and lodging. Maybe he
did not think I was serious but seems if a guy will travel that far he may be
a
little interested. Well I changed m plans and will go see another aircraft.
I will be in Seattle area July 10 to 14 and would love to make contact with
an owner around there. I would appreciate any help in that regard. I still
like the airplane but...
Al. King
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You're not the first one to wonder about the companies sales strategy. I wi
ll confim that they will do anything durring the building process to suppor
t you, I made many calls and got immeadate assistance.
> Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Sales> From: alking737@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26
Jun 2008 02:26:04 -0700> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> > --> Kolb-List mess
age posted by: "alking50" <alking737@yahoo.com>> > I recent retired (2nd ti
me) and have been doing my research for a build and fly project. The Kolb M
rkIII Extra is definitely a finalist. Since I live in Asia I have not had a
n opportunity to see and fly one. I called the factory to make an appointme
nt to come there for a look and to test fly the Extra. Dennis told me it wa
s doubtful if I could fly one because there is no qualified pilot around. I
explained that I was going to travel 8000 miles to come see and make my fi
nal decision based on what I saw and how it flew. He just said I cant promi
se you any thing but I'll make a call or two.> > Just makes me wonder how t
hey ever imagine selling an airplane with out a test flight. Did they ever
make a call to their competition? They have a totally different attitude ev
en offering transportation and lodging. Maybe he did not think I was seriou
s but seems if a guy will travel that far he may be a little interested. We
ll I changed m plans and will go see another aircraft. I will be in Seattle
area July 10 to 14 and would love to make contact with an owner around the
re. I would appreciate any help in that regard. I still like the airplane b
ut...> > Al. King> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.ma
==================> > >
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I still like the airplane but...
>
> Al. King
Hi Al:
Welcome to the Kolb List.
Where in Asia do you live? Asia is a pretty big continent.
TNK is a very small company. That means they have 4 full time employees,
President, Donnie Sizemore; Parts and Sales, Travis Brown; Ken does
fabrication; and Dennis is the welder. You were speaking with the welder
because one of his secondary duties is to answer the phone if Travis and
Donnie are not available.
Why don't you give TNK another call and talk to the Pres?
TNK is more than an airplane experience. They are more like family, once
you join them. Don't think you can expect that type treatment from the
larger airplane companies.
I have flown the new MKIIIx. It is a terrific airplane.
john hauck
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Al King
Please don't think too harshly about the folk at the Kolb plant in
Kentucky.
They all, after all, manufacturers of kitplanes, and not a flight
school. If they
don't have a demo aircraft on hand, or a pilot qualified to teach,
that's not too surprising,
and hardly their fault.
I think a Kolb owner on the list will probably contact you and try to
help.
In any case, you wouldn't be able safely pilot a Kolb, or anything
else, without a fair
amount of instruction
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On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:26 AM, alking50 wrote:
>
> I recent retired (2nd time) and have been doing my research for a
> build and fly project. The Kolb MrkIII Extra is definitely a
> finalist. Since I live in Asia I have not had an opportunity to
> see and fly one. I called the factory to make an appointment to
> come there for a look and to test fly the Extra. Dennis told me it
> was doubtful if I could fly one because there is no qualified pilot
> around. I explained that I was going to travel 8000 miles to come
> see and make my final decision based on what I saw and how it
> flew. He just said I cant promise you any thing but I'll make a
> call or two.
>
> Just makes me wonder how they ever imagine selling an airplane with
> out a test flight. Did they ever make a call to their
> competition? They have a totally different attitude even offering
> transportation and lodging. Maybe he did not think I was serious
> but seems if a guy will travel that far he may be a little
> interested. Well I changed m plans and will go see another
> aircraft. I will be in Seattle area July 10 to 14 and would love
> to make contact with an owner around there. I would appreciate any
> help in that regard. I still like the airplane but...
>
> Al. King
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189887#189887
>
>
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Thanks to each on of you that took the time to respond to my ranting. I Understand
now more about the company. I really appreciator your replays to me. I
will be at Arlington and hopefully Ill find some proud KOLB owners there. Im
looking forward oto meeting many of you in the future.
Thanks again,
Allan King
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Allan L. King
Continental Airlines
Retired and loving it!
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
What prop are you using with your Jab and how many blades?>>
Hi Jerry,
prop is 2 blade, wooden GT/157. 157 cms dia X 98cms pitch.
The dealer reports better performance with the Prince `P` tip.
I have found the combination very noisy indeed although I think it can
only be the result of the `pusher` configuration as Jabi`s in normal
tractor config are super quiet.
I would like to run the exhausts so that it is expelled outside the
diameter of the prop to see if that makes it quieter. Unfortunately it
would be pretty expensive to get a one off system made and there would
be a weight penalty.We do not have your freedom to experiment and a
change like that would need permission for a modification from the Light
Aircraft Assoc.
Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a solution,
I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise from a 912 and a
Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would probably be valid
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Archives searches |
Kolbers,
Since the subject was recently brought up to look "in the archives", my response
is "You've got to be kidding!!!
I HAVE done a few archive searches. But, I must say, finding what you are searching
for can be a real nightmare, and at the very least, a half a day affair!!
An archive search is a TRUE arduous task!!
Example: Say you want to look up "aileron controls". You enter "aileron controls"
in the search engine...and up come 635 responses. You start reading these
responses, and after the first one or two the subject matter starts getting
mired in all kinds of irrelevent stuff. It seems that before long the subject
completely drifted away from ailerons...and now is talking about watch batteries
or boat paint. What's worse is no one even changes the subject line,
so that all the chatter goes on and on and on about nothing to do with ailerons.
But since you REALLY want to know about "ailerons" you weed through these unrelated
comments with a hope that at least a couple will address the subject matter!!
All this weeding through junk costs you an afternoon!!!
This is ONE of the reasons why certain people keep asking us to stay on topic
(KOLBS!!!!), and remain inside the subject. An archive search is quite useless
when only 3% of the responses have ANYTHING to do with the subject.
We might try looking at our response to a subject line, and ask "Is this answer
relevent to the subject, and does it have anything to do with flying or building
a Kolb??"
I hope I haven't offended anyone. There IS a reason why we are supposed to stay
on the subject of KOLBS and related items. (Not just to irritate John!)
Have a nice day.
Mike Welch
MkIII CX (building)
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| Subject: | Re: Archives searches |
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote:
> Kolbers,
>
> Since the subject was recently brought up to look "in the archives", my response
is "You've got to be kidding!!!
>
> I HAVE done a few archive searches. But, I must say, finding what you are
searching for can be a real nightmare, and at the very least, a half a day affair!!
An archive search is a TRUE arduous task!!
>
> Example: Say you want to look up "aileron controls". You enter "aileron controls"
in the search engine...and up come 635 responses. You start reading
these responses, and after the first one or two the subject matter starts getting
mired in all kinds of irrelevent stuff. It seems that before long the subject
completely drifted away from ailerons...and now is talking about watch batteries
or boat paint. What's worse is no one even changes the subject line,
so that all the chatter goes on and on and on about nothing to do with ailerons.
>
> But since you REALLY want to know about "ailerons" you weed through these unrelated
comments with a hope that at least a couple will address the subject
matter!! All this weeding through junk costs you an afternoon!!!
>
> This is ONE of the reasons why certain people keep asking us to stay on topic
(KOLBS!!!!), and remain inside the subject. An archive search is quite useless
when only 3% of the responses have ANYTHING to do with the subject.
>
> We might try looking at our response to a subject line, and ask "Is this answer
relevent to the subject, and does it have anything to do with flying or building
a Kolb??"
>
> I hope I haven't offended anyone. There IS a reason why we are supposed to
stay on the subject of KOLBS and related items. (Not just to irritate John!)
>
> Have a nice day.
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX (building)
>
> Do not archive
>
Amen!
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Archives searches |
At 10:42 AM 6/26/2008, Mike Welch wrote:
> This is ONE of the reasons why certain people keep asking us to stay on
> topic (KOLBS!!!!), and remain inside the subject. An archive search is
> quite useless when only 3% of the responses have ANYTHING to do with the
> subject.
It's also a reason to:
Change the subject line when the discussion has drifted,
Delete quoted and requoted text when it has nothing to do with the new
subject, and
Use "do not archive" when it has nothing to do with anything Kolb related.
-Dana
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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us with
sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -- Galileo
Galilei
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll |
Rates.
At 06:17 PM 6/25/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
.............................
>My solution was to put Aileron Spades on my MK III Xtra. Spades use
aerodynamic forces actually make the aileron deflect easier, not just a
mechanical advantage, so the aileron actuator tube twisting is much less of
a problem. I designed the spade brackets to fit right on to the aileron
tube, and had Kolb fabricate them. Dennis at Kolb did an incredible job of
making a very strong steel bracket that makes my spades more rigid than the
spades found 200 MPH Decathlon that shares my hanger. Each spade is
attached to its aileron tube with 48 rivets and leveled to within 1/3 of a
degree to the bottom of each aileron.
.............................
>
Mike,
I am pleased they have worked out for you. How did you decide on the moment
arm length, the spade area, and the number of holes to attach it to the
aileron tube?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Patrick:
We aren't flying Cessna Citations or Lear Jets. Some of us are building th
ese things in the basement and flying them out of cow pastures. They are n
oisy as Hell and I don't know that anyone has built a quiet one yet. I thi
nk the problem is the engine and prop are on the wrong end. When I am at L
akeland and OSH, I am always amazed at how quiet the tractors are, powered
with the same prop and engine I have.
Get a good ANR headset, learn how to fly your airplane, see if you can get
to TBO next year, and enjoy the Hell out of it.
I plan on doing that, if I can. Tomorrow morning flying to Harris Field, R
aleigh, MS, home of Paul Petty's ex-Father-In-Law. Going to do some Kolbra
tweaking, get a BFR out of the way, eat some home grown vegetables and fri
ed chicken. Hope to beat the thunderstorms by getting out of here early in
the morning, and back home again early tomorrow morning. A 400 mile round
trip flight is good for the soul. Haven't done a cross country since I re
turned from out West the first of June.
Two weeks until John Bickham's Nauga Field Flyin at Star Hill, LA. Everyon
e is invited. Prefer flying in, but if you can't fly, hitch a ride and get
there the best way you can. I can assure you you will have a ball. These
folks know how to take care of their guests. Most of the old gang that fl
ew cross country flights with John W will be there to honor our old buddy,
tell lies, eat good, and maybe play a little Knock Knock Poker if the weath
er turns sour. See ya'll there!!!
Take care,
john h
mkIII
2,800+ hours and counting in the old mkIII, Miss P'fer (p fer plane)
Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a solution,
I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise from a 912 and a Ja
bi are pretty similar so any comments would probably be valid
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Archives searches |
> I hope I haven't offended anyone. There IS a reason why we are supposed
to stay on the subject of KOLBS and related items. (Not just to irritate
John!)
>
> Have a nice day.
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX (building)
Mike:
Who said I was irritated. You took that for granted. I wasn't frowning or
snarling as I typed those emails. In fact, I think I added a smiley face to
let you all know I was my same "old" contented, happy, mellowed out self.
Takes more than a couple shit birds to irritate me. After having an
Infantry Company a couple years and an Officer Student Aviation Company for
a year, the only thing that bothers me is someone leaning on my Kolb or
putting finger prints on the windshield. ;-)
There is definitely a reason for Matt's suggested guidelines for operation
of the Kolb List. If it strays too far away from center, it becomes a hang
glider or truck repair list. I'm here because I like Kolbs. I also like a
lot of other stuff too, dirt bikes, ATVs, antique tractors, boating, RV'ing,
but it doesn't have a place on the Kolb List.
john h
mkIII
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I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be is yet to be
seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently meets strict
European noise standard) whatever that means, and a four blade 65" powerfin prop.........should
be running in a week or so. Any guesses on how quiet it will
be? Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
Noise is a problem.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust system.Also requires
sealing the fuselage tube to keep exhaust from coming up the tube.
----- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:36:46 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
What prop are you using with your Jab and how many
blades?>>
Hi Jerry,
prop is 2 blade, wooden GT/157. 157 cms
dia X 98cms pitch.
The dealer reports better performance with the
Prince `P` tip.
I have found the combination very noisy indeed
although I think it can only be the result of the `pusher` configuration as
Jabi`s in normal tractor config are super quiet.
I would like to run the exhausts so that it is
expelled outside the diameter of the prop to see if that makes it quieter.
Unfortunately it would be pretty expensive to get a one off system made and
there would be a weight penalty.We do not have your freedom to experiment and a
change like that would need permission for a modification from the Light
Aircraft Assoc.
Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise
problem, and a solution, I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise
from a 912 and a Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would probably be valid
Cheers
Pat
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Any guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
Rob:
You might have something there. What model Kolb is it?
Some folks are chasing low fuel burn, some stealth Kolbs, and the rest of us
are trying to squeeze all the HP we can out of those little noisy props and
engines, to have a blast.
Nice thing about building and flying Kolbs, you can build and fly'em like
you want to.
Thank goodness we don't have to comply with all the noise, and other
restrictions, our overseas friends have to. That would take a lot of fun
out of our sport, here in the States.
john h
mkIII
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Very interested in this project... we need to cut noise, its just a matter
of time until conplaints are filed and we are make to quieten our Kolbs.
----- Original Message -----
From: "robcannon" <leecannon@telus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Quiet Kolb
>
> I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be is yet
> to be seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently
> meets strict European noise standard) whatever that means, and a four
> blade 65" powerfin prop.........should be running in a week or so. Any
> guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189936#189936
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust system.>>
Hi,
I had something on those lines in mind. Did it accomplish anything?
Pat
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. HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently meets strict European
noise standard) whatever that means, >>
Hi Rob,
HKS is reputedly a pretty quiet engine.
My exhaust are swept forward and point at the sky.
European Standards vary from country to country at the moment we are heading
for more integration. Germany I think has the most stringent noise levels if
you can get down to those levels beware taxying. You can knock over a
pedestrian without him hearing you coming
Pat. .
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
As a former Jab-powered Titan driver, both the four and the six, and
now in a tractor, I can vouch for what you say. Pushers are
inherently noisy because the propeller is chopping disturbed air from
over the wings. With a 2-blade, both blades are chopping at the same
time, kinda doubling the noise produced, hence the advantage of a 3-
blade is that only one blade is chopping the air. Another lesson
learned is that shorter props, and hence less tip speed, are
quieter. I was swinging 58 inch props which were much quieter than
friends who put on 62 inch props. Warp drive props, I have since
learned, are presumably okay for the Jabs, and hence a 3-blade setup
is possible.
Jerry
On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:36 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
> What prop are you using with your Jab and how many blades?>>
>
> Hi Jerry,
> prop is 2 blade, wooden GT/157. 157 cms dia X 98cms pitch.
>
> The dealer reports better performance with the Prince `P` tip.
>
> I have found the combination very noisy indeed although I think it
> can only be the result of the `pusher` configuration as Jabi`s in
> normal tractor config are super quiet.
>
> I would like to run the exhausts so that it is expelled outside the
> diameter of the prop to see if that makes it quieter. Unfortunately
> it would be pretty expensive to get a one off system made and there
> would be a weight penalty.We do not have your freedom to experiment
> and a change like that would need permission for a modification
> from the Light Aircraft Assoc.
>
> Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a
> solution, I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise
> from a 912 and a Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would
> probably be valid
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Oh, yeah, Pat, another claimed way to reduce noise was to install a
prop extension, pushing the prop back one to three inches.
Jerry
On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:09 AM, gary aman wrote:
> Pat,
> Noise is a problem.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust
> system.Also requires sealing the fuselage tube to keep exhaust from
> coming up the tube.
>
>
> Incidentally if anyone on the list has a noise problem, and a
> solution, I would be pleased to hear about it. The ordinary noise
> from a 912 and a Jabi are pretty similar so any comments would
> probably be valid
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
> <CIMG1758.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
We aren't flying Cessna Citations or Lear Jets. Some of us are flying
them out of cow pastures. They are noisy as Hell and I don't know that
anyone has built a quiet one yet.>>
Hi John,
I fly from a cow pasture too, but we just do not have the room that you
do in the States. You can`t start an engine here without annoying
somebody and unless you get the plane noise certificated you will not
fly. I am noise legal but it is still noisy. The guy who owns the
strip is very twitchy as there is a movement in the local village to
close it. In spite of the fact that it has been there more than 30
years. The trouble is a complaint to the local Council is almost always
carried through in spite of the hundreds in the area who do NOT
complain. Consequently we never do circuits or fly close to the strip.
Take off and fly away is the rule.
<< I think the problem is the engine and prop are on the wrong end.
When I am at Lakeland and OSH, I am always amazed at how quiet the
tractors are, powered with the same prop and engine I have.>>
Ithink you are right. A Jabiru flew into my strip a couple of days ago
and it was like a sewing machine.Almost noiselss at 300 feet.
<<Get a good ANR headset,>>
Tried to get a ANR retrofit for my headphones. Would you believe that
the series I have are the only ones in the manufacturers range which
cannot be converted . In any case I am not particularly bothered, its
other people. This week from 1500 ft I broke up an open air Shakespeare
play rehearsal.. I have been threatened with sudden death if I pull the
same stunt on a performance night..
learn how to fly your airplane, and enjoy the Hell out of it.>> I am
learning and I am really enjoying it
<< Hope to beat the thunderstorms by getting out of here early in the
morning,>>
We have the hell of a thunderstorm going on at the moment. Rain is
sheeting down and its the first night of the Outdoor Shakespeare
performance. Wendy is in it and will NOT be pleased..
Two weeks until John Bickham's Nauga Field Flyin at Star Hill, LA.
Everyone is invited. Prefer flying in, but if you can't fly, hitch a
ride and get there the best way you can.>>
Definitely will not be making it to the States this year Say `Hello` to
all those I met at MV last year.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pushers are
inherently noisy because the propeller is chopping disturbed air from
over the wings.>>
Hi Jerry,
that is about the conclusion I have come to. Messing with props is again
not a simple operation here.
Cheers
Pat
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A few years ago I had a muffler on my Redrive VW. When I took it off to find
out if I would get more power without it I also found that it made no more
noise than It did with the muffler on. At least in side the cockpit it is no
more noisy. I have never heard the noise from out side but I'm told that my
straight pipe VW sounds considerably better on a over flight (I don't know
if it is more quiet or just lower pitch) than a muffled Rotax.
My first engine mount used the stock Kolb mount which allowed my redrive VW
to move around quite a bit and was fairly quiet inside the cockpit. One day
I even took my head sets off to see if I could fly without them.......I put
them right back on. When I switched to the new lower custom engine mount the
inside noise increased quite a bit. I currently fly with MP3 player
headphones stuck in my ears under my noise canceling aviation headphones.
I have tried stopping the noise with noise reducing foam in the gap seal and
behind the cockpit with little benefit.
I think the biggest noise source is the prop and engine vibrations. Select a
prop with the lowest tip speed and use the softest vibration dampers (engine
Mounts) you can get hold of. Stock Kolb vibration dampers are pretty good
too bad I can't use them. Of course shorter props will produce less thrust
and too soft a engine mount may allow the engine to twist out of alignment
(not a good thing).
My $.02 worth.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "robcannon" <leecannon@telus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Quiet Kolb
>
> I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be is yet
> to be seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust (apparently
> meets strict European noise standard) whatever that means, and a four
> blade 65" powerfin prop.........should be running in a week or so. Any
> guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189936#189936
>
>
>
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The airstrip I live at has serious noise rules. The owners have basically said
"no ultralights". If I annoy the neighbors, I'm out. So.........I am hoping
this combo will be quiet. (Kolb Twinstar / hks )
- as a matter of general interest, the twinstar with the hks, custom fuel tanks,
twin facets, gascolator(it all adds up) minimal fairings, weighs 460 lbs.
With a gross weight of 750, it's a one and a half person plane.
And probably better as a single seater.
cheers, Rob
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In re noise -- I think everyone would like to have a quieter plane,
whether it affects their flying permissions or not.
I recall the Lockheed 'quiet plane' they developed for Vietnam use.
It was astonishingly quiet, mainly due to a huge slow-turning
tractor prop on a shaft above the fuselage. Kolbs can't do that; no
help there. But the exhaust was fairly large in diameter and aimed
upward. I read that one Kolb installation had the exhausts aimed up
and FORWARD. I'd think that would produce too much back-pressure, but
if it works?
They've done a lot of things with 'tuned exhausts' on VW dune buggies
-- that might be close enough to have some practicality for kolbs .
Who's got some experience here?
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It may be quiet.... and slow. That 4 blade powerfin is waay too
much prop for the HKS unless
you will be pushing a trike. What kind of Kolb are you putting it on?
If you pitch it for 5000 engine rpm you will be creeping through the
sky unless that model is a turbo.
My one liter suzuki makes about what the 680cc HKS ( published) HP
is at similar engine rpms.
I have run a three blade 65" powerfin on it and got reasonable
performance but not as long-legged as
my 2 blade 70" WarpDrive.
BB, MKIII
Scottsville, NY
On 26, Jun 2008, at 2:05 PM, robcannon wrote:
>
> I am making a quiet Kolb [Shocked] , I hope ! How quiet it will be
> is yet to be seen (Heard). HKS with stock upward pointed exhaust
> (apparently meets strict European noise standard) whatever that
> means, and a four blade 65" powerfin prop.........should be running
> in a week or so. Any guesses on how quiet it will be? Rob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189936#189936
>
>
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sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
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A good thing about the 4-blade setup is they are likely to be shorter
with less tip speed, thereby reducing noise. Howsomever, if there is
any truth to the idea that two blades cutting across the wing air at
the same time are noiser, then using only three of the four might be
quieter still--save the 4th for a backup replacement. Also, will 4-
blades interfere with wing folding?
Jerry
>
> It may be quiet.... and slow. That 4 blade powerfin is waay too
> much prop for the HKS unless
> you will be pushing a trike. What kind of Kolb are you putting it on?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar |
Pat,
Would you prefer the truth or do you want me to tell you how much it helped?I
lined the entire cabin and over head center cover with 1/2" denso foam sound control
foam.Doesn't weigh much and now I can actually use the intercom at 2700
rpm,but not at full throttle.It's not the engine,it's the prop.It sounds so good
at 1800 I wish it would fly at that rpm.I really thought that a geared engine
would get the prop noise down to a tolerable level,but I can't address that.I
think Mr. Pike has made some cabin mods that may be more productive in suppling
cleaner air flow to the prop,which may reduce noise.Like John said,I guess
I'll just have to get OVER it and enjoy the flight!
----- Original Message ----
From: pj.ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:37:09 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Adding a passenger to the Twinstar
.Here is a picture of my home made exhaust
system.>>
Hi,
I had something on those lines in mind. Did
it accomplish anything?
Pat
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So you figure on turning the prop about 1800.
I was turning my three blade 65" powerfin about 2100. They have a
broad thrust producing
chord so it might work for you at the lower RPM. Keep us posted.
BB
On 26, Jun 2008, at 5:53 PM, robcannon wrote:
>
> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189970#189970
>
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robcannon
> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
Did you guys know that if you make a mistake that it can be corrected after the
post is submitted with the "edit" button to the right. It will go back into your
post and you can make the correction without having to make a new post.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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I don't see an "edit button", never have
What am I missing?
do not archive
On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
> robcannon
>> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
>
>
> Did you guys know that if you make a mistake that it can be
> corrected after the post is submitted with the "edit" button to the
> right. It will go back into your post and you can make the
> correction without having to make a new post.
>
> Ralph
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar 447
> N91493 E-AB
> 21 years flying it
> Kolbra 912UL
> N20386
> 0 years flying it
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190001#190001
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. |
Mike,
Just a note of caution.
I considered spades 6 years ago for my Mark III, even started fabrication.
When seeking opinions about spades on the Kolb wing I was advised to take it
easy if I did install them. Aileron deflection puts additional load on the
TE of the wing. I was told that the standard configuration can withstand
about all the force you can put on the stick, but with "power steering" it
may be possible to overstress the wing and fail the ribs near the trailing
edge.
I did not proceed any further.
Steven Green
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it's not in the email version.
BB
On 26, Jun 2008, at 9:30 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>
> I don't see an "edit button", never have
> What am I missing?
> do not archive
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>
>>
>> robcannon
>>> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
>>
>>
>> Did you guys know that if you make a mistake that it can be
>> corrected after the post is submitted with the "edit" button to
>> the right. It will go back into your post and you can make the
>> correction without having to make a new post.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> --------
>> Ralph B
>> Original Firestar 447
>> N91493 E-AB
>> 21 years flying it
>> Kolbra 912UL
>> N20386
>> 0 years flying it
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190001#190001
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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BB Thanx for educating a cyberdunce!
do not archive
On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:08 PM, robert bean wrote:
>
> it's not in the email version.
> BB
>
> On 26, Jun 2008, at 9:30 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't see an "edit button", never have
>> What am I missing?
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Ralph B wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> robcannon
>>>> sorry - forgot to mention 3:47 gearbox
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you guys know that if you make a mistake that it can be
>>> corrected after the post is submitted with the "edit" button to
>>> the right. It will go back into your post and you can make the
>>> correction without having to make a new post.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Ralph B
>>> Original Firestar 447
>>> N91493 E-AB
>>> 21 years flying it
>>> Kolbra 912UL
>>> N20386
>>> 0 years flying it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190001#190001
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Spades, Lighten Stick Forces and Improve Roll Rates. |
Steven Green wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Just a note of caution.
>
> I considered spades 6 years ago for my Mark III, even started fabrication.
> When seeking opinions about spades on the Kolb wing I was advised to take it
> easy if I did install them. Aileron deflection puts additional load on the
> TE of the wing. I was told that the standard configuration can withstand
> about all the force you can put on the stick, but with "power steering" it
> may be possible to overstress the wing and fail the ribs near the trailing
> edge.
>
> I did not proceed any further.
>
> Steven Green
I thought about spades for my FS II also. It didn't have the strongest aileron
response either, tho it had the lightest controls of any airplane I've ever flown.
I too was advised about the additional loads that could have been imposed on the
wing and ailerons themselves if the spades had been added. So I never did actually
tr it.
My titan has spades on the ailerons but the wing, aileron and attach hinges are
noticeably significantly thicker, stronger and etc. The airfoil is different
as well so it's just got loads of aileron and can handle spades.
The kolb wings still strike me as pretty strong, but probably still getting close
to a limit with the extra deflection.
I resolved the issue by not flying my FS II in bad weather and just letting the
brave guys call me names.... It was more fun to fly in smooth morning or evening
conditions anyway.
In fact that's still how I fly and I still get called names ;).....
LS
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LS
FS II
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I like my Kolb loud...let's me know she's running. It's when she gets quiet that
gets me a little anxious. Haven't heard any noise complaints here (yet anyways).
Guess the prisoners and guards right next to the airport have gotten used
to it (who ever had the "brilliant" idea of building a prison right next to
an airport I'll never know).
Was a beautiful evening for flying. Got down just before sunset. Change of gear
box oil seemed to do it some good. Whoever changed it last had filled it up
too much.
--------
Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC |
I just sold my FS II to a gentleman from New Mexico who could not pass his medical.
I decided to purchase a 1946 Aeronca Champ. This is probably my last post
before signing off on this list. I wanted to thank everyone who helped me with
various problems on my Kolb. This is really a great resource. I also think often
about our friend John Williamson who was such an inspiration to so many including
myself. Thanks again for all your help!
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| Subject: | Re: Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC |
You will like the Aeronca. I put about 60hrs in one before the MK111. Very
nice to fly not a lot different than the Kolb. Floots a bit more when
landing into good wind .
Tony
Do not arcive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John H Murphy" <mailjohnmurphy@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Sold my Kolb Firestar II- purchased a Aeronca Champ 7AC
> <mailjohnmurphy@gmail.com>
>
> I just sold my FS II to a gentleman from New Mexico who could not pass his
> medical. I decided to purchase a 1946 Aeronca Champ. This is probably my
> last post before signing off on this list. I wanted to thank everyone who
> helped me with various problems on my Kolb. This is really a great
> resource. I also think often about our friend John Williamson who was such
> an inspiration to so many including myself. Thanks again for all your
> help!
>
>
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