---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/02/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:22 AM - Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws (pj.ladd) 2. 06:14 AM - Re: Unbelievable Aviation Laws (Russ Kinne) 3. 07:59 AM - Update on my flying lessons. (grantr) 4. 08:18 AM - Re: Update on my flying lessons. (Russ Kinne) 5. 10:00 AM - Re: Update on my flying lessons. (grantr) 6. 05:16 PM - Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia (grantr) 7. 09:50 PM - Re: Update on my flying lessons. (Dwight) 8. 10:54 PM - Re: Coast Guard Intercept (R. Hankins) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:16 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unbelievable Aviation Laws << There was a serious proposal from the RFC that Stonehenge (all of 20ft high) be removed as a danger to flying. Cheers, Pat >> Hi, Pat - Glad to hear that we are not the only country with aviation-ignorant bureaucrats making the laws.>> Hi, although bureaucrats are usually responsible for a SNAFU in this case it was the RFC, the Royal Flying Corps who made the request. The RFC`s No 1 Training Wing was close by and I suppose there were tyros struggling around the area at nought feet. Engines were notoriously unreliable and although the pilots must have found hitting a tree or a hedge an acceptable risk, smacking into a few tons of stone could make your eyes water. In general it was a great place for flying training. Miles of open rolling downland. There are still a few airfields in the area, and quite a lot of it is used for military training including air attacks.. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:38 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unbelievable Aviation Laws How high is the ROC tower? I assumed that towers over 1000' HAD to have blinking strobes. Not so? Doesn't make much sense to exempt 'grandfathers'. Just as hard an impact. We had a student one night that was too scared to follow the 4 "C "s -- Climb, Communicate, Confess and Comply (I hope they still teach that) -- and hit a 1-1/4"alum. power cable with a Taylorcraft! Cut the cable, kept flying, and he landed at an airport. Blacked out 11,000 homes, not much damage to the T'craft. Props are amazingly strong. I hate to think of a Kolb hitting even a guy-wire; but you could have a BRS that could hopefully save your life, even at a low altitude. RK do not archive On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:00 PM, robert bean wrote: > I remember Clover Field (Santa Monica) final approach was below > some of the rooftops. > Kinda entertaining at the time as I was in a long procession. > ROC near me has a very tall radio tower (WHAM) quite near the > airport. > It was built long enough ago that it sports only red blinking > lights, grandfather privileges. > BB > do not archive > On 1, Jul 2008, at 8:27 PM, Russ Kinne wrote: > >> Dennis >> this must be one of the VERY few times when heavy iron deviates >> from a normal final approach because of man-made obstructions. I >> suspect the Air Force's PR people had a hand in it. >> (But wasn't anybody watching during the construction? There are >> "avigation rights" that even civilians can use to prevent the >> erection of hazards to flight at a nearby airport) I've seen this >> happen. >> And I'm sure that even tho a Kolb, and cooperative pilot, would >> be willing to deviate and not fly directly over a prison, heavier >> stuff like King Airs & Aerostars, and BIGGER, would probably fly a >> straight-in approach. >> Who else has had a drink at the Coronado Hotel in San Diego, >> where you can look DOWN on transport aircraft on final? Been >> going on for many years without fuss or danger. >> do not archive >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL wrote: >> >>> AL" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> << There was a serious proposal from the RFC that Stonehenge (all of >>> 20ft high) be removed as a danger to flying. Cheers, Pat >> >>> >>> Hi, Pat - >>> >>> Glad to hear that we are not the only country with aviation-ignorant >>> bureaucrats making the laws. >>> Here in the USA, an opposite sort of situation occurred, although >>> equally ridiculous. >>> >>> In Biloxi, Mississippi, a 20-story casino/hotel went up almost >>> overnight, and in a spot that was DIRECTLY along the final >>> approach path >>> to the main runway for Keesler Air Force Base, and within a half >>> mile. >>> Local political greed being what it is, this was done without any >>> communication or coordination with the US Air Force, who would have >>> protested vehemently about the proximity of such a high-rise on >>> short >>> final to the runway. >>> >>> Following unsuccessful attempts to have the hotel moved, the Air >>> Force >>> finally gave up. Now, the official published procedure for >>> landing at >>> Keesler on that runway is to approach at an angle 20-degrees off >>> runway >>> centerline, then align with runway heading when you cross over the >>> numbers. Although this would be easy in a Kolb (gotta keep this >>> thread >>> Kolb-related) or any other general aviation aircraft, it is an >>> especially unsettling maneuver for the KC-135 tankers that >>> primarily use >>> that base. >>> >>> Dennis Kirby >>> Mark-3, 912ul, in >>> Cedar Crest, New Mexico >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - The Kolb-List Email Forum - >>> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> --> http://forums.matronics.com >>> - List Contribution Web Site - >>> Thank you for your generous support! >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// >> www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Update on my flying lessons. From: "grantr" I took my Sport Pilot Written test last Thursday and made a 93% on it. So thats out of the way! I didn't do as good as Crystal on her Private exam. [Wink] It looks like I have about 2 more lessons before the Check ride. I have to solo and then get 2 hours instruction with another SP instructor so he can sign me off to take the check ride with my instructor which also happens to be the examiner. I look forward to getting the SP license and bringing my plane home. I am tired of driving 4 hrs round trip to fly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190893#190893 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:23 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Update on my flying lessons. Grant, congratulations on your 93%!! -- that's-pretty great. What are your flying ? and where? do not archive On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:56 AM, grantr wrote: > > > I took my Sport Pilot Written test last Thursday and made a 93% on > it. So thats out of the way! I didn't do as good as Crystal on her > Private exam. [Wink] It looks like I have about 2 more lessons > before the Check ride. I have to solo and then get 2 hours > instruction with another SP instructor so he can sign me off to > take the check ride with my instructor which also happens to be the > examiner. > > I look forward to getting the SP license and bringing my plane > home. I am tired of driving 4 hrs round trip to fly! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190893#190893 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Update on my flying lessons. From: "grantr" Kolb mkIII in quitman,GA moving to Americus GA once my training is over. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190918#190918 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia From: "grantr" http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/6799/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190970#190970 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Update on my flying lessons. From: "Dwight" congrats Grant. You'll be flyin solo in no time Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191011#191011 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Coast Guard Intercept From: "R. Hankins" Cool pictures. Don't tell me Dave was getting paid for all of this. That would almost be too much to take. At least my tax money was going to a good use for once. I'm not jealous.... No really.... Do not archive -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191017#191017 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.