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1. 04:06 AM - Re: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia (Thom Riddle)
2. 07:34 AM - Battery Life (Jack B. Hart)
3. 08:13 AM - Gyrocopter intercept (cristalclear13)
4. 09:52 AM - Re: Gyrocopter intercept (planecrazzzy)
5. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Gyrocopter intercept (Robert Laird)
6. 10:24 AM - density altitude (boyd)
7. 11:50 AM - Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan (John Hauck)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: Gyrocopter intercept (cristalclear13)
9. 01:55 PM - Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan (beauford T)
10. 02:10 PM - Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan (robert bean)
11. 02:19 PM - Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan (Eugene Zimmerman)
12. 02:42 PM - Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan (Robert Laird)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Gyrocopter intercept (gliderx5@comcast.net)
14. 03:44 PM - Re: Gyrocopter intercept (cristalclear13)
15. 04:00 PM - Re: Gyrocopter intercept (planecrazzzy)
16. 04:01 PM - Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan (chris davis)
17. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Gyrocopter intercept (gliderx5@comcast.net)
18. 05:53 PM - Re: Gyrocopter intercept (JetPilot)
19. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Gyrocopter intercept (gary aman)
20. 08:24 PM - Re: Re: Gyrocopter intercept (gliderx5@comcast.net)
21. 08:47 PM - Re: Re: Gyrocopter intercept (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Fatal Ultralight crash in North Georgia |
Not Kolb Related but since it is so slow....
Pat,
I believe you are correct. Anyone remember the "journalist" Stephen Glass that
was caught completely fabricating over 1/2 of his reporting stories when he was
a writer at The New Republic, the one in-flight magazine on Air Force One? After
he was found out and fired he eventually wrote a novel called "The Fabulist"
about a writer fabricating journalist stories. I suppose he should have tried
fiction from the beginning but he probably would not have attained fame without
his infamous tour in fantasy journalism. Are all "journalists" frustrated
novelists?
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Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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Kolbers,
No July fourth flyby this year. A couple months ago I had trouble getting
the engine started after the FireFly had set in the hangar for a couple of
weeks. I put a trickle charger on the battery to bet the engine started.
When I got home I ordered a new ultrastart-red battery. To keep flying I
connected the trickle charger to the battery to keep it topped off while it
was in the hangar. The battery was back ordered and it came two days ago.
I did not bother to install it as I had been having not trouble with
starting the engine. But yesterday, the battery died, and so I did not get
to make my flyby.
I checked out my log. The battery started the engine for 467 flights over a
period of six years and two months. At current battery cost, it figures out
to 21 cents per flight to keep from pulling a rope or hand propping.
My daughter and son-in-law hosted about 40 relatives over the fourth. The
kids were a little disappointed, but I told them we can try again next year.
We had a great time. I hope your fourth was as much fun.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Gyrocopter intercept |
I was intercepted today by AF gyro. :)
just kidding
Gyrocopter flew with me to Alma today on my first cross country in my Kolb Mark
II Twinstar.
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Just curious.... Could he "keep up" or did you have to back off the throttle?
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
That's looks like a Sparrowhawk, and they normally cruise in the 65-70mph range.
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM, planecrazzzy <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Just curious.... Could he "keep up" or did you have to back off the throttle?
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| Subject: | density altitude |
Flying from Brigham City at over 4000 ft elevation and hot as blazes out
side made me think of a formula to figure Density altitude easily.
years ago I found an article that had a formula to help figure Density
Altitude. " DA= E+(66*(T-(59-(E*0.0054))))"
where:
* = Multiply
DA = Density Altitude
E = elevation in feet
T = Temp in deg F
0.0054 = laps rate per ft(or 5.4 Deg / 1000 ft)
A faa article on DA stated 3.6 deg Per 1000 ft. instead of 5.4 DEG F /
1000 I guess I don't know why the difference in the 2 articles.. unless
the laps rate changes with humidity levels. using 5.4 in place of 3.6 would
allow for greater safety margins.
anyway I did some math skills on the formula and came out with something
that is not as plain to understand, maybe. but is a lot easier to
accomplish with a very simple calculator. the results seem to be the same.
DA= E*.0054 - 59 + T * 66 + E
boyd young
Boyd Young
Kolb MkIII C 525+ hours and counting
Brigham City Utah.
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| Subject: | Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
Farewell, Grey Baron!
I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
john h
mkIII
hauck's holler, alabama
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away
> yesterday, July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His
> death was peaceful and without pain.
> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held in
> several weeks.
> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
> Condolences can be sent to:
> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
> 1316 Darlington Drive
> Winchester, Va 22603
>
> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next several
> days.
>
> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response to
> me directly at:
> snrosenbaum@earthlink.net
>
> Thank you,
> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>
> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Just curious.... Could he "keep up" or did you have to back off the throttle?
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> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Mike, My climb rate is MUCH faster, but as far as cruising he can keep up or even
pass me. On the way there I was cruising at 65 but on the way back I cruised
at 60 to save on gas.
It is a RAF 2000 gyrocopter.
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Mark II Twinstar
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
..we all were, John... He was a class act ...
beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Farewell, Grey Baron!
I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>
> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
He was a good, caring and thoughtful man.
BB
On 5, Jul 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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> Farewell, Grey Baron!
>
> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>
>
>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away
>> yesterday, July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His
>> death was peaceful and without pain.
>> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held
>> in several weeks.
>> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
>> Condolences can be sent to:
>> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
>> 1316 Darlington Drive
>> Winchester, Va 22603
>> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next
>> several days.
>> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response
>> to me directly at:
>> snrosenbaum@earthlink.net
>> Thank you,
>> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
>> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
>> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
Condolences to the Noyer family.
I will always remember Bob as a very generous, friendly man, and
always with a gift of good humor.
Gene Z
On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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> Farewell, Grey Baron!
>
> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> hauck's holler, alabama
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>
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>
>
>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away
>> yesterday, July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His
>> death was peaceful and without pain.
>> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held
>> in several weeks.
>> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
>> Condolences can be sent to:
>> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
>> 1316 Darlington Drive
>> Winchester, Va 22603
>> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next
>> several days.
>> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response
>> to me directly at:
>> snrosenbaum@earthlink.net
>> Thank you,
>> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
>> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
>> anyone else you think might appreciate this information.
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
I had the joy of exchanging several emails with Bob over the years
and, with them, several stories of our respective aviation adventures.
He was a gifted story-teller and I will miss hearing new stories.
His body may be gone, but his spirit will be with us forever.
-- Robert
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
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> He was a good, caring and thoughtful man.
> BB
>
> On 5, Jul 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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>>
>> Farewell, Grey Baron!
>>
>> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> hauck's holler, alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM
>> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>>
>>
>>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob passed away yesterday,
>>> July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virginia. His death was peaceful
>>> and without pain.
>>> No viewing or funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held in
>>> several weeks.
>>> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Valley.
>>> Condolences can be sent to:
>>> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)
>>> 1316 Darlington Drive
>>> Winchester, Va 22603
>>> An obituary will be posted in the Winchester Star in the next several
>>> days.
>>> If you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response to me
>>> directly at:
>>> snrosenbaum@earthlink.net
>>> Thank you,
>>> Susan Rosenbaum, third daughter
>>> writing from of the home computer of Bob Noyer
>>> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to anyone
>>> else you think might appreciate this information.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS at
5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound like
what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn looks
to be 3 gph.
--
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
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From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
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>
> planecrazzzy wrote:
> > Just curious.... Could he "keep up" or did you have to back off the throttle?
> > .
> > .
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> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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> > .
> > .
>
>
> Mike, My climb rate is MUCH faster, but as far as cruising he can keep up or
> even pass me. On the way there I was cruising at 65 but on the way back I
> cruised at 60 to save on gas.
> It is a RAF 2000 gyrocopter.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191327#191327
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
gliderx5 wrote:
> I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS
at 5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound like
what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn looks
to be 3 gph.
>
> --
> Malcolm Morrison
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
> Schleicher ASW-15
> Pietenpol Air Camper
> Kolb MKII
>
>
Malcolm, On the way there my rpm was showing 6000 and I was cruising at 65mph on
my ASI (and the GPS registered anywhere from 47 to 65).
On the way back my rpm was around 5700-5800 and I was cruising at 60mph on my ASI.
I have a 66inch wood prop. At the rate I was going I burned approximately
4 GPH.
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Cruise speed for me, was increased ALOT by changing my 3 blade IVO
to a 2 blade ( I bought the "Blocks" from IVO )
My cruise used to be around 60.... I'm 70 plus now
The other day I was a little high on the throttle RPM's .... I looked at my Airspeed...
I was doing 80 !!!
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN.
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PS Climb out is a little less........ "I'LL TAKE IT "
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan |
He was a GOOD MAN and he managed to fly almost to the end , may he fly on w
ith a fair wind and a smile on his face- . Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origina
l Message ----=0AFrom: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@
matronics.com; snrosenbaum@earthlink.net=0ASent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 5:4
0:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Bob Noyer - from his daughter Susan
>=0A=0AI had the joy of exchanging several emails with Bob over the years
=0Aand, with them, several stories of our respective aviation adventures.
=0AHe was a gifted story-teller and I will miss hearing new stories.=0AHis
body may be gone, but his spirit will be with us forever.=0A=0A- -- Rober
t=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, robert bean <slyck@frontiernet.ne
et.net>=0A>=0A> He was a good, caring and thoughtful man.=0A> BB=0A>=0A> On
5, Jul 2008, at 2:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:=0A>=0A>> --> Kolb-List message
posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>=0A>>=0A>> Farewell, Grey Bar
on!=0A>>=0A>> I was fortunate to have crossed paths with you.=0A>>=0A>> joh
n h=0A>> mkIII=0A>> hauck's holler, alabama=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> Sent:
Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:39 PM=0A>> Subject: Bob Noyer - from his daughter
Susan=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>> It is with great sorrow that I tell you that Bob pas
sed away- yesterday,=0A>>> July 4th, at a hospital in Harrisonburg, Virgi
nia. His- death was peaceful=0A>>> and without pain.=0A>>> No viewing or
funeral will be held. A memorial service may be held in=0A>>>- several we
eks.=0A>>> It was his wish that his ashes be flown over the Shenandoah Vall
ey.=0A>>> Condolences can be sent to:=0A>>> Mrs. Robert O. Noyer (Jo)=0A>>>
1316 Darlington Drive=0A>>> Winchester, Va 22603=0A>>> An obituary will be
posted in the Winchester Star in the next several=0A>>>- days.=0A>>> If
you wish to follow-up on this email please address a response to- me=0A>>
> directly at:=0A>>> snrosenbaum@earthlink.net=0A>>> Thank you,=0A>>> Susan
Rosenbaum, third daughter=0A>>> writing from of the home computer of Bob N
oyer=0A>>> The family would appreciate it if this emailed was forwarded to
- anyone=0A>>> else you think might appreciate this information.=0A>>=0A>
>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AWhy did the chick
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Maybe I should try more prop pitch. My CHTs are 300 but my EGTs peak at 1200 (1100
at full power climb). I have home made streamlined struts, but no other
"speed" mode. I don't have a VSI, but I will do some timed climbs to see what
type of performance I'm getting. What are you seeing for climb rate? If I could
get the cruise up to 55 that would be huge!
--
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
>
>
> gliderx5 wrote:
> > I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS
> at 5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound
> like what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn
> looks to be 3 gph.
> >
> > --
> > Malcolm Morrison
> > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
> > Schleicher ASW-15
> > Pietenpol Air Camper
> > Kolb MKII
> >
> >
>
>
> Malcolm, On the way there my rpm was showing 6000 and I was cruising at 65mph
on
> my ASI (and the GPS registered anywhere from 47 to 65).
> On the way back my rpm was around 5700-5800 and I was cruising at 60mph on my
> ASI. I have a 66inch wood prop. At the rate I was going I burned approximately
> 4 GPH.
>
> --------
> Cristal Waters
> Mark II Twinstar
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191355#191355
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Try increasing your pitch, it does not take long, and you can always put it back
if you dont like it.
I decreased the pitch on my 912-s a couple weeks ago to get full RPM on takeoff
and climb out.... It got me a couple more hundred FPM in climb, but cruise
sucked, I had to run a bunch more power just to get the same cruise I did before.
I put the pitch back for 5200 RPM on climb out, it restored my cruise speed
with lower power settings.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Gyrocopter intercept |
Might be helpful to know the top RPM on climb out.
----- Original Message ----
From: "gliderx5@comcast.net" <gliderx5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 7:48:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gyrocopter intercept
Maybe I should try more prop pitch. My CHTs are 300 but my EGTs peak at 1200 (1100
at full power climb). I have home made streamlined struts, but no other
"speed" mode. I don't have a VSI, but I will do some timed climbs to see what
type of performance I'm getting. What are you seeing for climb rate? If I could
get the cruise up to 55 that would be huge!
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Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
Schleicher ASW-15
Pietenpol Air Camper
Kolb MKII
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From: "cristalclear13" <cristalclearwaters@juno.com>
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> gliderx5 wrote:
> > I just flew my 503 powered MKII and I only cruise at about 45 mph on the GPS
> at 5200 rpm. At 6200 I can get 60 mph but no faster. Do these numbers sound
> like what others are seeing? I have a 3 blade IVO prop. Average fuel burn
> looks to be 3 gph.
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> > Malcolm Morrison
> > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123
> > Schleicher ASW-15
> > Pietenpol Air Camper
> > Kolb MKII
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> Malcolm, On the way there my rpm was showing 6000 and I was cruising at 65mph
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> my ASI (and the GPS registered anywhere from 47 to 65).
> On the way back my rpm was around 5700-5800 and I was cruising at 60mph on my
> ASI. I have a 66inch wood prop. At the rate I was going I burned approximately
> 4 GPH.
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> Mark II Twinstar
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=191355#191355
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From: <gliderx5@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gyrocopter intercept
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> Maybe I should try more prop pitch. My CHTs are 300 but my EGTs peak at
> 1200 (1100 at full power climb). I have home made streamlined struts, but
> no other "speed" mode. I don't have a VSI, but I will do some timed
> climbs to see what type of performance I'm getting. What are you seeing
> for climb rate? If I could get the cruise up to 55 that would be huge!
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Sounds as though you might be a bit lean on your midrange. You might try to
raise your jet needle one notch.
Larry C
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