---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/10/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Re: Prison airspace (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: Re: Prison airspace (Dana Hague) 3. 05:34 AM - web site (Ted Cowan) 4. 06:37 AM - Tail wheel strut (TK) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: web site (robert bean) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: Sport Pilot article (TK) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Sport Pilot article (Jack B. Hart) 8. 09:22 AM - Re: Sport Pilot article (TK) 9. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: fuel prices (pj.ladd) 10. 03:08 PM - Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (John Hauck) 11. 05:14 PM - Re: Sport Pilot article (possums) 12. 06:12 PM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 () 13. 07:15 PM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (John Hauck) 14. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (Dennis Souder) 15. 09:25 PM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (JetPilot) 16. 09:31 PM - Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff (JetPilot) 17. 09:34 PM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Prison airspace From: "Thom Riddle" My home airport (KBQR) is about 16 miles NW of the infamous Attica State Prison. Since all of my flights originate either eastbound or southbound (Canada to the west, and Lake Ontario to the north), many of them put me over or near Attica prison. Just to be on the safe side, I fly either high or wide (out of shotgun range) in case the guards mistake me for a clay pigeon or Canadian goose. do not archive -------- Thom Riddle N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192092#192092 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:47 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Prison airspace At 07:19 AM 7/10/2008, Thom Riddle wrote: >...Just to be on the safe side, I fly either high or wide (out of shotgun >range) in case the guards mistake me... I'm not far from Sing Sing prison on the Hudson River. No flight issues, the prison isn't even marked on the aero charts, but if you get too close in a boat the guards will fire warning shots across your bow. It's kind of a rite of passage for the young bucks in the local sailing clubs to sail up there and get fired on. I suspect the guards know this as well. -Dana do not archive -- I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:07 AM PST US From: "Ted Cowan" Subject: Kolb-List: web site Just for information to many. I purchased a 912 from the Kolb Factory and had it shipped to save taxes. Well, Alabama found out about it from Kentucky and stuck me with the taxes anyway. Grant you, its 4% for Alabama and 6% for Kentucky, it still surprised me and I have a whoping $896 tax bill to pay immediately. They added just about $200 in penalties and interest. So, if you had something shipped from Kentucky, you had better check directly with your state authorities about out of state purchases so you dont have a surprise as I did. If anyone visits my web site: www.southernflyers.homestead.com you will find it is no longer there. I have changed the venue to mainly our airport activities and RC flying club and it is now at: www.flyingcs.homestead.com I will deal with a lot of the same stuff but has more info about our airport. Just for those that want to know. Oh, yeah, probably will put the joke column back in. Ted Cowan, Alabama ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:08 AM PST US From: TK Subject: Kolb-List: Tail wheel strut Steve, Was wondering why you still have the tail wheel strut sticking out of the rear on the new FloatFly? Thinking of converting back in the future? Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:30 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: web site I wonder if you have a friend or relative living a sales tax free state (alaska, delaware, montana, new hampshire, oregon) and had the item shipped to them? For $900 it would be worth a small trip. Small goodies bought on the web still don't get tagged here in NY but they DO stick a voluntary line in the annual income tax forms for those so inclined. BB MkIII, suzuki G10 On 10, Jul 2008, at 8:27 AM, Ted Cowan wrote: > > Just for information to many. I purchased a 912 from the Kolb > Factory and had it shipped to save taxes. Well, Alabama found out > about it from Kentucky and stuck me with the taxes anyway. Grant > you, its 4% for Alabama and 6% for Kentucky, it still surprised me > and I have a whoping $896 tax bill to pay immediately. They added > just about $200 in penalties and interest. So, if you had > something shipped from Kentucky, you had better check directly with > your state authorities about out of state purchases so you dont > have a surprise as I did. > If anyone visits my web site: www.southernflyers.homestead.com > you will find it is no longer there. I have changed the venue to > mainly our airport activities and RC flying club and it is now at: > www.flyingcs.homestead.com I will deal with a lot of the same > stuff but has more info about our airport. Just for those that > want to know. Oh, yeah, probably will put the joke column back > in. Ted Cowan, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:53 AM PST US From: TK Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot article Jack B. Hart wrote: > > Steve, > > I noticed in the leading page photo, that you have four piano hinges per > aileron. This was great to see. My plans called for three, and I am just > about ready to replace the inner hinge pin on the left wing for the second > time at 242 hours. I will add another hinge segment inboard to the left > wing/aileron. > > If your empty weight is 328 pounds, what do you consider to be your gross > weight limit? > > How does the new FireFly empty weight compare to that of the "Puddle > Buster"? > > Good article. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > Jack, Have been mauling over your need to replace the hinge pin on the left side twice in just 242 hr.s. I checked out my hinges after reading that and find no problems with any of them at 870 hr.s. Curious as to what you think the cause is!! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:59 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot article At 09:39 AM 7/10/08 -0400, you wrote: > >Jack, > >Have been mauling over your need to replace the hinge pin on the left >side twice in just 242 hr.s. I checked out my hinges after reading that >and find no problems with any of them at 870 hr.s. > >Curious as to what you think the cause is!! > Terry, There is excessive clearance between the bolt that makes the inner most aileron hinge pin and the hole in the steel rib. I have tried to shim it with no success. This transmits a lot of vibration load to the first piano hinge. I have thought of taking the aileron off and drilling and bushing the hole in the steel end rib, but that is too much effort. The other day riding the mower, I came up with a solution. What I will do is purchase some thin wall brass tubing at the RC model shop, and some valve grinding paste. I will slip the tube over the bolt and place a dab of valve grinding compound on the end and lap out the hole in the steel rib. Then I will cut a short piece of the tubing off and use it as bearing material between the bolt and the hole. Next I will JB Weld the tube to the rib which will let me keep a longer bearing surface length. It should be a permanent fix. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:54 AM PST US From: TK Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot article Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 09:39 AM 7/10/08 -0400, you wrote: > >> >> Jack, >> >> Have been mauling over your need to replace the hinge pin on the left >> side twice in just 242 hr.s. I checked out my hinges after reading that >> and find no problems with any of them at 870 hr.s. >> >> Curious as to what you think the cause is!! >> >> > > > Terry, > > There is excessive clearance between the bolt that makes the inner most > aileron hinge pin and the hole in the steel rib. I have tried to shim it > with no success. This transmits a lot of vibration load to the first piano > hinge. > > I have thought of taking the aileron off and drilling and bushing the hole > in the steel end rib, but that is too much effort. The other day riding the > mower, I came up with a solution. What I will do is purchase some thin wall > brass tubing at the RC model shop, and some valve grinding paste. I will > slip the tube over the bolt and place a dab of valve grinding compound on > the end and lap out the hole in the steel rib. Then I will cut a short > piece of the tubing off and use it as bearing material between the bolt and > the hole. Next I will JB Weld the tube to the rib which will let me keep a > longer bearing surface length. It should be a permanent fix. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > Jack, Sounds like a plan!! Wonder how the hole got to be to large, I assume the right side is OK since you don't have a problem with it. It would be a disaster to weld or braze the tang so close to the fabric!! I've used the RC thin wall tubing in similar situations, should work. Terry - FireFly # 95 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:11 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel prices this fuel price gouging are our own tax people>> Hi Ray, so whats new? Not sure that is the full story though. The story is that there is an oil shortage and that is causing the price rise. This is not so. There is no oil shortage. Speculators on the Stock Exchange are buying Oil stocks on the expectation of a price rise and that makes it more or less self fulfilling as it is in nobodies interest to burst the bubble. The price per barrel is bound to increase in the long run as oil has to be found in more and more difficult places. The Government (yours and mine) is winning hands down as not only are they collecting higher revenue on the fuel but as the extra fuel costs are added to every stage of an articles progress from manufacturer to retail outlet, plus a little profit each time, it eventually appears as an increased sale price in the shop.The higher sale price automatically triggers extra tax revenue. You in your various Sales Tax regimes and ours in VAT. The government has hit the mother lode without the problem of the unpopularity of announcing a tax hike. They stay shtum and collect the money just the same. Nice! They may have overcooked though. Here an increase in fuel tax scheduled for the autumn has been abandoned after a revolt by Members of Parliament and a proposed increase in the annual tax we pay to enable us to put the car on the road may go the same way. Whichever way you slice it the end user gets stuffed.. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 Hi Gang: During our flight West, this year, John W and I spent a day flying some of Idaho's back country US Forest Service airstrips. Here are a couple video clips of landing and departing Soldiers Bar, the roughest and toughest strip we landed and took off on. These are not our clips, but will give you a good idea of the rugged terrain we spent our day flying over. Also, of note, the altitude was from 5 to 10 thousand feet ASL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqPLT1z4c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wcjqFBxnY The clips don't do the strip justice. One way in and one way out. The south end is an extremely steep ramp made up of mogul humps that try to make the aircraft fly way too early. Both John W and I had thoughts of wiping out the landing gear on departure down the drop off. The black rubber strips are in place to help control erosion. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:46 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sport Pilot article At 12:19 PM 7/10/2008, you wrote: > >Jack B. Hart wrote: >> >>At 09:39 AM 7/10/08 -0400, you wrote: >> >>> >>>Jack, >>> >>>Have been mauling over your need to replace the hinge pin on the >>>left side twice in just 242 hr.s. I checked out my hinges after >>>reading that and find no problems with any of them at 870 hr.s. >>> >>>Curious as to what you think the cause is!! I've seen more than one of those hinges next to the engine have problems before. I have four also. I have small cotter pins drilled thru both ends of each hinge so the pin can't "eat" it's way through 750+ hrs. Just squeezing the ends of the hinge doesn't always work (if that's what they still tell you to do). The pin is a lot harder than the hinge material and will push/rotate/grind it's way out, if it can. Especially the ones closest to the engine. Makes the preflight check easier to do with the cotter pins anyway. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:42 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 Anyone going to fly these Idaho back country strips should pick up a copy of the DVD called "Idaho Exposed". This particular strip is on there and does a better job of presenting the terrain. Check out Dewey Moore strip next time. Bob ---- John Hauck wrote: > > Hi Gang: > > During our flight West, this year, John W and I spent a day flying some of > Idaho's back country US Forest Service airstrips. > > Here are a couple video clips of landing and departing Soldiers Bar, the > roughest and toughest strip we landed and took off on. > > These are not our clips, but will give you a good idea of the rugged terrain > we spent our day flying over. Also, of note, the altitude was from 5 to 10 > thousand feet ASL. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqPLT1z4c > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wcjqFBxnY > > The clips don't do the strip justice. One way in and one way out. The > south end is an extremely steep ramp made up of mogul humps that try to make > the aircraft fly way too early. Both John W and I had thoughts of wiping > out the landing gear on departure down the drop off. The black rubber > strips are in place to help control erosion. > > john h > mkIII > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 > Check out Dewey Moore strip next time. > Bob Bob: Have you landed there? john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:49 PM PST US From: "Dennis Souder" Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff Too many years ago, Bill Martin and I departed Kolb, Int. for a trip to Quakertown, PA for an airshow. We took off on a beautiful morning and enjoyed the unobstructed views of the countryside from our UltraStars. After some time, Bill pointed to an airport below and entered the pattern, I followed him down and taxied up to the pumps. I said to Bill "This isn't Quakertown . where are we?" He replied: "don't you know?" I said, "no I don't know - I was following you." He replied: "I was following you!" We then had to ask THE QUESTION: Where are we? Hate to have to ask that question! Dennis _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of beauford T Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: {Spam?} Re: Kolb-List: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff It doesn't just happen to Kolbers, Brother Kinne....one fine summer Sunday morning in 1955 an Eastern Air Lines Martin 404 did that very thing at Bowman Field in Louisville... hazy, milky calm morning... he was talking to Standiford tower 5 miles away, but landed at Bowman... I heard the commotion and looked up when he reversed the props to stop it... I stood there with my skinny lineboy mouth hanging open as he taxiied up... the "company" refused to let him take off again and hop over to Standiford... he had to shut 'er down in front of the old airline terminal and I chocked him... in about 2 hours they sent busses to get 'em all... I am pretty sure he had plenty of compasses, clocks and no tellin' what all in there... it sat there all that day and a crew came to fetch it the next morning. Paperwork...? Do Not archive Beauford FF076 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 From: "JetPilot" That runway looks like a place fit for only a Helicopter... How long was it ? How much of it did you need to get off the ground. In the video, looks like the Cessna had to dive for airspeed once over the edge, did you feel anything like that in your Kolb ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192225#192225 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Why Teach Out Dated Stuff From: "JetPilot" Here in Miami, about 10 years ago same thing happened to a Delta Airlines MD-80. They were talking to Miami tower, doing a Visual to Miami International airport runway 9, but ended up landing on runway 9 at Opa Locka about 7 miles to the north... Very embarrassing to do something like this to a very large airport, with all sorts of moder navigation, they just saw the wrong airport first and went for it ! Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192227#192227 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:04 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 John, Gang, There has been three GA accidents in the last few weeks at these back country Idaho airstrips. A recent one involved a Moony landing long at Big Creek and colliding with a old abandoned pickup. I think me and my little Firestar will stay out of those ?hills? The air currents have to be tricky in those canyons. 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