---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/11/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:38 AM - Re: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (John Hauck) 2. 03:49 AM - Flying upwind (cristalclear13) 3. 04:12 AM - Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA (John Hauck) 4. 04:42 AM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (lucien) 5. 05:36 AM - Re: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA (Steven Green) 6. 06:11 AM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 () 7. 06:54 AM - Re: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA (Steven Green) 8. 07:00 AM - Re: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA (TK) 9. 07:45 AM - Re: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA (Jimmy Young) 10. 07:49 AM - Re: Coast Guard Intercept (jb92563) 11. 07:54 AM - Re: Restricted Airspace Over and Around Federal Prisons (jb92563) 12. 08:02 AM - Re: Flying upwind (grantr) 13. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Battery Life (neilsenrm@comcast.net) 14. 09:13 AM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (JetPilot) 15. 09:19 AM - Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 (JetPilot) 16. 05:43 PM - Humpback whale fins.... (Robert Laird) 17. 06:22 PM - Re: Humpback whale fins.... (possums) 18. 06:48 PM - Very Minor Structural Failure (N111KX (Kip)) 19. 07:12 PM - Re: Humpback whale fins.... (Jack B. Hart) 20. 08:05 PM - Re: Very Minor Structural Failure (JetPilot) 21. 08:14 PM - Re: Humpback whale fins.... (henry.voris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:57 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 > That runway looks like a place fit for only a Helicopter... How long was it ? How much of it did you need to get off the ground. In the video, looks like the Cessna had to dive for airspeed once over the edge, did you feel anything like that in your Kolb ? > > Mike Mike: Airnav has airport info on Soldiers Bar and the other USFS airstrips in Idaho. http://www.airnav.com/airport/85U John W's Kolbra and my MKIII had no problems operating in and out of any of the back country airstrips. Also, we were flying at max gross weight, loaded up with fuel and all our gear. We were enroute from Monument Valley, Utah, to The Rock House, Oregon, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, Oregon. I must mention that it was exciting flying in this rugged terrain and the airstrips. One does not get bored flying in this part of the country. Training helps when flying under these conditions. I have been flying out of a 750 grass airstrip with poor approach and departure for the last 24 years. Folks that fly out of large airports with paved strips are a little more intimidated than us country boys. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Flying upwind From: "cristalclear13" I took a short flight last night before sunset. Winds were fairly calm - AWOS said 3kts out of 220. When I got in the air I noticed a fire burning off to the north and saw the smoke rising and then gently trailing off to the northeast. I was going to just stay in the pattern but it was such a beautiful evening, I headed to the east and in no time I was at a big field about 4 miles away from the airport. I turned around to head back and noticed the smoke from that fire not rising very much but steadily blowing off to the northeast now. It took me probably a good 10 minutes to get back to the airport. Felt like I was CRAWLING. That is certainly one big difference I've noticed between flying the Cessna and flying my Kolb. I feel like a big kite just being taken by the wind sometimes. I didn't look last night when I got home, but I looked at the winds aloft early this morning and the winds are about 17-20kts at 3000 ft and I was flying at 2500 ft. P.S. My checkride has been postponed to August 5th since I am on call at work for the next two weeks. Don't they know I wanna fly?! Oh well, wanna fly...gotta work. -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192238#192238 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:11 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA Morning Gang: Time to load up and take off for Nauga Field, LA. Weather looks like I should make it ok if I get on out of here early. 322 sm, 4.5 hours, and 21.5 gals. Could make it without refueling, but I will top off at Laurel, MS, and have plenty fuel to make it into Nauga field, should I have to deviate because of weather. I plan for 75 mph ground speed without factoring in the wind. Usually, plans out pretty close to actual flight time. Even though it is a weekend flight, it takes almost as much gear as a month long flight. I could cut my load down a lot, but should I get caught by weather or mechanical problem, sure is nice to have a tent, air mattress, sleeping bag, pillow, and a little chow to stave off the hunger monster. There are some very isolated, little used airports between Gantt IAP and Nauga Field. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:35 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > > That runway looks like a place fit for only a Helicopter... How long was > it ? How much of it did you need to get off the ground. In the video, > looks like the Cessna had to dive for airspeed once over the edge, did you > feel anything like that in your Kolb ? > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > Mike: > > Airnav has airport info on Soldiers Bar and the other USFS airstrips in > Idaho. > > http://www.airnav.com/airport/85U > > John W's Kolbra and my MKIII had no problems operating in and out of any of > the back country airstrips. Also, we were flying at max gross weight, > loaded up with fuel and all our gear. We were enroute from Monument Valley, > Utah, to The Rock House, Oregon, 6 miles south of Burns Junction, Oregon. I > must mention that it was exciting flying in this rugged terrain and the > airstrips. One does not get bored flying in this part of the country. > > Training helps when flying under these conditions. I have been flying out > of a 750 grass airstrip with poor approach and departure for the last 24 > years. Folks that fly out of large airports with paved strips are a little > more intimidated than us country boys. > > john h > mkIII I was thinking the only kind of plane I'd want to fly into a strip like that would be a Kolb, and even then preferably with some larger tundra-like tires....... I flew my ultralight off a farm strip for several years and some of the runways were basically, like, in the yard by the hangar. Maybe 600' of landing area and that was about it. The other was a hill with large trees at the end, but that one was probably close to 1000'. If I had that strip to do over again, and I'd do it in a heartbeat because it was a blast, it'd only be a Kolb....... ;) LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192241#192241 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:56 AM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA I sat at the airport for about 2-1/2 hours this morning. Fog, ceiling 200' and misting rain. I am back at the house now to look at weather further along my route. I need to be able to get under way by noon to make it. Steven do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:09 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 Good morning John, Was there last summer in a C180. Looks very decieving from the air. You are landing up a fairly steep hill. On a 1-10 roughness scale, about an 8. Fantastic fishing if you are in to such endeavours. Bob ---- John Hauck wrote: > > > Check out Dewey Moore strip next time. > > Bob > > > Bob: > > Have you landed there? > > john h > mkIII > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:44 AM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA It's still pretty cruddy here @ 9:45 Steven > > > I sat at the airport for about 2-1/2 hours this morning. Fog, ceiling > 200' and misting rain. I am back at the house now to look at weather > further along my route. I need to be able to get under way by noon to > make it. > > Steven > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:54 AM PST US From: TK Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA Steven Green wrote: > > > > I sat at the airport for about 2-1/2 hours this morning. Fog, ceiling > 200' and misting rain. I am back at the house now to look at weather > further along my route. I need to be able to get under way by noon to > make it. > > Steven > > do not archive > Steven, Your luck with the weather is definitely not good. Sounds like last years experience trying to get to Homer's. At least this year you were able make it, but the weather shortened our time there. Maybe you have to pay more homage to the weather God's!!! Good luck on your trip to Nauga Field, wish I could join you! Terry - FireFly #95 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:50 AM PST US From: Jimmy Young Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Nauga Field Flyin, Star Hill, LA Nauga Folks, I wish I could leave today, but must work to pay for my hobby. I'm leaving as early as possible Saturday AM, 250 miles + or - a couple, est. 5-6 hrs. Looks like I'll just head for False River and meet ya'll for lunch. I should have a little tailwind Saturday, with a headwind Sunday heading back home. This is my first fly-in, looking forward to it! Jimmy Young FS II, N7043P 135 hrs. with her ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:55 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Coast Guard Intercept From: "jb92563" So you use your Kolb for simulated border busting missions, to train the Coast Guard for intercept missions? You should trick them out by painting your Kolb "Desert" and flying on the deck to sneak by them. Paint the undersides sky blue as well and perhaps you can sneak by flying high too. I wonder what the service ceiling of the Heli is.....maybe you can out ceiling them as well. Sounds like a challenge in any case....cool. Ray -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192258#192258 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Restricted Airspace Over and Around Federal Prisons From: "jb92563" Perhaps I remembered rules from the wrong country. I got my Private Glider ticket in Canada, but have also got my US Private Glider as well. I suspect that was a Canadian Reg as no one agrees with me here in the US....ooops! Ray -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Grob 109 Motorglider Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192261#192261 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying upwind From: "grantr" I agree. When Danny and I took a flight with surface winds over 13 knots the kolb felt like a kite. Once we got up about 1800 agl it appeared that we were only moving at a walking pace. Maintaining a heading flying cross wind required a rather steep crab angle about 30 degrees so the ground track was right between the wing and the nose. Our planes fly much slower than the Cessna so yes the wind does appear to make a big difference in our ground speed. Actually both planes see the same increase/ decrease in ground speed however the Cessna is faster so its not as noticeable as in the Kolb. My cruise indicated is only 60mph which is about 50 true airspeed. My cruise is only 2mph faster than a c150s stall speed of 48mph. Cruise is 123mph on a C-150. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192263#192263 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:49 AM PST US From: neilsenrm@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Battery Life Jack I use a battery maintainer on my Kolb battery and see twice the service life. I forget the exact make and model but it says something like automatic battery maintainer from one of the big name battery charger companies. I keep my battery attached to it anytime I'm not flying. It works especally well when the plane is in winter storage. I use a 12 AH battery in my plane that I use to start my 2180cc VW. The battery is margional so any loss or battery power is noticable. The maintainer keeps the battery fully charged. Since I had such good luck with this device I have pruchased a bunch of float chargers from Harbor Freight. They usually have them on sale for about $10.00. I have been using them them on my boat and car in Florida when I'm in Michigan and on my tractor in Michigan when I'm in Florida. The boat battery has had the Harbor Freight charger on it for the last three years and my car for two years connected for up to nine months at a time. Rick Neilsen Redrive VWpowered MKIIIC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jack B. Hart" > > At 05:08 AM 7/6/08 -0700, you wrote: > > > >So Jack..... Why didn't you just pull the rope or Hand prop it for the one > flight.....and git yer batt later..??? > > > > Gotta Fly... > > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > > > >PS I was SHOCKED to hear you have Elec Start.... > >That ALOT of weight... > >. > > Mike, > > No rope to pull. I thought about tying it to the pickup truck and hand > propping. But since I had never done it before, I thought it might be > better if someone was around when I did it. So I passed it up for the > day. > > One reason I can make the weight limit is that I don't have a manual rope > pull start. The Victor 1+ does not come with one. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > > >
Jack
 
I use a battery maintainer on my Kolb battery and see twice the service life. I forget the exact make and model but it says something like automatic battery maintainer from one of the big name battery charger companies. I keep my battery attached to it anytime I'm not flying. It works especally well when the plane is in winter storage. I use a 12 AH battery in my plane that I use to start my 2180cc VW. The battery is margional so any loss or battery power is noticable. The maintainer keeps the battery fully charged.
 
Since I had such good luck with this device I have pruchased a bunch of float chargers from Harbor Freight. They usually have them on sale for about $10.00. I have been using them them on my boat and car in Florida when I'm in Michigan and on my tractor in Michigan when I'm in Florida. The boat battery has had the Harbor Freight charger on it for the last three years and my car for two years connected for up to nine months at a time. 
 
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VWpowered MKIIIC
 
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From: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart@onlyinternet.net>

> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart"
>
> At 05:08 AM 7/6/08 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "planecrazzzy"
> >
> >So Jack..... Why didn't you just pull the rope or Hand prop it for the one
> flight.....and git yer batt later..???
> >
> > Gotta Fly...
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
> >
> >PS I was SHOCKED to hear you have Elec Start....
> >That ALOT of weight...
> >.
>
> Mike,
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> No rope to pull. I thought about tying it to the pickup truck and hand
> propping. But since I had never done it before, I thought it might be
> better if someon =====
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 From: "JetPilot" Those strips look exciting, much too exciting for me ! Here in Florida the biggest hill I have to worry about is the trash hill, and nice long runways make taking off and landing very relaxing :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192276#192276 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightaerialfloridahomesteadtoevergladescity06_15_2008_190_173.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Idaho's Back Country USFS Airstrips 2008 From: "JetPilot" Had to make sure my flying partner got off OK [Wink] Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192278#192278 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightaerialfloridahomesteadtoevergladescity06_15_2008_068_903.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:31 PM PST US From: "Robert Laird" Subject: Kolb-List: Humpback whale fins.... Really interesting reading... maybe it'll be the next "VG" ! :-) http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/07/11/wind-turbine-whale.html ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:05 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Humpback whale fins.... At 08:40 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: >Really interesting reading... maybe it'll be the next "VG" ! :-) > >http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/07/11/wind-turbine-whale.html Maybe not so much for the wings but as a new prop design?? ----------------- "But the finding has lots of applications on land, too. Putting bumps across the leading edge of a wind turbine means the blades can be oriented at a higher angle to capture more of the wind without worrying about stall -- which can damage the turbines. They are also targeting industrial fans. "We can move more air and ventilate more area with fewer blades. The whale-inspired fans also use 20 percent less power and operate with one-fifth the noise of a standard fan, Dewar said." ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Very Minor Structural Failure From: "N111KX (Kip)" During the pre-flight today I ran across this little failure. It's the steel rod that keeps the fabric away from the aileron torque tube. It seems to have broken away from the weld. Also noteworthy is that there is no real stress on mine as my cage is uncovered. You may want to keep an eye on this. One of the last airframes from old Kolb. Total time...370 hours Years since manufacture...10 (8 years flying) Regards, Kip -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192337#192337 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbbreak2_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbbreak1_857.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:33 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Humpback whale fins.... From: "Robert Laird" Really interesting reading... maybe it'll be the next "VG" ! :-) http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/07/11/wind-turbine-whale.html ..................... Robert, Similar studies are underway with wing grids that model bird wing tip behavior at: http://www.winggrid.ch/ Also locusts have very good lift to drag ratios due to some peculiar striations on their wings. A technical paper can be found at: http://www.winggrid.ch/ICAS_GROV.pdf Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Very Minor Structural Failure From: "JetPilot" Thanks for the heads up Kip, it is always good to know what problem areas might be so that I can keep an eye on them. It is beyond me as to why that would break there, as you say it looks like its just to keep the fabric formed and away from the tube. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192350#192350 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Humpback whale fins.... From: "henry.voris" So... what's the procedure to get a humpback to recover from a stall??? I wonder if they'll spin??? We have gobs of them around here and it's pretty rare to find them a crumpled mess at the end of the runway. Dr. Fish's work has been around for a while. An article about it in SciAm helped me feel better about the VGs on my FireFly's wings... I've been wondering how they'd work on prop blades... -------- Henry Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192351#192351 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.