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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Just a rare good day in Ohio (gary aman)
2. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (pj.ladd)
3. 02:30 PM - Re: Weight and Balance? (pj.ladd)
4. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (Larry Cottrell)
5. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (Jack B. Hart)
6. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (Russ RKIPhoto)
7. 09:53 PM - Re: Re:side slip in a KOLB (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
8. 09:57 PM - Re: VG's (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Just a rare good day in Ohio |
They have a 350' square field behind the place with an open approach from the east.They
have car shows there.You have to taxi up a slope then across some gravel
to get to the pavement,but yes you can. A Savannah, and a Chinook were with
me. ----- Original Message ----
From: N111KX (Kip) <n111kx@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:37:25 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Just a rare good day in Ohio
Looks like fun. Can you just pull up to the diner there...?
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Kip
Firestar II, N111KX
Waiex, N111YX
Quickie 1, N111QX
Atlanta
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance? |
Gary mentioned a sudden pitch up when slipping hard; >>
Hi,
in the UK the tendency for the nose to lift when sideslipping is
incorporated in the test write up for the Extra. Probably different for the
single seaters.. It is attributed to , not the weight being aft but the
airflow sideways across the nose cone producing lift.
The information in the test results merely said `Not dangerous if the pilot
is aware of the effect.
Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area and
the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done any
comparative tests?
Off line for the next week as I am off to Summer School at a local
university.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance? |
plane might fly just fine in most cases with an aft limit, but then be
unable to recover from a spin,>>
Hi,
I understand that the Thud could not be got out of a flat spin. Standard
drill was to take your hands and feet off, and wait. That took guts.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance? |
----- Original Message -----
From: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
> Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area
> and the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done
> any comparative tests?
Pat,
Of course there is a point in side slipping a Kolb. The same one that
applies to side slipping any airplane. My Firestar sideslips nicely. I do
have a full enclosure that gives me quite a sizable side area.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance? |
At 10:24 PM 7/26/08 +0100, you wrote:
>
>
>Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area and
>the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done any
>comparative tests?
>
Pat,
Side slipping is nice for cross wind landings. I prefer it as apposed to
crabbing and straightening the FireFly out just before touch down. With
side slipping, I can stabilize the FireFly relative to the runway center
line. I am not good at multi tasking as I am just about touch down.
I am curious. What course are taking in summer school?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance? |
Pat
IMHO sideslipping is a valuable maneuvre (note correct spelling) in
any kind of aircraft, but I admit to no experience in a Kolb.
Little side area should make her slip and descend even better than most.
BTW in your 'Summer School' -- are you instructor or student ?
Fair winds,
Russ
do not archive
On Jul 26, 2008, at 5:24 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> Gary mentioned a sudden pitch up when slipping hard; >>
>
> Hi,
> in the UK the tendency for the nose to lift when sideslipping is
> incorporated in the test write up for the Extra. Probably different
> for the single seaters.. It is attributed to , not the weight being
> aft but the airflow sideways across the nose cone producing lift.
> The information in the test results merely said `Not dangerous if
> the pilot is aware of the effect.
>
> Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side
> area and the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway.
> Anyone done any comparative tests?
>
> Off line for the next week as I am off to Summer School at a local
> university.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:side slip in a KOLB |
I have side slipped three different models of KOLBS and they all slip great
if anyone tells you different they don't know how to side slip properly I
just showed Vic from Maine how they slip today ask him and he has flaperons
not Flaps they all come down like an elevator with a slip
Ellery in Maine
do not archive
In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:27:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
Gary mentioned a sudden pitch up when slipping hard; >>
Hi,
in the UK the tendency for the nose to lift when sideslipping is
incorporated in the test write up for the Extra. Probably different for the
single seaters.. It is attributed to , not the weight being aft but the
airflow sideways across the nose cone producing lift.
The information in the test results merely said `Not dangerous if the pilot
is aware of the effect.
Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area and
the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done any
comparative tests?
Off line for the next week as I am off to Summer School at a local
university.
Cheers
Pat
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after the results I saw today with VG's Im not sold on em and I have a new
set I will sell you if you really believe they work that good
I guess I am with John H on this one
Ellery in Maine
do not archive and do not install VG's
In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:31:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "pj.ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
plane might fly just fine in most cases with an aft limit, but then be
unable to recover from a spin,>>
Hi,
I understand that the Thud could not be got out of a flat spin. Standard
drill was to take your hands and feet off, and wait. That took guts.
Cheers
Pat
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