---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/26/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:14 AM - Re: Re: Just a rare good day in Ohio (gary aman) 2. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (pj.ladd) 3. 02:30 PM - Re: Weight and Balance? (pj.ladd) 4. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (Larry Cottrell) 5. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (Jack B. Hart) 6. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Weight and Balance? (Russ RKIPhoto) 7. 09:53 PM - Re: Re:side slip in a KOLB (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 8. 09:57 PM - Re: VG's (ElleryWeld@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:17 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Just a rare good day in Ohio They have a 350' square field behind the place with an open approach from the east.They have car shows there.You have to taxi up a slope then across some gravel to get to the pavement,but yes you can. A Savannah, and a Chinook were with me. ----- Original Message ---- From: N111KX (Kip) Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:37:25 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Just a rare good day in Ohio Looks like fun. Can you just pull up to the diner there...? -------- Kip Firestar II, N111KX Waiex, N111YX Quickie 1, N111QX Atlanta Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194994#194994 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:25 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Weight and Balance? Gary mentioned a sudden pitch up when slipping hard; >> Hi, in the UK the tendency for the nose to lift when sideslipping is incorporated in the test write up for the Extra. Probably different for the single seaters.. It is attributed to , not the weight being aft but the airflow sideways across the nose cone producing lift. The information in the test results merely said `Not dangerous if the pilot is aware of the effect. Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area and the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done any comparative tests? Off line for the next week as I am off to Summer School at a local university. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:51 PM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weight and Balance? plane might fly just fine in most cases with an aft limit, but then be unable to recover from a spin,>> Hi, I understand that the Thud could not be got out of a flat spin. Standard drill was to take your hands and feet off, and wait. That took guts. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:49 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Weight and Balance? ----- Original Message ----- From: "pj.ladd" > Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area > and the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done > any comparative tests? Pat, Of course there is a point in side slipping a Kolb. The same one that applies to side slipping any airplane. My Firestar sideslips nicely. I do have a full enclosure that gives me quite a sizable side area. Larry C ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:26 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Weight and Balance? At 10:24 PM 7/26/08 +0100, you wrote: > > >Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area and >the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done any >comparative tests? > Pat, Side slipping is nice for cross wind landings. I prefer it as apposed to crabbing and straightening the FireFly out just before touch down. With side slipping, I can stabilize the FireFly relative to the runway center line. I am not good at multi tasking as I am just about touch down. I am curious. What course are taking in summer school? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:05 PM PST US From: Russ RKIPhoto Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Weight and Balance? Pat IMHO sideslipping is a valuable maneuvre (note correct spelling) in any kind of aircraft, but I admit to no experience in a Kolb. Little side area should make her slip and descend even better than most. BTW in your 'Summer School' -- are you instructor or student ? Fair winds, Russ do not archive On Jul 26, 2008, at 5:24 PM, pj.ladd wrote: > > Gary mentioned a sudden pitch up when slipping hard; >> > > Hi, > in the UK the tendency for the nose to lift when sideslipping is > incorporated in the test write up for the Extra. Probably different > for the single seaters.. It is attributed to , not the weight being > aft but the airflow sideways across the nose cone producing lift. > The information in the test results merely said `Not dangerous if > the pilot is aware of the effect. > > Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side > area and the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. > Anyone done any comparative tests? > > Off line for the next week as I am off to Summer School at a local > university. > > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:27 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:side slip in a KOLB I have side slipped three different models of KOLBS and they all slip great if anyone tells you different they don't know how to side slip properly I just showed Vic from Maine how they slip today ask him and he has flaperons not Flaps they all come down like an elevator with a slip Ellery in Maine do not archive In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:27:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pj.ladd" Gary mentioned a sudden pitch up when slipping hard; >> Hi, in the UK the tendency for the nose to lift when sideslipping is incorporated in the test write up for the Extra. Probably different for the single seaters.. It is attributed to , not the weight being aft but the airflow sideways across the nose cone producing lift. The information in the test results merely said `Not dangerous if the pilot is aware of the effect. Is there any point in sideslipping a Kolb?. There is so little side area and the flaps can produce a pretty good descent angle antway. Anyone done any comparative tests? Off line for the next week as I am off to Summer School at a local university. Cheers Pat **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:04 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG's after the results I saw today with VG's Im not sold on em and I have a new set I will sell you if you really believe they work that good I guess I am with John H on this one Ellery in Maine do not archive and do not install VG's In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:31:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes: --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pj.ladd" plane might fly just fine in most cases with an aft limit, but then be unable to recover from a spin,>> Hi, I understand that the Thud could not be got out of a flat spin. Standard drill was to take your hands and feet off, and wait. That took guts. Cheers Pat **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. 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