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1. 07:26 AM - Re: pre- tire kicking (JetPilot)
2. 08:21 AM - Two KOLB MK III's, Vortex Generators, Landing Video Attahced (JetPilot)
3. 08:55 AM - Re: Two KOLB MK III's, Vortex Generators, Landing Video Attahced (robert bean)
4. 09:20 AM - Re: VG's (lucien)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: Two KOLB MK III's, Vortex Generators, Landing Video Attahced (JetPilot)
6. 12:31 PM - how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? (grantr)
7. 01:41 PM - Re: VG's (planecrazzzy)
8. 02:00 PM - Jet Pilot, you win (planecrazzzy)
9. 03:20 PM - Forum Etiquette (grantr)
10. 03:56 PM - Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? (JetPilot)
11. 04:23 PM - Re: Forum Etiquette (Dana Hague)
12. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? (Dana Hague)
13. 04:37 PM - Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? (John Bickham)
14. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? (robert bean)
15. 06:48 PM - Re: VG's (JetPilot)
16. 07:20 PM - Re: VG's (JetPilot)
17. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: VG's (Dana Hague)
18. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? (Gary)
19. 07:38 PM - Re: Jet Pilot, you win (JetPilot)
20. 07:46 PM - Re: VG's (JetPilot)
21. 08:42 PM - Re: Forum Etiquette (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
22. 09:29 PM - Re: Forum Etiquette (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
23. 10:01 PM - Re: Forum Etiquette (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: pre- tire kicking |
Doug,
The MK III Xtra has more than enough room for 2 people and your overnight items.
The area behind the pilots heads has enough room to put a significant amount
of "Stuff" , and there is a lot of room in the Nose in front of the rudder
pedals. You would want to use a soft bag rather than putting a hard bag into
these areas. I fly with my wife and there would be plenty of room for overnight
items, or even for extended trips items if we needed. See attached pictures.
How much do you and your wife weigh together ? I have found that CG is more of
a limiting factor than dead weight. You would not want to put anything heavy
in the nose, but it would be perfect for coats, a couple sleeping bags, or other
light but bulky items. Weight in the area behind the pilots actually helps
the CG with 2 people, so heavy items should go there. These are old pictures,
I am rerouted the fuel line in the picture that runs up from the tanks to access
to the rear area I am talking about. For the type of flying you are talking
about, the Kolb MK III is a great plane with unmatched visibility.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Two KOLB MK III's, Vortex Generators, Landing Video Attahced |
The link below is a video documenting the landing characteristics of my Kolb MK
III Xtra with VG's installed. This is with my MK III Xtra fully loaded, 2 people,
full fuel, BRS, Gross weight around 950 pounds and both approach and landings
are at idle power. The first approach is with one notch of flaps, approach
is flown at 50 MPH, slowing to 45 MPH at over the fence height, and flare
started at 45 MPH. The second approach and landing was done no flaps at 50 MPH.
Video is located at:
http://www.vimeo.com/1440051
>From the video, it is clear even though the plane is very low on energy, but there
is no tendency for the Kolb Quit or sudden drop upon flare.
There is another Kolb MK III that is based at the field that I fly out of, it has
been there for years. The other Kolb MK III is very close in construction
to my plane, Both are MK III, mine is the Xtra, the other one is the classic.
The classic and my Xtra both have same wing and flap setup. Both have Rotax
912 engines and dual controls, the classic is a bit lighter than my plane.
Both are very well built, the Classic used to be used as a demonstrator, some
may recognize it. Attached are pictures of both planes.
Three experienced experimental pilots have flown both planes, and all three have
the same thing to say... My Kolb with the VG's is a vast improvement to the
Kolb without VG's . It is superior to the other Kolb without vortex generators
in both the pattern ( feel below 60 MPH ) and landing phase. They always
land the other Kolb with a bit of power to avoid dropping abruptly onto the runway,
I always land at idle.
These are reports from 3 unbiased pilots, with no spin, no agenda to promote their
opinion, or their friends opinions here the list, just 3 guys that have flown
both planes and given their observations. One other comment that they have
all made, is that I need to take the owner of the other Kolb MK III Classic
up in my plane, because once he trys my plane he will want to install VG's also.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Two KOLB MK III's, Vortex Generators, Landing Video Attahced |
We can't view the vid without permission..
BB
On 31, Jul 2008, at 11:18 AM, JetPilot wrote:
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> The link below is a video documenting the landing characteristics
> of my Kolb MK III Xtra with VG's installed. This is with my MK III
> Xtra fully loaded, 2 people, full fuel, BRS, Gross weight around
> 950 pounds and both approach and landings are at idle power. The
> first approach is with one notch of flaps, approach is flown at 50
> MPH, slowing to 45 MPH at over the fence height, and flare started
> at 45 MPH. The second approach and landing was done no flaps at 50
> MPH. Video is located at:
>
> http://www.vimeo.com/1440051
>
>> From the video, it is clear even though the plane is very low on
>> energy, but there is no tendency for the Kolb Quit or sudden drop
>> upon flare.
>
> There is another Kolb MK III that is based at the field that I fly
> out of, it has been there for years. The other Kolb MK III is very
> close in construction to my plane, Both are MK III, mine is the
> Xtra, the other one is the classic. The classic and my Xtra both
> have same wing and flap setup. Both have Rotax 912 engines and
> dual controls, the classic is a bit lighter than my plane. Both
> are very well built, the Classic used to be used as a demonstrator,
> some may recognize it. Attached are pictures of both planes.
>
> Three experienced experimental pilots have flown both planes, and
> all three have the same thing to say... My Kolb with the VG's is a
> vast improvement to the Kolb without VG's . It is superior to the
> other Kolb without vortex generators in both the pattern ( feel
> below 60 MPH ) and landing phase. They always land the other Kolb
> with a bit of power to avoid dropping abruptly onto the runway, I
> always land at idle.
>
> These are reports from 3 unbiased pilots, with no spin, no agenda
> to promote their opinion, or their friends opinions here the list,
> just 3 guys that have flown both planes and given their
> observations. One other comment that they have all made, is that I
> need to take the owner of the other Kolb MK III Classic up in my
> plane, because once he trys my plane he will want to install VG's
> also.
>
> Mike
>
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> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195866#195866
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JMO,
I would recommend, as a safety measure, no punitive action at all and simply ignoring
the offending threads/people.
One has to be very careful with what comes in out of the night onto the internet
- it's like poking a cornered bear with a sharp stick, you never know how he's
going to react. When threats begin to appear, it's time to duck out because
then you really don't know what you're dealing with.
Some examples:
I got into a debate once on one of the USENET newsgroups with a guy who didn't
understand how stall was determined by AOA and not airspeed. A couple of the CFI's
on that list got involved too and the thread quickly got pretty hot.
The guy sure enough was a nutcase - he ended up calling the local FSDO in the area
I was living and lodging a complaint that I was buzzing some local houses
or something like that.
I almost had to retain an attorney, but fortunately it ended once it was discovered
the caller was a crank.
He did similar things to the several CFI's that had been involved also.
And there are other cases where the damage done by the nutcase was far far worse,
the infamous Robert L. Bass incident on rec.aviation.homebuilt comes to mind.
There some legal blood was spilt before it was all over and the results were
very ugly for a couple of the list members.
And so on for other nutcases/lists that I'm sure we all are familiar with.
Nowadays my strategy is just to hone in on the point of fact and try to keep everything
else out of it (tho I still sometimes drop a mild Ad Hominum here and
there, always regretting it later).
There's a lot of weirdness out there - you don't want em finding out who and where
you are, because it can really end up following you.
My .02,
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Two KOLB MK III's, Vortex Generators, Landing Video Attahced |
Don't know why it initally got set as private.. Video is now public, anyone can
watch it.
Enjoy,
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? |
I am talking about using a 6 gallon gas can. The only can that will fit between
the gas tanks and frame on my plane is a 1 gallon can. Of course I do not use
a 1 gallon can to fill my plane.
I fill my plane by putting the 6 gallon can on top of the wing gap seal and using
a siphon hose with a pvc cutoff valve added to it so I can easily control
the fuel flow as the tank gets full. It works great but it is aggravating having
to lift nearly 40 lbs over my head each time and getting gas on me while
switching tanks. I also have the end of the hose running into a mr. Funnel to
keep trash out of the tanks.
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I went to that page..... it just said Jet Pilot was a moron....
Look for yourself....
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=36500&highlight=electric+trim
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Jet Pilot, you win |
Your the weenier.... You got rid of a preacher.... that was bad when even a preacher
can't stand you....
I've finally had enough of your drivel....
( But hope I meet you someday )
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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PS If I ever have a question , I'll just contact the right people ofline...
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Guys if you do not have anything nice to say to each other just don't say anything
at all. This fighting is getting old and childish. Seems like one of you just
has to have the last word in. No need for that. This is wasting forum bandwidth
on useless crap! [Rolling Eyes]
We all have different opinions about different things however there is no reason
to go over board and bash one another with wild comments like go fuck your self!!!
Jeez! :?
Thats really pushing it. I understand someone saying something like your not a
good enough pilot can make you angry but big deal!!! You are the one that knows
if you are a good pilot or not!
I think it is good to hear different opinions on different matters such as VGs.
While I am fairly new to this list less than a year It looks as though JetPilot
is being singled out in the most recent knock down drag out in the VG thread.
All I am saying is I see two sides to these issues and neither side is handling
it correctly.
JUST LET IT GO GUYS!!!!:D
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| Subject: | Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? |
Grant,
I also fill my MK III from 6 gallon Cans, but my solution is kind of backwards
from yours. I am not the strongest guy in the world, I would not want to be lifting
6 gallons over my head either... I put a 6 foot free standing ladder by
the cockpit door, and set the gas jug on top of the ladder. I have a MR Funnel
that I attached to the TOP of a long hose, I put the bottom of the hose in
the fuel tank, and go up a couple steps on the ladder with the funnel in my hand,
and just tip the jug so that gas pours directly from the jug into the MR Funnel
( Not using spout ), the tube and the gas runs down the long hose directly
into the tank. I run the hose through the top loop of the shoulder harness
to keep it from moving as I fill the plane. This system is fairly easy to deal
with, and has worked well for me for over 2 years now.
My flying buddy got this nifty metal hand gas pump that he mounted to a15 gallon
free standing can from Northern Tools, its a sweet setup that I like and not
to expensive. But the ladder and MR Funnel setup on the top of the hose has
been working so well I have just not been motivated to buy and setup what my friend
has. Using the MR Funnel, I have never seen any contamination in my fuel.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Forum Etiquette |
At 06:18 PM 7/31/2008, grantr wrote:
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>Guys if you do not have anything nice to say...
Yeah, ENOUGH of this VG discussion. Let's switch the subject to something
else nice and non controversial... Seafoam perhaps? :)
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? |
At 06:53 PM 7/31/2008, JetPilot wrote:
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>Grant,
>
>I also fill my MK III from 6 gallon Can
How 'bout this:
http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0010882520042a.shtml or
http://ww2.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=6498
I don't need it for my Ultrastar, but I have one for one of my paramotors
where the tank is kinda buried under the engine. Not breathtakingly fast
but who's in a hurry?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? |
I don't have the vast knowledge base as some.
I use a Super Siphon and like it a lot. Like JP, you need a ladder to get the
can above the tanks. A few shakes and the siphon starts working. Simple, cheap,
and reliable. Will empty a can 98%.
I carry it on xc flights that may require fueling from gas tanks. Easy to store
and use.
Google - Super Siphon.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as you could have
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| Subject: | Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? |
I have a 5' length of tygon hose attached to my gas jug. I stick the
hose in the tank and flip
the jug up onto my shoulder. I can see the level come up between the
seats.
Fairly effortless and I'm 67+
The hose needs to be replaced soon because it gets stiff when the OAT
drops.
I haven't gotten much flying time this summer but this evening
couldn't be ignored.
I got .5 in buzzing around the neighborhood. Fun watching the heads
turn up to see whatever
that goofy looking contraption is. The corn is getting tall on both
sides of the strip so I have
to be careful to stay near the center. Those stalks can suck you in
if you start dragging a tip.
BB
MkIII / suzuki / N3851E
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On 31, Jul 2008, at 7:35 PM, John Bickham wrote:
> <gearbender@bellsouth.net>
>
> I don't have the vast knowledge base as some.
>
> I use a Super Siphon and like it a lot. Like JP, you need a ladder
> to get the can above the tanks. A few shakes and the siphon starts
> working. Simple, cheap, and reliable. Will empty a can 98%.
>
> I carry it on xc flights that may require fueling from gas tanks.
> Easy to store and use.
>
> Google - Super Siphon.
>
>
> Do not archive.
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> Thanks too much,
>
> John Bickham
> Mark III-C w/ 912UL
> St. Francisville, LA
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> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as slow as
> you could have !!!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195922#195922
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planecrazzzy wrote:
> I went to that page..... it just said Jet Pilot was a moron....
>
> Look for yourself....
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=36500&highlight=electric+trim
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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> .
> .
Everyone should go to the link both Planecrazzzy and I posted links to. If you
look at the bottom of Planecrazzzys posts in the old thread, you will notice
this note generated by the matronics system:
" Last edited by planecrazzzy on Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:35 pm; edited 1 time in total
"
Everyone must be wondering as I am, what kind of disturbed individual would go
and change a 9 month old post, and then try to lie to the group about what he
had posted.
I can understand someone editing something they may have posted in anger, but to
change a 9 month old post and try lie to everyone about what it has said, along
with his threats which he also edited today are nothing short of a deeply
disturbed and troubled individual...
Mike
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I started to post a response in my last post, but this garbage has gone on long
enough. Its a turning into a petty pissing match that needs to end.
Planecrazzzy, I do no want to see you off the list, or anyone else. I expect the
same courtesy in return from everyone. As far as threats, they have no place
here, there are so many more important things than petty arguments on the
Internet.
I have met some of the people things got pretty hot with in the past. I met Rick
Neilsen at Sun and Fun, and he came up and said hi, which I thought was pretty
cool. I have gotten into it pretty good with Mike Welch at times, but he
did try to help me out when he thought I had created a dangerous situation with
my airplane.
As far as I am concerned, these little pissing matches are far to easy to get into
behind a screen and a keyboard, and that is exactly where I leave them. If
any of you guys ever needed help with your plane in real life, Ellery and Planecrazzzy
included, I would not hesitate to help any of you guys out. All this
nastiness and bitterness goes away as soon as I turn off the computer.
Mike
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have !!!
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At 09:46 PM 7/31/2008, JetPilot wrote:
> > I went to that page..... it just said Jet Pilot was a moron....
> >
> > Look for yourself....
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=36500&highlight=electric+trim
> >
> >
>
>Everyone should go to the link both Planecrazzzy and I posted links
>to. If you look at the bottom of Planecrazzzys posts in the old thread,
>you will notice this note generated by the matronics system:
>
>" Last edited by planecrazzzy on Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:35 pm; edited 1 time
>in total "
>
>Everyone must be wondering as I am, what kind of disturbed individual
>would go and change a 9 month old post, and then try to lie to the group
>about what he had posted.
I must have too much time on my hands. The original version of the message
follows, I don't see any reason to edit it:
>Message-ID: <1196814358.m2f.150474@forums.matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Elevator trim tab information needed
>From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:25:58 -0800
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
>Anybody heard of the Elec servos causing "flutter"
>
>Something goes bad and causes it to go crazy and jump back and forth...
>
> That was reason enough for me to look for a "mechanical" trim....
>
> Has anybody heard of the servo going berserk ?
>
> I'm sure they all don't do it....but "some" do
>.
>.
> Gotta Fly...
Forum messages can be edited, but the original emailed copies can stay
around forever...
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: how do you fill the gas tanks on your MK III? |
I use a Flo N Go siphon threaded into a 6 gallon gas can. The siphon has a
control handle much like the one on a pump at a gas station, with several
feet of tubing attached. Thus, it has the benefit of being regulate the
flow at the aircraft's fuel tank as the tank becomes full. I elevate the
gas can on top of a 4 foot step ladder and strap the can to the top step
with a quick release strap so it does not accidentally fall from the ladder.
A couple squeezes of the handle starts the siphon action and then it works
pretty much like a standard gas pump. I tried the company's Super flo
model, but exchanged it for the Maxflo model with increased flow rate.
That makes short work of it. I don't recall exact price, but believe it was
around $35-$40 new.
http://www.flo-n-go.com/products/product_maxflo/
Gary Siegrist
Mark III Classic
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| Subject: | Re: Jet Pilot, you win |
Planecrazzzy,
I have no desire to see you or anyone else leave the list. I do expect the same
courtesy in return. Even though we may disagree sometimes, you do some good
work and do give a lot of good information to this list. You have your areas
of expertise which are very valuable, and I also have mine. It would not be
of any benefit for any member of this list to leave over something so unimportant
as a petty argument.
You wrote in anger last night, as did I. As others have said tonight, its time
to end this. As far as I am concerned, its over. Arguments happen, and they
are forgotten in time, I hold no grudge against you or anyone to the point that
I would want to see them leave this forum. Its time to get back to discussing
Kolbs, posting pictures, and having fun.
Mike
Mike
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You are correct Dana, the archives cannot be deleted, but the petty arguments and
disagreements can end. I don't see anything being gained by continuing this,
therefore I deleted the post on the forum, which is what most people read.
I do disagree strongly with what Planecrazzzy said, but in the end, as I have said
before, this is just a petty argument on the Internet which I have wasted
far to much time on. Planecrazzzy does do some good work, and give a lot of
good advice here. When I saw that he was ready to leave the list over this, I
realized this has gone to far. This list is all about helping out others, and
both myself and planecrazzzy have a lot of knowledge to give, even if we do
disagree on some things. It serves no purpose for any member of this forum to
leave. I hope he reconsiders and stays.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Forum Etiquette |
Just wait till you get a taste of him is all I have to say
Ellery
do not archive
In a message dated 7/31/2008 6:21:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
grant_richardson25@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Guys if you do not have anything nice to say to each other just don't say
anything at all. This fighting is getting old and childish. Seems like one of
you just has to have the last word in. No need for that. This is wasting forum
bandwidth on useless crap! [Rolling Eyes]
We all have different opinions about different things however there is no
reason to go over board and bash one another with wild comments like go fuck
your self!!! Jeez! :?
Thats really pushing it. I understand someone saying something like your not
a good enough pilot can make you angry but big deal!!! You are the one that
knows if you are a good pilot or not!
I think it is good to hear different opinions on different matters such as
VGs.
While I am fairly new to this list less than a year It looks as though
JetPilot is being singled out in the most recent knock down drag out in the VG
thread.
All I am saying is I see two sides to these issues and neither side is
handling it correctly.
JUST LET IT GO GUYS!!!!:D
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Yeah Guys !!...Listen to the new Kidd on the Block :-))
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| Subject: | Re: Forum Etiquette |
Grantr is very observant, it is time for this to end. I have wasted enough of
my time on this petty bickering, and it takes the fun out of the list for everyone.
Some have taken offense to my posts at times, I can be very direct in telling people
they are wrong. Things escalate and we all write while we are angry and
have said things we should not, I accept that I have written things I should
not... To Ellery and a few others involved in this, people are noticing your
actions and double standards, where you complaining about me while posting the
worst things this list has ever seen. Only one person has commented so far,
but you can be assured that many others are taking note of your actions. Don't
try to act like you are innocent and that I am to blame for this mess, people
are not buying it.
I have proposed an end to the bickering. I and a lot of others would like a nice
friendly list, this is not fun. I am not the type of person that holds a grudge,
this thing and bitterness can pass. I hope that Ellery and the others
can do the same. We owe it to the many other users of this list to put this
behind us.
Mike
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have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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