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1. 01:58 AM - safety experiment (william sullivan)
2. 03:12 AM - Re: safety experiment (Tony Oldman)
3. 03:26 AM - Re: Any Examples of the new Valley Engine (pj.ladd)
4. 05:33 AM - Bomb loads (Jim Hauck)
5. 05:51 AM - Re: takeoff landing data on firestar and firefly? (Jack B. Hart)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Bomb loads (pj.ladd)
7. 08:06 AM - Fw: Bomb loads (Jim Hauck)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: safety experiment (Gherkins Tim)
9. 11:49 AM - Re: Any Examples of the new Valley Engine (DAquaNut@AOL.COM)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: pre- tire kicking (greg@skyelink.com)
11. 04:06 PM - VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (JetPilot)
12. 04:33 PM - Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (Jack B. Hart)
13. 05:09 PM - safety experiment (william sullivan)
14. 05:43 PM - Re: Absolutely the easiest way to refuel (possums)
15. 08:41 PM - Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (Jim ODay)
16. 09:07 PM - Re: best Kolb (Air Bags) (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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| Subject: | safety experiment |
Thanks, Tony. I don't have to tie it down- it's going to be a major rebuild.
Sitting in a pile in the back yard right now. When I am capable of walking,
I will get pictures and post them.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: safety experiment |
OKy , I might just go and take some flying photos myself, for two
reasons. One is I have been neglecting aviation a bit lately and second
to remind you of what you are missing. Half a world away I would like
to think begining aviators have the support of of us all. On this post
there is a lot of very good advise from some very experianced people .
For our sport that can be a bit of a problem. It may save some bent
tubes and some lives but it does put a hand brake on inivation.
Having said that we should individualy asses all the information
available and take the road that seems plausable to us.
Dont expect to get it right every time. This flying thing is no harder
than driving a car {so my instructor informed me when I had a bit of a
problem working out where the ground was}
Heal well
Tony
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:57 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: safety experiment
Thanks, Tony. I don't have to tie it down- it's going to be a
major rebuild. Sitting in a pile in the back yard right now. When I am
capable of walking, I will get pictures and post them.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Any Examples of the new Valley Engine |
I was amazed that they were able to design and build a very refined airplane
in only one year!>>
Hi,
amazing what can be done if it is imperative. The British de Havilland
Mosquito was 10 months from the go ahead from the Ministry to first flight.
The Mossie went faster, for longer with a bigger bomb load than the B17. Not
bad for 2 men and 2 engines.
Cheers
Pat
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Pat:
Now, Now, The "Skeeter" was faster, and could fly further than the B-17,
but that was with a 1000 lb bomb load. Also it was more versatile in
types of missions. Lets give credit where credit is due.
BOMB LOAD:
Depending on types of bombs, maximum normal load could go to 8,000 lbs.
If B-17 was fitted with special external racks, maximum normal
short-range bomb load could go as high as 17,600 lbs. Maximum range with
8000 lbs was 1100 miles.
The Mosquito twin Merlins an unarmed bomber could carry 1,000lb (454kg)
of bombs for 1,500 miles (2400km) at a speed of almost 400mph (644km/h)
which was almost twice that of current British bombers
Jim H
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| Subject: | Re: takeoff landing data on firestar and firefly? |
At 10:55 AM 8/5/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Is an 800 foot strip long enough for either plane with 60 to 70' trees on the
end?
>
>I was thinking 200' wide for the strip width
>
Grant,
You can calculate the required climb rate to clear the trees.
Assume a 200 run to lift off and climb speeds of 40 and 50 mph with 600' to
go to clear the 70' tree.
The time to travel the 600' at 40 mph is:
600(ft)/[40(mi/hr)x5280(ft/mi)/60(min/hr)] = 0.170(min)
The time to travel the 600' at 50 mph is:
600(ft)/[50(mi/hr)x5280(ft/mi)/60(min/hr)] = 0.136(min)
These are the times required to to clear the tree. The vertical speeds
required can be found by dividing these times into the height of the
tree.
At 40 mph -> 70(ft)/0.170(min) = 412(ft/min)
At 50 mph -> 70(ft)/0.136(min) = 515(ft/min)
Most normal performing FireFlys will have no trouble clearing the tree.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Lets give credit where credit is due.>>
Hi John,
I knew I wouldn`t be allowed to get away with that and I rather
suspected it might be you to swat me down. It was all tongue in cheek
anyway as I was really making the point about the speed of development..
Even there I cheated a bit as there was quite a bit of development on
similar designs before the Ministry issued the official `go-ahead.
The RAF had a song the last two lines of which were ` The Americans are
up there at 40,000feet
But theyve only got a teeny weeny bomb`
There was also the story of the American briefing his men
The Fortresses will bomb from 30,000ft. The Liberators will bomb from
20,000ft. For Gods sake don`t get below 15000feet or you will get all
mixed up with the RAF.
Good job we were on the same side, mostly.
The American I would really like to meet is the guy who gave me his
mandolin as he was climbing into a truck on the way to getting loaded on
the invasion fleet. About June3rd. I often wonder if he made it.
Pat
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Pat;
Not John, but Brother Jim.
Yes the Skeeter was originally designed as a much larger airplane with I
believe a crew of six. But ended up as a fantastic design.
Jim Hauck
----- Original Message -----
From: pj.ladd
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bomb loads
Lets give credit where credit is due.>>
Hi John,
I knew I wouldn`t be allowed to get away with that and I rather
suspected it might be you to swat me down.
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| Subject: | safety experiment |
Bill Sullivan,
I publicly wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your willingness
to be so upfront about your misadventure. The many things that I have
learned from your posts and everyone else's replies and advise on this
subject is truthfully a blessing to me personally. I know in future
archives others will gain from this adventure, even to the point of
saving lives.
Thanks you for your openness and honesty. Thank you for this list and
the great ideas and advise. This is what it's all about.
Tim Gherkins
Phx-AZ
FSII- Prepped to fly, getting instruction.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of william
sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:57 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: safety experiment
Thanks, Tony. I don't have to tie it down- it's going to be a major
rebuild. Sitting in a pile in the back yard right now. When I am
capable of walking, I will get pictures and post them.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Any Examples of the new Valley Engine |
In a message dated 8/5/2008 1:04:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
ulflyer@verizon.net writes:
For those folks that went to Oshkosh - did anyone see a sample of the
new little engine package Valley Engineering is selling. Any flying
examples, how did it perform and comments?
I staving down here in Texas while the sun is baking us.
jerb
Jerb and others,
My Wife and I just got back from Oshkosh yesterday. We camped in Camp
Scholler and somehow managed to miss seeing Rick Nielson, even after all the
time we spent at the Kolb trailer and at the Valley eng. trailer. Enjoyed
the visit at the Kolb trailer. Bruce , Travis, Dennis and the gang were
accommodating as usual. I missed seeing Donnie and wish him a speedy recovery
as I
know He wanted to be there. We got to visit with Homer and Clara, and
Homer appears to be getting younger rather than older. Got to meet Larry and
Gene and bent their ears on there Generac conversion . The back yard flier flew
quite well and sounded better than the 2-strokes we are used to hearing. It
sounded sweet as it flew near our camper each morning and afternoon. I would
put one of their engines on my firefly if it were lighter. Larry said it
weighs 120 lbs. It didn't climb like my firefly, but It seemed adequate to me.
I checked out the 40 lb., 35 hp rotary eng that was on the M
-squared UL. Very interesting. Static display sounded good. Very smooth! Cost
was
6200 dollars! kinda steep. But I never saw it fly. For some reason they
didn't fly it! Hmmmmm?
It seems that ULs are becoming a thing of the past as there is
much more money in LSP aircraft. They were everywhere and most all were only
offered ready ready to fly and did not offer kits. The backyard flier was the
only new Ul there and their plane always had people around it!
On the way home we got to visit with Jack and Louise Hart. They have
a beautiful new house in the country and the room for an 800' runway. But
the best part is the large basement that he has for building. He has done more
custom work on his Firefly than any I have ever seen. That Simmonini sounds
really nice!
We thoroughly enjoyed our visit with the harts.
Ed Diebel FF# 62 In steamy Houston!
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| Subject: | Re: pre- tire kicking |
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KOLB AIRCRAFT
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pre- tire kicking
>
>
> DOUG, THE MARK 3 XTRA, WILL DO THE THINGS YOU AND YOUR ARE THINKING
> ABOUT, BAGGAGE SPACE BEHIND THE SEATS WILL BE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR
> WEEKEND TRIPS , THERE IS ALSO SPACE IN THE NOSE FOR SMALL SOFT BAG, THE
> KOLBS DO CROSS COUNTRY FLYING WITHOUT A PROBLEM, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT
> FOR YEARS. THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN KOLB AND LET ME KNOW WHERE TO GO
> FROM HERE FOR YOU. THANKS DONNIE.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Doug Girling
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:42 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: pre- tire kicking
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm new to the list, and had a quick spin through the archives to see
> if I could find the answers to my questions there. I couldn't, so
> pre-apologies if I'm asking the same question for the umpteenth time.
>
>
> In my pre- pre- tire kicking phase, I like the layout, looks,
> affordability and performance of the Kolb Mk.III Xtra, and keep
> returning to it as a possibility, albeit at the light end of the
> spectrum. Being as realistic as possible (I'll get over it), most of
> my flying will be local pattern work and $100 hamburger flights, with
> a few weekend cross-countries for variety. Less likely, though
> important in my wife's mind are occasional long (e.g., Seattle-Santa
> Rosa) flights, and the once-in-a-lifetime hajj to Oshkosh.
>
>
> From what little info I've been able to pick up from the Kolb site and
> Kitplanes annual index, it looks like a winner for the local flights
> with my wife and me. From the pictures, there might be enough baggage
> room/payload left over (neither of us are featherweights), for an
> overnight bag for the weekend/overnight jaunts. I suspect that it
> lacks the payload and baggage for two people on an extended
> cross-country though.
>
>
> So, regarding the Mk.III Xtra,
>
> * What does it have in the way of baggage space/capacity?
>
> * Have there been clever ways of extending the baggage space (e.g.,
> external pod)
>
> * What are people's experiences using (or trying to use) it for long
> X-C with 2 people?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Doug Girling
>
>
> --
>
> "N-Gauge!"
>
> - Jean Luc Picard
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> DOUG
>
> My Name is Greg Allison and i own a mark111 extra there is ton and ton
of space to carry bags in it. the addition of the alum tank that travis
and donnie sell at new kolb allows me to take enough baggage for my wife
and me for a week if she doesnt wont to take the bathroom sink.
>
>
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| Subject: | VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing |
Here is a video of my Kolb MK III Xtra and its performance gain with VG's in Stalls,
Slow Flight, Turns, and a 43 MPH flare to landing.
http://www.vimeo.com/1480667
We all know Kolbs fly very well without Vortex Generators on the wings, better
than most planes in its class. But then again, if you put 39 dollar tires on
a Ferrari, it would still drive very nicely, and still beat most other cars...
But take the cheap tires off the Ferrari and put on performance tires and it
becomes a totally different and better car in every way. You would not pay
200,000 dollars on a Ferrari and then put cheap tires on it would you ?
We fly Kolbs for their docile predictable flight qualities, their good slow speed
handling, and short field capabilities. The Kolbs fly very well stock, but
you do not realize the full potential of a Kolb until you put VG's on it. As
you see in the video, the Kolb becomes a much more capable, much nicer flying
airplane with VG's installed. Installing VG's is the best single thing you
can do to improve your Kolb, and it only takes 100 bucks and several hours to
do !!! Getting the most out of your Kolb is great, but the added safety is just
Icing on the Cake here !!! VG's take 10 MPH off the touchdown speed of my
Kolb... If you have an engine failure and are going to land in a Plowed field,
or in trees, would you rather hit at 40 MPH, or 30 MPH, the safety difference
is HUGE.
Once in a while we hear of a report where someone says they tried VG's, but that they did not work well... Look at the picture below to see how perfectly the VG's are installed on my Kolb. Like everything in aviation, the construction, size, shape, and installation of VG must be VERY PRECISE. If you screw up the installation, they might work, but not nearly as well as they should. If anyone is considering this, take your time doing the install as perfectly as humanly possible, it will be well worth the effort. You can get VG's at www.landshorter.com
Happy Flying and be safe,
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing |
At 04:05 PM 8/6/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Here is a video of my Kolb MK III Xtra and its performance gain with VG's
in Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, and a 43 MPH flare to landing.
>
>http://www.vimeo.com/1480667
>
Mike,
You make good videos
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | safety experiment |
Mike- Your VG demo tape was very informative for my purposes. The angle of attack
at 30 mph was much greater than my Firestar was when parked. With you weighing
in at 1000 lbs., and me at 475, it tells all of us just how close to an
unintentional lift-off even a slow taxi could be- and especially with no ground
speed indication.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: Absolutely the easiest way to refuel |
At 06:22 AM 8/5/2008, you wrote:
>Lovely pic. I have printed it off and have it up on my office wall.
>Hope I don`t owe you any royalties.
>
>Pat
I like it too.
Very hard to get good pictures like that - even harder to get good videos
over here with all the environmentalist jibberish and what not.
I had to shoot this one several times just to get one
decent "shot".
Waste of good paint balls - not to mention the ducks.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3332959675243080981
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing |
Nice video you made.
I sold my Kolb recently and just found a set of LandShorter VG's that I had purchased
last winter during the "Winter" VG debate. I never got around to installing
them.
My $.02 on the VG's, I assume they enhance the performance on the Kolb, that is
why I ordered them. The plane flew fine w/o but why not make it fly better.
I have them on my Cessna 340 and would not fly it w/o them. I had a set of Micro
VG put on Citabria I bought this summer and .... WOW
I still have been hanging out here watching you guys banter back and forth, seems
everyone is dug in hard, but what else is new.
If anyone would like a deal on a set of LandShorter VG's, contact me off-list.
Fly Safe Kolbsters,
Jim
Jim O'Day - Fargo, ND
former FS II owner
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| Subject: | Re: best Kolb (Air Bags) |
In a message dated 7/30/2008 5:27:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
tkrolfe@toast.net writes:
> I have been listening to you guys bicker about VDs or something for
> too long now. I think you have just about covered it. If someone
> wants to try them, try em. I dont care. I am of the consensus that
> they probably would not help my Slingshot much and besides, I trailer
> my plane pretty often with wing bags and I think the porqupine things
> would cut up the bags.
Ted,
I am interested in the air bags you are using to trailer your Kolb
wings. Could you please tell us in detail what kind of bags you use and where
you
got them from . Also how you go about using them.Do You completely remove the
wings or not?
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