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1. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: My brave son = my first passenger (robert bean)
2. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (possums)
3. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (Steven Green)
4. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (possums)
5. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (robert bean)
6. 06:21 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (John Hauck)
7. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (possums)
8. 07:09 PM - tube length (william sullivan)
9. 07:22 PM - Re: tube length (possums)
10. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (John Hauck)
11. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (possums)
12. 11:16 PM - Re: Kolb Design (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: My brave son = my first passenger |
Jimmy, she got the PP!
BB
On 9, Aug 2008, at 8:16 PM, Jimmy Young wrote:
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> Cristal,
>
> That's a really good post, nice to hear. By the way,
> congratulations on getting your SP ticket as well.
>
> Jimmy Young
> Houston
> FS II
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
At 05:45 AM 8/8/2008, you wrote:
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>If you want to email me the file i'll be happy to make it a more
>reasonable size[but higher quality than youtube] and host it on my
>site for a while. icrashrc at aol dot com
>
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>Scott
Let me do a spin or something (I think that would be pretty safe).
It's a neat little camera.
Here's just some turns -
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
Ross,
These numbers are significantly different from mine. What is your full
throttle straight and level numbers?
My M3/912S turns about 5150 at 80 mph. Full throttle straight and level
is about 5580 at 95 mph.
Steven Green
M3 912S
----- Original Message -----
From: ross richardson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight,
Turns, Landing
Right now on my M III/ul912 in calm air I run 65-70 mph at 3700 rpm 80
mph at 4000-4200 rpm with out any VG's.
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
Who's done a spin in a Kolb? I know how to do one but.
How does it feel - I don't think I would like the semi upside down
feeling....but should be no G problem.
John H.......? When you were younger & dumber? How did it feel?
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
as in real estate: location, location , location
now substitute propeller, propeller, propeller
-more important than anything, including VGs, drag, pilot's
apparel.........
BB
On 10, Aug 2008, at 8:23 PM, Steven Green wrote:
> Ross,
>
> These numbers are significantly different from mine. What is your
> full throttle straight and level numbers?
>
> My M3/912S turns about 5150 at 80 mph. Full throttle straight and
> level is about 5580 at 95 mph.
>
> Steven Green
> M3 912S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ross richardson
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow
> Flight, Turns, Landing
>
> Right now on my M III/ul912 in calm air I run 65-70 mph at 3700 rpm
> 80 mph at 4000-4200 rpm with out any VG's.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
> Who's done a spin in a Kolb? I know how to do one but.
> How does it feel - I don't think I would like the semi upside down
> feeling....but should be no G problem.
> John H.......? When you were younger & dumber? How did it feel?
Possum:
Kolbs spin. Some better than others.
Feels like a spin, very vertical, almost like a spiral.
Immediate recovery.
However, with Fergy wings and differently configured fuselage, I don't know
how your aircraft will react.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
>>John H.......? When you were younger & dumber? How did it feel?
>Possum:
>Kolbs spin. Some better than others.
>Feels like a spin, very vertical, almost like a spiral.
>Immeiate recovery.
>However, with Fergy wings and differently configured fuselage, I
>don't know how your aircraft will react.
>
>john h
I've got Kolb ribs/wings thick & flat bottomed (this things 10 years
old) ...so I think it will not be so different from yours - just for
the camera anyway.
Got 8 ribs (slingshot) instead of your "old five rib" machine & got
alum angle braces on all of them.
I may put the back struts on just to keep the wings from twisting.
Just wondered how it feels the first time, it's hard to make it go
into a spin anyway, seems like you got to
keep every thing cross controlled to even get it to turn once?
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Possums- I just looked at the photos you posted. What is the overall length
of your main fuselage tube? It looks a little shorter than usual.
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
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At 10:09 PM 8/10/2008, you wrote:
> Possums- I just looked at the photos you posted. What is the
> overall length of your main fuselage tube? It looks a little
> shorter than usual.
>
>do not archive
> Bill Sullivan
I cut a few inches off the tube, but my tail area is bigger the than yours.
Be careful when you do that.
The shorter the coupling (distance between the main gear and
the tail wheel) , the squirrelier the plane is.
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
> I've got Kolb ribs/wings thick & flat bottomed (this things 10 years
> old) ...so I think it will not be so different from yours - just for
> the camera anyway.
> Got 8 ribs (slingshot) instead of your "old five rib" machine & got
> alum angle braces on all of them.
> I may put the back struts on just to keep the wings from twisting.
> Just wondered how it feels the first time, it's hard to make it go
> into a spin anyway, seems like you got to
> keep every thing cross controlled to even get it to turn once?
>
>
Possum:
My boo boo. I related the photos you posted of Fergy ribs to the ribs and
wing panels on your aircraft.
To spin my Kolbs, I pull the nose up high with power at idle, full left or
right rudder, and full aft stick just as it stalls. Hold it until you are
ready to recover. Usually, relaxing the controls will recover the aircraft.
My original FS would only spin one half turn at idle. It would recover with
the controls crossed up and locked. During some experimentation doing
engine off aerobatics, I did a spin. The little FS spun up like a top.
The MKIII loses a lot more altitude than the FS. That was quite a surprise
first time I spun it.
One will have to work at getting a Kolb into an unintentional spin.
However, I am sure there are those out there that can probably get
themselves into one. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, |
Landing
>
>Possum:
>My boo boo. I related the photos you posted of Fergy ribs to the
>ribs and wing panels on your aircraft.
>To spin my Kolbs, I pull the nose up high with power at idle, full
>left or right rudder, and full aft stick just as it stalls. Hold it
>until you are ready to recover. Usually, relaxing the controls will
>recover the aircraft.
>My original FS would only spin one half turn at idle. It would
>recover with the controls crossed up and locked. During some
>experimentation doing engine off aerobatics, I did a spin. The
>little FS spun up like a top.
>The MKIII loses a lot more altitude than the FS. That was quite a
>surprise first time I spun it.
>One will have to work at getting a Kolb into an unintentional spin.
>However, I am sure there are those out there that can probably get
>themselves into one. ;-)
>john h
So I gotta turn my engine off to do one??
I watched Rett Radford (Aubrey's son) do it from 1500 ft down to 200 ft over
the Air Acres airstrip - cutting a toilet paper roll all the way down
& then turn straight down the runway.
He said there was no G load on the wings & it was safer then a loop.
Of course, I watched him do loops & hammerheads too.
Belive it or not, I watch him throw out a bag of flower at the top of
a loop - do a
loop & hit the bag at the bottom of the loop. ...but I'm guessing
that was just luck. The good ole days.
Also his Dad died doing the same stuff in a 5 rib Firestar at an
Airshow. Overloaded etc. but still?
I've never done a loop on purpose.
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The new wingtips Kolb came out with on the MK III this year will make a huge difference,
should lower the stall speed a lot, and improve glide. Not only due
to the wingtip itself, but the extra 2 feet of true airfoil on each wing that
was until now flattened out as part of the bow wingtip.
The new wingtip along with a longer effective span wing will improve things a lot
in the new Kolbs. From reading John Hauck's flight reports, I would not hesitate
to modify my Kolb MK III wings to use the new wingtips.
I would think it would also pay big benefits to use droop wingtips for the smaller
Kolbs such as the firestar and the firefly. Its an easy upgrade to the kit,
I wonder if they have considered that ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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