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1. 07:34 AM - VG update (VICTOR PETERS)
2. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (Dana Hague)
3. 11:02 AM - Re: VG update (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
4. 11:17 AM - Re: safety experiment (R. Hankins)
5. 12:32 PM - New Firestar/Firefly nose cone (Dale Atchetee)
6. 01:26 PM - Kolb... Mark III w/o flap (ross richardson)
7. 01:47 PM - Re: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap (John Hauck)
8. 02:24 PM - safety experiment (william sullivan)
9. 02:45 PM - Re: safety experiment (Dana Hague)
10. 03:21 PM - Re: static thrust question (gliderx5@comcast.net)
11. 04:01 PM - Re: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone (Ed Chmielewski)
12. 09:21 PM - Re: safety experiment (DAquaNut@aol.com)
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Since everyon is posting #'s
1.1 hrs legal instruction MKIII xtra 912ul 590lbs empty
132 vg's on wing tip to tip including gap seal
Parallel on vertical stab 2" apart
200lb pilot, calm air, 75 deg.
Power off stall 37 ias 35 flaps
39 ias power on
100 ias WOT (5600 rpm) 400lbs of pilot and passenger, full fuel(10 gals)
Stall with 2, 45 ias power off
No more yank to left with power eased up on takeoff.
Pre vg's needed a little right rudder in level flight.
Now, slight to no left rudder needed. I'm just guessing but vgs must be
helping
trim tab work.
Landed 60 mph over the fence, forgot to look at touchdown.
It was so smooth that if the tires hadn't chirped you would'nt know you
had landed.
So Ellery you don't have to dive at the runway.
Especially with a mile of asphalt, not to be confused with ass fault,
thats just a crack.
Tickled in Maine
Vic
N740VP
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| Subject: | Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, |
Turns, Landing
At 11:12 PM 8/10/2008, possums wrote:
>I've never done a loop on purpose.
You mean you've done one unintentionally?
-Dana
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In a message dated 8/11/2008 10:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
vicsv@verizon.net writes:
Especially with a mile of asphalt, not to be confused with ass fault, that's
just a crack.
Vic
That's a good one. hahaha
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: safety experiment |
Bill,
I can't help but notice that you have mentioned ground speed several times in connection
with your unintentional lift-off. This line of thinking can get one
in trouble. It is airspeed and airspeed only that will lift you off of the ground.
I have landed in gusty winds and had a wing come up at no more than walking
speed. I have watched my firestar lift off a few inches for several seconds
at a time while tied to the cables on the ramp at Lakeview, Oregon. Zero
ground speed, but flying! A ground speed indicator is only valuable if you know
the headwind component and consider the resulting airspeed. The Wright Bro's.
did a lot of high wind flying in 1902 with gliders tethered to the ground
like kites; Zero ground speed, but flying.
Don't get too caught up in ground speed, think about how fast the air is traveling
over the wings.
Just a thought,
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Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| Subject: | New Firestar/Firefly nose cone |
Guys, been lurking here for a while, don't have a Firestar anymore, but I
have a new Firestar/Firefly nose cone that I would like to sell. I acquired
it in the original Kolb box and didn't open it for a long time. When I did
open it, it shows two places where the fiberglass had been flexed to the
point the gel coat cracked on the outside probably from shipping damage. The
fiberglass is not cracked or broken and once the cone is mounted it cannot
flex so filling the cracks with gel coat and sanding off would be the
correct repair.
I will take $240 and $18 shipping. 361-648-8821 wzyteck@gmail.com
Dale
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| Subject: | Kolb... Mark III w/o flap |
Is there any one flying a mark III with out flaps and just longer ailerons?
Have you had any problems with two people and nose heavy?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap |
Ross:
No fair asking more questions before you answer other folks questions.
If anyone is flying a mkIII without flaps and longer ailerons, it is becaus
e they modified the aircraft to that configuration. All mkIII kits were co
nfigured with ailerons and flaps.
We still want to know how your mkIII flies so fast compared to ours.
john h
mkIII
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From: ross richardson
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap
Is there any one flying a mark III with out flaps and just longer aileron
s? Have you had any problems with two people and nose heavy?
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| Subject: | safety experiment |
Roger- You hit the nail on the head. I was given to understand that the ASI
would not work at lower air speeds (turns out mine didn't work at all), so the
only frame of reference would be a comparable ground speed. This would apply
only in a low or no wind condition. Would a Hall's ASI work for slow air speeds?
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: safety experiment |
At 05:23 PM 8/11/2008, william sullivan wrote:
> Roger- You hit the nail on the head. I was given to understand that
> the ASI would not work at lower air speeds (turns out mine didn't work at
> all), so the only frame of reference would be a comparable ground
> speed. This would apply only in a low or no wind condition. Would a
> Hall's ASI work for slow air speeds?
It depends on the ASI, you should have no trouble finding one that reads
down to well below stall speed, which is all you really need. Mine (a
conventional round type) reads 20-80 mph, though the needle goes a bit
below the 20 mark. The Hall meters start at 7 mph, which means 10 mph is
probably a reasonable minimum indication.
Groundspeed is MEANINGLESS. Even if you know the surface wind speed, it'll
be different even at 25' of altitude. The only value of GPS speed is
estimating arrival time on cross countries, or as a sanity check (not an
accurate calibration!) of your ASI if the wind is steady.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: static thrust question |
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| Subject: | Re: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone |
Hi,
Anyone know if this nosecone will fit a MkII? Thanx!
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Atchetee
To: Kolb
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone
Guys, been lurking here for a while, don't have a Firestar anymore,
but I have a new Firestar/Firefly nose cone that I would like to sell. I
acquired it in the original Kolb box and didn't open it for a long time.
When I did open it, it shows two places where the fiberglass had been
flexed to the point the gel coat cracked on the outside probably from
shipping damage. The fiberglass is not cracked or broken and once the
cone is mounted it cannot flex so filling the cracks with gel coat and
sanding off would be the correct repair.
I will take $240 and $18 shipping. 361-648-8821 wzyteck@gmail.com
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: safety experiment |
In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:24:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
williamtsullivan@att.net writes:
Would a Hall's ASI work for slow air speeds?
BILL
I would trust the Halls over any other ASI. They just look a little out
of place on a Kolb. I had one on my Firefly until I go a Winter ASI. I had a
UMA ASI and it read about 20 mph off in spite of trying all the tricks J
Hart had on His Web Site. The winter is expensive but accurate! I listened to
John H. and I agree that Winter is the way to go !
Ed Diebel FF# 62 (in Hou.).
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