---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/11/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:34 AM - VG update (VICTOR PETERS) 2. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing (Dana Hague) 3. 11:02 AM - Re: VG update (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 4. 11:17 AM - Re: safety experiment (R. Hankins) 5. 12:32 PM - New Firestar/Firefly nose cone (Dale Atchetee) 6. 01:26 PM - Kolb... Mark III w/o flap (ross richardson) 7. 01:47 PM - Re: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap (John Hauck) 8. 02:24 PM - safety experiment (william sullivan) 9. 02:45 PM - Re: safety experiment (Dana Hague) 10. 03:21 PM - Re: static thrust question (gliderx5@comcast.net) 11. 04:01 PM - Re: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone (Ed Chmielewski) 12. 09:21 PM - Re: safety experiment (DAquaNut@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:22 AM PST US From: "VICTOR PETERS" Subject: Kolb-List: VG update Since everyon is posting #'s 1.1 hrs legal instruction MKIII xtra 912ul 590lbs empty 132 vg's on wing tip to tip including gap seal Parallel on vertical stab 2" apart 200lb pilot, calm air, 75 deg. Power off stall 37 ias 35 flaps 39 ias power on 100 ias WOT (5600 rpm) 400lbs of pilot and passenger, full fuel(10 gals) Stall with 2, 45 ias power off No more yank to left with power eased up on takeoff. Pre vg's needed a little right rudder in level flight. Now, slight to no left rudder needed. I'm just guessing but vgs must be helping trim tab work. Landed 60 mph over the fence, forgot to look at touchdown. It was so smooth that if the tires hadn't chirped you would'nt know you had landed. So Ellery you don't have to dive at the runway. Especially with a mile of asphalt, not to be confused with ass fault, thats just a crack. Tickled in Maine Vic N740VP ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:20 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: VG Performance Video: Stalls, Slow Flight, Turns, Landing At 11:12 PM 8/10/2008, possums wrote: >I've never done a loop on purpose. You mean you've done one unintentionally? -Dana do not archive -- Assassins do it from behind. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:35 AM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: VG update In a message dated 8/11/2008 10:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vicsv@verizon.net writes: Especially with a mile of asphalt, not to be confused with ass fault, that's just a crack. Vic That's a good one. hahaha Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:03 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: safety experiment From: "R. Hankins" Bill, I can't help but notice that you have mentioned ground speed several times in connection with your unintentional lift-off. This line of thinking can get one in trouble. It is airspeed and airspeed only that will lift you off of the ground. I have landed in gusty winds and had a wing come up at no more than walking speed. I have watched my firestar lift off a few inches for several seconds at a time while tied to the cables on the ramp at Lakeview, Oregon. Zero ground speed, but flying! A ground speed indicator is only valuable if you know the headwind component and consider the resulting airspeed. The Wright Bro's. did a lot of high wind flying in 1902 with gliders tethered to the ground like kites; Zero ground speed, but flying. Don't get too caught up in ground speed, think about how fast the air is traveling over the wings. Just a thought, -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197936#197936 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:01 PM PST US From: "Dale Atchetee" Subject: Kolb-List: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone Guys, been lurking here for a while, don't have a Firestar anymore, but I have a new Firestar/Firefly nose cone that I would like to sell. I acquired it in the original Kolb box and didn't open it for a long time. When I did open it, it shows two places where the fiberglass had been flexed to the point the gel coat cracked on the outside probably from shipping damage. The fiberglass is not cracked or broken and once the cone is mounted it cannot flex so filling the cracks with gel coat and sanding off would be the correct repair. I will take $240 and $18 shipping. 361-648-8821 wzyteck@gmail.com Dale ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:12 PM PST US From: ross richardson Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap Is there any one flying a mark III with out flaps and just longer ailerons? Have you had any problems with two people and nose heavy? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:56 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap Ross: No fair asking more questions before you answer other folks questions. If anyone is flying a mkIII without flaps and longer ailerons, it is becaus e they modified the aircraft to that configuration. All mkIII kits were co nfigured with ailerons and flaps. We still want to know how your mkIII flies so fast compared to ours. john h mkIII ----- Original Message ----- From: ross richardson To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb... Mark III w/o flap Is there any one flying a mark III with out flaps and just longer aileron s? Have you had any problems with two people and nose heavy? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:26 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: safety experiment Roger- You hit the nail on the head. I was given to understand that the ASI would not work at lower air speeds (turns out mine didn't work at all), so the only frame of reference would be a comparable ground speed. This would apply only in a low or no wind condition. Would a Hall's ASI work for slow air speeds? Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:42 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety experiment At 05:23 PM 8/11/2008, william sullivan wrote: > Roger- You hit the nail on the head. I was given to understand that > the ASI would not work at lower air speeds (turns out mine didn't work at > all), so the only frame of reference would be a comparable ground > speed. This would apply only in a low or no wind condition. Would a > Hall's ASI work for slow air speeds? It depends on the ASI, you should have no trouble finding one that reads down to well below stall speed, which is all you really need. Mine (a conventional round type) reads 20-80 mph, though the needle goes a bit below the 20 mark. The Hall meters start at 7 mph, which means 10 mph is probably a reasonable minimum indication. Groundspeed is MEANINGLESS. Even if you know the surface wind speed, it'll be different even at 25' of altitude. The only value of GPS speed is estimating arrival time on cross countries, or as a sanity check (not an accurate calibration!) of your ASI if the wind is steady. -Dana -- The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:20 PM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: static thrust question ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:13 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone Hi, Anyone know if this nosecone will fit a MkII? Thanx! Ed in JXN MkII/503 Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Atchetee To: Kolb Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Kolb-List: New Firestar/Firefly nose cone Guys, been lurking here for a while, don't have a Firestar anymore, but I have a new Firestar/Firefly nose cone that I would like to sell. I acquired it in the original Kolb box and didn't open it for a long time. When I did open it, it shows two places where the fiberglass had been flexed to the point the gel coat cracked on the outside probably from shipping damage. The fiberglass is not cracked or broken and once the cone is mounted it cannot flex so filling the cracks with gel coat and sanding off would be the correct repair. I will take $240 and $18 shipping. 361-648-8821 wzyteck@gmail.com Dale ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:28 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety experiment In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:24:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, williamtsullivan@att.net writes: Would a Hall's ASI work for slow air speeds? BILL I would trust the Halls over any other ASI. They just look a little out of place on a Kolb. I had one on my Firefly until I go a Winter ASI. I had a UMA ASI and it read about 20 mph off in spite of trying all the tricks J Hart had on His Web Site. The winter is expensive but accurate! I listened to John H. and I agree that Winter is the way to go ! Ed Diebel FF# 62 (in Hou.). **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. 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