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1. 05:38 AM - 582 Running Hot (Tom O'Hara)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Weight and balance (grantr)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: 582 Running Hot (Jack B. Hart)
4. 07:11 AM - Re: 582 Running Hot (John Hauck)
5. 07:17 AM - Re: 582 Running Hot (John Hauck)
6. 10:03 AM - Rotax 906? (Dana Hague)
7. 10:34 AM - Rotax 906? (william sullivan)
8. 05:33 PM - USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 (John Hauck)
9. 05:42 PM - Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 (John Hauck)
10. 05:47 PM - Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 (John Hauck)
11. 06:18 PM - Re: 582 Running Hot (Steven Green)
12. 06:25 PM - Re: Hose Clamp Safety Wire (Steven Green)
13. 06:51 PM - Re: Rotax 906? (Denny Rowe)
14. 06:54 PM - Re: Rotax 906? (Denny Rowe)
15. 07:26 PM - Re: Hose Clamp Safety Wire (John Hauck)
16. 08:04 PM - Re: Rotax 906? (Jim Hauck)
17. 08:36 PM - john hauck back country airstrips pics (Arksey@AOL.COM)
18. 08:49 PM - Re: john hauck back country airstrips pics (John Hauck)
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I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased with a
582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high. Yesterday
at 62 ambient I had a great flight (160degrees)but had it been 72 I would have
been up at 180 with the light flashing. Seems that a lot of you are down south
at that you probably only have two days a year down at 62--LOL. At 78 ambient,
if I stay in the pattern, I will be at 180 half way into the downwind leg-5500rpm.
I have two radiators (VW?). They both measure roughly 12.5"x4.5"x1.25. Thermosat
is set to open at 146. Coolant is protected down to 0F-- where I want it for
the winter.
Do most of you have 3 radiators? Is anti-freeze ratio too high? What else to check?
Thanks for helping me-- on probably an obvious problem. Pics are attached.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198540#198540
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080112_570.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance |
Emailed to you.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198541#198541
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Running Hot |
At 05:37 AM 8/14/08 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased with a
582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high. Yesterday
at 62 ambient I had a great flight (160degrees)but had it been 72 I would have
been up at 180 with the light flashing. Seems that a lot of you are down south
at that you probably only have two days a year down at 62--LOL. At 78 ambient,
if I stay in the pattern, I will be at 180 half way into the downwind leg-5500rpm.
>
>I have two radiators (VW?). They both measure roughly 12.5"x4.5"x1.25. Thermosat
is set to open at 146. Coolant is protected down to 0F-- where I want it
for the winter.
>
>Do most of you have 3 radiators? Is anti-freeze ratio too high? What else to
check?
>
>Thanks for helping me-- on probably an obvious problem. Pics are attached.
>
Tom,
Can't help you with the temp problem. Looking at your photos, I noticed
that none of the hose clamps are safetied. It might be a good thing to do.
I have fried one engine for the lack of a hose clamp safety.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Running Hot |
>
> I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased
> with a 582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high.
Tom O:
I don't know if this is your problem or not, but I noticed air in the vent
tube.
Been a while since I flew with a 582, but seems to me that venting all air
from the system was imperative to get the cooling system to operate
correctly. Of course, my 582 was much older than the blue head 582's. I
think there was a way to vent air from the cylinder head on the older 582's.
Back in the old days, 1993, Rotax recommended a 75 to 80% antifreeze
solution. First cross country flight to Lakeland my coolant temps were very
high. When I got to Lakeland I dumped the antifreeze and refilled with
straight distilled water. Coolant temps came down quite a bit.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Running Hot |
> Can't help you with the temp problem. Looking at your photos, I noticed
> that none of the hose clamps are safetied. It might be a good thing to
> do.
> I have fried one engine for the lack of a hose clamp safety.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack H:
How do you safety a hose clamp?
I have a multitude of hose clamps on my airplane, coolant, oil, and fuel
hoses. None of them are safetied. None have failed.
What kind of hose clamp failed on your engine? There are a multitude of
different makes and styles of hose clamps in use on airplanes, tractors,
trucks, cars, etc.
john h
mkIII
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On another list, I saw mention of a Rotax 906 engine from the 1980's...
seems it was a two cylinder, 35hp, 75lb four stroke engine. I presume it
never saw production, what a pity! Would've been a great alternative to
the Cuyuna or 447 on the smaller Kolbs. I wonder whatever happened to it?
http://delta.wtr.ru/files/rotax906.jpg
Might be time for Rotax to revisit it, with the resurgence of interest in
103 legal ultralights.
-Dana
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Dana- Very interesting. Did you try to get ahold of Fisher? Could be it was too
expensive, considering their prices on 2 strokes.
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 |
Hi Gang:
John W and I spent a day flying some of the back country strips in Idaho,
May 2008. These photos were taken by John W.
This one is at Upper Loon Creek, Idaho. That little airplane is N101AB and
me on left downwind for 22. This is the first strip we landed.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 |
That's 101AB landing at Bernard Creek, Idaho. It was rough and dusty.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 |
The wind blew like this for three days. John W spent an hour trying to
catch the needle when it hit 55 mph. No, we did not fly in this wind. We
hunkered down at the airport at Ontario, Oregon.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: 582 Running Hot |
Tom,
I had the same problem with my 582-blue on hot days and long climbs. The
attached photos show what I did to eliminate the problem.
Steven
M3 912
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom O'Hara" <tohara@alphagraphics.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot
>
> I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased
> with a 582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high.
> Yesterday at 62 ambient I had a great flight (160degrees)but had it been
> 72 I would have been up at 180 with the light flashing. Seems that a lot
> of you are down south at that you probably only have two days a year down
> at 62--LOL. At 78 ambient, if I stay in the pattern, I will be at 180
> half way into the downwind leg-5500rpm.
>
> I have two radiators (VW?). They both measure roughly 12.5"x4.5"x1.25.
> Thermosat is set to open at 146. Coolant is protected down to 0F-- where
> I want it for the winter.
>
> Do most of you have 3 radiators? Is anti-freeze ratio too high? What else
> to check?
>
> Thanks for helping me-- on probably an obvious problem. Pics are
> attached.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198540#198540
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080110_147.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080112_570.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080113_124.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hose Clamp Safety Wire |
> How do you safety a hose clamp?
>
> I have a multitude of hose clamps on my airplane, coolant, oil, and fuel
> hoses. None of them are safetied. None have failed.
>
> What kind of hose clamp failed on your engine? There are a multitude of
> different makes and styles of hose clamps in use on airplanes, tractors,
> trucks, cars, etc.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Would've been a great alternative to
> the Cuyuna or 447 on the smaller Kolbs. I wonder whatever happened to it?
>
> http://delta.wtr.ru/files/rotax906.jpg
>
> Might be time for Rotax to revisit it, with the resurgence of interest in
> 103 legal ultralights.
>
> -Dana
> --
Dana,
That is cool!
No doubt was a forerunner to the 912 series and Rotax must have decided to
go bigger and wound up with the 912.
Sometime in between it got more complicated with the liquid cooled heads.
Denny Rowe
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----- Original Message -----
From: william sullivan
To: kolb list
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 906?
Dana- Very interesting. Did you try to get ahold of Fisher? Could be
it was too expensive, considering their prices on 2 strokes.
do not archive
Bill Sullivan
Bill,Mike Fisher sold his company years ago to the folks who run it
now.Mike would be the guy who would know the story of what happened to
that little engine.Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Hose Clamp Safety Wire |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Green" <Kolbdriver@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hose Clamp Safety Wire
Hi Steven G:
Thanks for the tip.
Why did you safety the hose clamps? Did you have a problem with one
loosening up?
john h
mkIII
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Y'all;
I believe the engine was a 508 which was a 4 stroke which Rotax had on the
market around '91 or '92.
Jim Hauck
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| Subject: | john hauck back country airstrips pics |
John thanks for posting the pictures of the airstrips. some country and
airports. Good place to test a Kolb. I have just started reading a book "Tall
Timber Pilots" by Dale White & Larry Florek, it is about Bob Johnson who started
Johnson flying service in Missoula, Montana in 1924. He and his brother flew
back into those back country airstrips summer and winter, also up into
Idaho. I will bring the book to the Kolb homecomming and give it to you to read.
I
am sure you will enjoy it.
do not archive
Jim swan, firestar, 503, N663S, Mich.
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| Subject: | Re: john hauck back country airstrips pics |
Hi Jim S:
Looking forward to seeing you and all the other Kolb folks at the Homecomin
g.
I sure had a good time last year and am ready to do it again this year.
Hope Homer can make it again this year.
john h
mkIII
I will bring the book to the Kolb homecomming and give it to you to read
. I am sure you will enjoy it.
Jim swan, firestar, 503, N663S, Mich.
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