---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/14/08: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - 582 Running Hot (Tom O'Hara) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: Weight and balance (grantr) 3. 06:53 AM - Re: 582 Running Hot (Jack B. Hart) 4. 07:11 AM - Re: 582 Running Hot (John Hauck) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: 582 Running Hot (John Hauck) 6. 10:03 AM - Rotax 906? (Dana Hague) 7. 10:34 AM - Rotax 906? (william sullivan) 8. 05:33 PM - USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 (John Hauck) 9. 05:42 PM - Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 (John Hauck) 10. 05:47 PM - Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 (John Hauck) 11. 06:18 PM - Re: 582 Running Hot (Steven Green) 12. 06:25 PM - Re: Hose Clamp Safety Wire (Steven Green) 13. 06:51 PM - Re: Rotax 906? (Denny Rowe) 14. 06:54 PM - Re: Rotax 906? (Denny Rowe) 15. 07:26 PM - Re: Hose Clamp Safety Wire (John Hauck) 16. 08:04 PM - Re: Rotax 906? (Jim Hauck) 17. 08:36 PM - john hauck back country airstrips pics (Arksey@AOL.COM) 18. 08:49 PM - Re: john hauck back country airstrips pics (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot From: "Tom O'Hara" I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased with a 582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high. Yesterday at 62 ambient I had a great flight (160degrees)but had it been 72 I would have been up at 180 with the light flashing. Seems that a lot of you are down south at that you probably only have two days a year down at 62--LOL. At 78 ambient, if I stay in the pattern, I will be at 180 half way into the downwind leg-5500rpm. I have two radiators (VW?). They both measure roughly 12.5"x4.5"x1.25. Thermosat is set to open at 146. Coolant is protected down to 0F-- where I want it for the winter. Do most of you have 3 radiators? Is anti-freeze ratio too high? What else to check? Thanks for helping me-- on probably an obvious problem. Pics are attached. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198540#198540 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080110_147.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080112_570.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080113_124.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Weight and balance From: "grantr" Emailed to you. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198541#198541 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:41 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot At 05:37 AM 8/14/08 -0700, you wrote: > >I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased with a 582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high. Yesterday at 62 ambient I had a great flight (160degrees)but had it been 72 I would have been up at 180 with the light flashing. Seems that a lot of you are down south at that you probably only have two days a year down at 62--LOL. At 78 ambient, if I stay in the pattern, I will be at 180 half way into the downwind leg-5500rpm. > >I have two radiators (VW?). They both measure roughly 12.5"x4.5"x1.25. Thermosat is set to open at 146. Coolant is protected down to 0F-- where I want it for the winter. > >Do most of you have 3 radiators? Is anti-freeze ratio too high? What else to check? > >Thanks for helping me-- on probably an obvious problem. Pics are attached. > Tom, Can't help you with the temp problem. Looking at your photos, I noticed that none of the hose clamps are safetied. It might be a good thing to do. I have fried one engine for the lack of a hose clamp safety. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:55 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot > > I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased > with a 582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high. Tom O: I don't know if this is your problem or not, but I noticed air in the vent tube. Been a while since I flew with a 582, but seems to me that venting all air from the system was imperative to get the cooling system to operate correctly. Of course, my 582 was much older than the blue head 582's. I think there was a way to vent air from the cylinder head on the older 582's. Back in the old days, 1993, Rotax recommended a 75 to 80% antifreeze solution. First cross country flight to Lakeland my coolant temps were very high. When I got to Lakeland I dumped the antifreeze and refilled with straight distilled water. Coolant temps came down quite a bit. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:21 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot > Can't help you with the temp problem. Looking at your photos, I noticed > that none of the hose clamps are safetied. It might be a good thing to > do. > I have fried one engine for the lack of a hose clamp safety. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H: How do you safety a hose clamp? I have a multitude of hose clamps on my airplane, coolant, oil, and fuel hoses. None of them are safetied. None have failed. What kind of hose clamp failed on your engine? There are a multitude of different makes and styles of hose clamps in use on airplanes, tractors, trucks, cars, etc. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:19 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 906? On another list, I saw mention of a Rotax 906 engine from the 1980's... seems it was a two cylinder, 35hp, 75lb four stroke engine. I presume it never saw production, what a pity! Would've been a great alternative to the Cuyuna or 447 on the smaller Kolbs. I wonder whatever happened to it? http://delta.wtr.ru/files/rotax906.jpg Might be time for Rotax to revisit it, with the resurgence of interest in 103 legal ultralights. -Dana -- If there was any logic in this world, it would be men who ride side-saddle, not women. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:26 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 906? Dana- Very interesting. Did you try to get ahold of Fisher? Could be it was too expensive, considering their prices on 2 strokes. do not archive Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:41 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 Hi Gang: John W and I spent a day flying some of the back country strips in Idaho, May 2008. These photos were taken by John W. This one is at Upper Loon Creek, Idaho. That little airplane is N101AB and me on left downwind for 22. This is the first strip we landed. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:36 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 That's 101AB landing at Bernard Creek, Idaho. It was rough and dusty. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:05 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: USFS Back Country Airstrips, Idaho, May 2008 The wind blew like this for three days. John W spent an hour trying to catch the needle when it hit 55 mph. No, we did not fly in this wind. We hunkered down at the airport at Ontario, Oregon. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:41 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot Tom, I had the same problem with my 582-blue on hot days and long climbs. The attached photos show what I did to eliminate the problem. Steven M3 912 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hara" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: Kolb-List: 582 Running Hot > > I am a flyer not a builder and enjoy the MKIII Classic that I purchased > with a 582 blue. But, I have a problem. EIS temps seem to run too high. > Yesterday at 62 ambient I had a great flight (160degrees)but had it been > 72 I would have been up at 180 with the light flashing. Seems that a lot > of you are down south at that you probably only have two days a year down > at 62--LOL. At 78 ambient, if I stay in the pattern, I will be at 180 > half way into the downwind leg-5500rpm. > > I have two radiators (VW?). They both measure roughly 12.5"x4.5"x1.25. > Thermosat is set to open at 146. Coolant is protected down to 0F-- where > I want it for the winter. > > Do most of you have 3 radiators? Is anti-freeze ratio too high? What else > to check? > > Thanks for helping me-- on probably an obvious problem. Pics are > attached. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198540#198540 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080110_147.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080112_570.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8080113_124.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:58 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hose Clamp Safety Wire > How do you safety a hose clamp? > > I have a multitude of hose clamps on my airplane, coolant, oil, and fuel > hoses. None of them are safetied. None have failed. > > What kind of hose clamp failed on your engine? There are a multitude of > different makes and styles of hose clamps in use on airplanes, tractors, > trucks, cars, etc. > > john h > mkIII > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:24 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 906? ----- Would've been a great alternative to > the Cuyuna or 447 on the smaller Kolbs. I wonder whatever happened to it? > > http://delta.wtr.ru/files/rotax906.jpg > > Might be time for Rotax to revisit it, with the resurgence of interest in > 103 legal ultralights. > > -Dana > -- Dana, That is cool! No doubt was a forerunner to the 912 series and Rotax must have decided to go bigger and wound up with the 912. Sometime in between it got more complicated with the liquid cooled heads. Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:10 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 906? ----- Original Message ----- From: william sullivan To: kolb list Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 906? Dana- Very interesting. Did you try to get ahold of Fisher? Could be it was too expensive, considering their prices on 2 strokes. do not archive Bill Sullivan Bill,Mike Fisher sold his company years ago to the folks who run it now.Mike would be the guy who would know the story of what happened to that little engine.Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hose Clamp Safety Wire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Green" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hose Clamp Safety Wire Hi Steven G: Thanks for the tip. Why did you safety the hose clamps? Did you have a problem with one loosening up? john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:14 PM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax 906? Y'all; I believe the engine was a 508 which was a 4 stroke which Rotax had on the market around '91 or '92. Jim Hauck ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:00 PM PST US From: Arksey@AOL.COM Subject: Kolb-List: john hauck back country airstrips pics John thanks for posting the pictures of the airstrips. some country and airports. Good place to test a Kolb. I have just started reading a book "Tall Timber Pilots" by Dale White & Larry Florek, it is about Bob Johnson who started Johnson flying service in Missoula, Montana in 1924. He and his brother flew back into those back country airstrips summer and winter, also up into Idaho. I will bring the book to the Kolb homecomming and give it to you to read. I am sure you will enjoy it. do not archive Jim swan, firestar, 503, N663S, Mich. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: john hauck back country airstrips pics Hi Jim S: Looking forward to seeing you and all the other Kolb folks at the Homecomin g. I sure had a good time last year and am ready to do it again this year. Hope Homer can make it again this year. john h mkIII I will bring the book to the Kolb homecomming and give it to you to read . I am sure you will enjoy it. 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