---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/21/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:38 AM - Re: Re: Stuff (jerb) 2. 12:52 AM - Re: Re: Kolbra Owners? (jerb) 3. 05:19 AM - Fw: Steel Gear Legs (Denny Rowe) 4. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Stuff (possums) 5. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Kolbra Owners? (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 6. 12:32 PM - Re: Fw: Steel Gear Legs (Larry Cottrell) 7. 05:15 PM - Re: Steel Gear Legs (Coop) 8. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Steel Gear Legs (Denny Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:51 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stuff Ya Mike, I had the same thought. I watched the airspeed build up very rapidly and then a very rapid pull out on recovery - having aerobatic training and owned an aerobatic airplane (Citabria), that caught my attention. More for grins we actually had a G-meter in our FireFly - my partner wanted it. He paid for it, I had to squeeze it in along with large EIS, large diameter airspeed, and altimeter and a small electric variometer (VSI). Do you have any ideal how small the panel space is on a FireFly. It was fun to watch the VSI on climb out and try to get just right speed for max rate climb. It was also interesting what G's you encountered in that airplane. It was like a little red sports car. jerb At 10:54 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote: > >Oh my gawd ! I have never seen a Kolb flown like that... That was >pretty awesome, what kind of airspeed and G load did you pull out at >? All I can say is that you have some big brass ##### > >Mike > >-------- >"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as >you could have !!! > >Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199585#199585 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:29 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra Owners? Why not install a poor mans auto pilot - a light bungee cord (1/8-3/16" dia. cloth cover elastic bungee cord) with a half hitch looped around the stick. Position the bungee so it crosses the stick so it holds it in it's near neutral in flight position. You can move the loop right or left to adjust wing level - if it at a slight diagonal you can use it to adjust slight amount of stick forward or stick back pressure. We had one on the FireFly worked great. jerb At 11:50 AM 8/20/2008, you wrote: > > >Andy > >I also have a MKIIIC and came from general aviation. These planes >have a light wing loading that will get bounced around in thermals. >They also have very little mass combined with a fair amount of drag >that will catch people with GA experience off guard when you flair >for landing, They slow down VERY quickly. Every thing else is very >positive. The visibility is so wonderful you will never go back to GA. > >As for the center stick it has become very natural to me to fly with >it. The only down side is trying to fold maps on a cross country. It >sure would be nice to clamp that stick between my legs so I could >use two hands from time to time. I have watched people get in and >out of the dual stick MKIII and it is a chore but I'm sure you would >get used to that also. > >Also if you want to save yourself a bunch of money you can order the >VW mount and put a redrive VW on a MKIII C or X. It is too wide a >mount for the Kolbra. > >Rick Neilsen >Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC >MDA/AL" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:11 PM >Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra Owners? > > >>MDA/AL" >> >> >> >> >>"fencline" wrote: << I am considering buying a Kolbra or MarkIII. ... >>The only thing I remember not liking about the MarkIII was the control >>stick between the passenger and the pilot. Has anyone done a design with >>the control between the legs? >> >> >>Andy - >> >>I built my Mark-III Classic with the single central control stick. Like >>you, I was somewhat apprehensive about that setup because it was not >>exactly conventional. My only control stick experience was in Cubs and >>Champs, which are very conventional stick-between-your-legs airplanes. >>But in the 5 years I've been flying my Kolb, I've come to really >>appreciate the position of the stick. It falls very comfortably to the >>reach of your right hand, just outboard of the right knee, and it >>provides the full range of unobstructed side-to-side movement. The >>armrest between the seats is in the perfect position to support your arm >>while flying, making it quite comfortable. I like it. >> >>But, if you want the conventional dual stick setup, New Kolb offers that >>as an option. >> >><< Anyone else here gone from certificated aircraft to these lighter >>aircraft. Thoughts? Andy >> >> >>I hold a Private Pilot's license, but let my medical expire a couple of >>years ago when the new Sport Pilot rule came out. Been flying my Kolb >>as Sport Pilot ever since. Doesn't affect me much, as all my flying is >>recreational, and I don't feel as though I've lost any privileges or >>freedoms under Sport Pilot. I'm glad I can do my own maintenance and >>annuals - keeps the cost of my hobby reasonable. >> >>Dennis Kirby >>Mark-III, 912ul in >>Cedar Crest, NM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:54 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Steel Gear Legs Thanks again for everyones input, the legs are finished and at the powder coating shop, here is how it went. Bought two three foot long pieces of 5/8" hot rolled steel rod this morning. ($1.10 per foot) Found out they did not fit in the axle tubes so I went looking for my belt sander to reduce one end of each. Recalled a buddy borrowed it a few months back and since he lives 20 miles away and was at work I had to make do with my disk grinder and than cleaned the ends up by hand with a couple belts from the missing sander. Two hours later I had what I could have done in 5 minutes with the sander finished. Inserted the rods so they almost touched in the center under the fuselage, taped the rods so they would not slide in and out of the axle tubes, had the wife hold one gearleg in to the factory line while my son held the other. With the tail wheel blocked up about a foot I C-clamped a flat 1/4" thick aluminum plate to each rod making sure the plate was close to plumb. I figured as Jim H noted that the toe in and out will very slightly as I raise and lower the tail so I figure a foot high tail kind of split the difference. Also had the plane hanging from the ceiling so the wheels almost touched the ground. I'll skip all the cussing but I found you can use the original bolt holes in the gear sockets if you drill the front sides first, than insert a 1/4" bolt half way, next take a Sharpie and reach around behind and mark the back side through the hole in the fuselage. Now slide the gear leg out and center punch the Sharpie mark and drill it on the drill press. Reinsert the leg and run the drill through it from the front to clean it up a little. Sure would have done a lot less cussing if I had done this on both legs instead of only the second one! Anyway, its done and I can move on to other things that need done. Thanks again to all for your help. Denny, N616DR ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:15 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stuff At 03:37 AM 8/21/2008, you wrote: > >Ya Mike, >I had the same thought. I watched the airspeed build up very >rapidly and then a very rapid pull out on recovery - having >aerobatic training and owned an aerobatic airplane (Citabria), that >caught my attention. It wasn't that bad, the airspeed never got over 70 mph and doubt it ever got to 2 G's. Pull out was taking my foot off the left rudder. If I had put the stick back to neutral sooner it may not have even got to 1.5 G's ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:41 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra Owners? Jerb Thanks. A variation of that might just work. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:51 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra Owners? > > Why not install a poor mans auto pilot - a light bungee cord > (1/8-3/16" dia. cloth cover elastic bungee cord) with a half hitch > looped around the stick. Position the bungee so it crosses the stick > so it holds it in it's near neutral in flight position. You can move > the loop right or left to adjust wing level - if it at a slight > diagonal you can use it to adjust slight amount of stick forward or > stick back pressure. We had one on the FireFly worked great. > jerb > > At 11:50 AM 8/20/2008, you wrote: >> >> >>Andy >> >>I also have a MKIIIC and came from general aviation. These planes >>have a light wing loading that will get bounced around in thermals. >>They also have very little mass combined with a fair amount of drag >>that will catch people with GA experience off guard when you flair >>for landing, They slow down VERY quickly. Every thing else is very >>positive. The visibility is so wonderful you will never go back to GA. >> >>As for the center stick it has become very natural to me to fly with >>it. The only down side is trying to fold maps on a cross country. It >>sure would be nice to clamp that stick between my legs so I could >>use two hands from time to time. I have watched people get in and >>out of the dual stick MKIII and it is a chore but I'm sure you would >>get used to that also. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:24 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Steel Gear Legs ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Rowe the ground. "I'll skip all the cussing but I found you can use the original bolt holes in the gear sockets if you drill the front sides first, than insert a 1/4" bolt half way, next take a Sharpie and reach around behind and mark the back side through the hole in the fuselage. Now slide the gear leg out and center punch the Sharpie mark and drill it on the drill press. Reinsert the leg and run the drill through it from the front to clean it up a little. Sure would have done a lot less cussing if I had done this on both legs instead of only the second one! Anyway, its done and I can move on to other things that need done." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- For what it is worth, I found that my success in drilling that type of holes could be improved tremendously by putting your middle finger on the back side hole and then start drilling from the front. It is an old Farriers trick to keep the nail line on horse shoes straight. I don't know how it works, but it definitely does. Oh, don't forget to remove the finger before you drill all the way though. Larry C, Oregon ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Steel Gear Legs From: "Coop" Hey guys, While we are on gear legs...how far should I slide my Slingshot gear legs into the socket? The plans don't specify a length. Any help would be appreciated. By the way, thanks for the responses to the motor mount question I had much earlier. Called TNK and had them a couple of days later. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199851#199851 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:41 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Steel Gear Legs Coop, Can't help with the Slingshot gear leg info, but my Mk-3 legs had (insert to lines) on them from the factory. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coop" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Steel Gear Legs > > Hey guys, > > While we are on gear legs...how far should I slide my Slingshot gear legs > into the socket? The plans don't specify a length. Any help would be > appreciated. By the way, thanks for the responses to the motor mount > question I had much earlier. Called TNK and had them a couple of days > later. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199851#199851 > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 6:04 AM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.