---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/27/08: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:14 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (cristalclear13) 2. 05:20 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (Thom Riddle) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 4. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Jack B. Hart) 5. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Jack B. Hart) 6. 08:52 AM - Re: cross countrys (Tom Longo) 7. 09:06 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (cristalclear13) 8. 10:04 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL) 9. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 10. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 11. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 12. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 13. 10:40 AM - Re: cross countrys (JetPilot) 14. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Jack B. Hart) 15. 10:53 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (cristalclear13) 16. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Jim) 17. 12:31 PM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (cristalclear13) 18. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Jack B. Hart) 19. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 20. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Russ RKI Photo) 21. 04:05 PM - Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot (kmccune) 22. 05:25 PM - Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale (JetPilot) 23. 05:39 PM - Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale (JetPilot) 24. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale (william sullivan) 25. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: British Columbia By Kolb (DAquaNut@AOL.COM) 26. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale (John Hauck) 27. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: British Columbia By Kolb (John Hauck) 28. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale (thumb) 29. 07:17 PM - Total Time unopened engine? (Eugene Zimmerman) 30. 07:32 PM - Re: Flying Weather (Steven Green) 31. 08:06 PM - Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot (cristalclear13) 32. 08:49 PM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (lucien) 33. 09:38 PM - Re: (Long) Cross Country Dreams (TheWanderingWench) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:27 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "cristalclear13" John Hauck wrote: > Your airplane, two or > four stroke will run on 100LL. > If I already have automobile gas in my tanks can I just add the 100LL (or vice versa)? -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0877#200877 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "Thom Riddle" In addition to airnav.com and aeroplanner.com, both of which I use to good advantage, there is another, newer website that is really useful for flight planning. http://navmonster.com/ Check it out. Once you've specified your start and end point and see the map, be sure to check out all the other information automatically provided at each of the tabs at the top of the window. All very useful. -------- Thom Riddle CFI-SP Power Plant Mechanic N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Scratch any cynic, he said, and youll find a disappointed idealist. George Carlin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0878#200878 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:35 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > If I already have automobile gas in my tanks can I just add the 100LL (or > vice versa)? > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Mark II Twinstar Cristal: Yes, you can mix mogas and 100LL. I never had a problem back in my two stroke days, and I run both in my 912's. johnh mkIII ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:46 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams At 05:14 AM 8/27/08 -0700, you wrote: > >If I already have automobile gas in my tanks can I just add the 100LL (or vice versa)? > >-------- Cristal, It will run fine, but your fuel flow rate will increase with the use of 100LL. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:47 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams At 08:55 PM 8/26/08 -0700, you wrote: > >>From looking at the sectionals and sky vector it looks like I could airport hop between airports that have fuel without having too long of stretches. The longest stretches being at the beginning where I could easily call for someone to come help me if necessary. >I tried to avoid any major airports/restricted areas/etc. >I will further investigate this route by looking at the A/FD and sectionals. >This route would also let me stop off at a relatives house in northern AL helping to make it a two day trip (wx permitting of course). >Here it is: >ays tma aby euf auo alx scd plr gad 8a0 5m0 9a4 2m2 ghm m02 m91 4m7 m21 210 ehr cul > >This came out to 607NM when I plugged it into skyvector.com >I'll also plan to try out the EAA flight planner. > >-------- Cristal, I have to vote for Airnav Fuel planner. It lets you input your max hop distance and it will plan a route or routes with that distance. It also gives you info on who has car gas available at the airport. When you check out the airports on the list(s), you can see if an airport is small plane friendly by checking what kinds of aircraft are stored there. If you want to plan your own stops, you can put in the beginning and end flights and it will list all of the airports within your selected distance from the straight line distance between the beginning and ending airports. This list is important if you run into a quarterly head wind and get low on fuel, because you can pick the closest downwind airport. http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/ Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:45 AM PST US From: "Tom Longo" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: cross countrys Crystal, or anyone else that need a good GPS, I have a Lowrance Air Map 300 with a brand new NIMH batteries in the rechargeable pack and all of the accessories like standard battery pack for regular aa batteries, AC charger, yoke mount, 12 volt DC lighter cord, book etc. that works perfect in very good shape. I purchased the new Air Map 2000 color to replace it and do not need it any more. I will sell it for $150 shipped if someone would want it. From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Kolb-List: cross countrys Crystal, I believe that Larry Bourne has a Garmin 196 with all the goodies that he is wanting to sell for $350. E-mail Address(es): biglar@gogittum.com Larry C, Oregon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "cristalclear13" jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: > I have to vote for Airnav Fuel planner. It lets you input your max hop > distance and it will plan a route or routes with that distance. It also > gives you info on who has car gas available at the airport. When you check > out the airports on the list(s), you can see if an airport is small plane > friendly by checking what kinds of aircraft are stored there. > http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/ > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN Jack, Looks like airports that offer mogas are too far apart for me and it looks like many airports are close to 6 dollars for 100LL. This could be much more expensive that what I had originally thought. I suppose I could call the airports I plan to stop at and see if they'll let me use the car (then I could go get 4 dollar premium and save some money). Thanks. -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0927#200927 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:01 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "Kirby, Dennis CTR USAF AFMC MDA/AL" << very basic etrex garmin gps (not aviation and no built-in map) >> Cristal - You'll find that even the most basic GPS units, like your little yellow Garmin eTrex, will work fine for aviation. You get plenty of utility, even without the moving map or aviation database features that all the expensive "aviation quality" GPS units have. Last year, I purchased a new eTrex (for $79) for hiking, and decided to see if I could make it useful for flying in my Mark-3. I already had a Magellan handheld aviation GPS (with moving map) that I use when flying my Kolb, but I wanted to prove to myself that this el-cheapo GPS could also work. The eTrex does almost everything my Magellan will do: Display your groundspeed, heading, bearing to your destination, ETE, and a bunch more. It even gives you a very nice "HSI-like" compass display, showing your heading AND your destination's current bearing from your present position. Very easy to visualize where your destination is relative to the course line you are following. The main thing is to practice a little before taking it flying - I did several walks around my block with the eTrex GPS in hand, to become accustomed to using to the unit's features. Know how to use your GPS well, before you launch in your airplane. And I would echo Robert Laird's advice to flight plan for only one leg (destination airport) at a time. Makes it much easier that way. Good luck with your flight planning ... and have fun! Dennis Kirby Mark-3 Classic, 912ul, N93DK in Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:44 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > Looks like airports that offer mogas are too far apart for me and it looks like many airports are close to 6 dollars for 100LL. This could be much more expensive that what I had originally thought. > I suppose I could call the airports I plan to stop at and see if they'll > let me use the car (then I could go get 4 dollar premium and save some > money). > Thanks. > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Mark II Twinstar Cristal W: The following is a comment I made yesterday reference fuel: "One word of advice for UL and lt plane xc flyers. Don't walk up to the FBO with your empty gas can, ask the FBO to use the courtesy car to go to town to buy fuel. The man is trying to make a living. Your airplane, two or four stroke will run on 100LL." John Williamson got me out of the habit of looking at the price of fuel at airports, whining about the price and ruining my day. He told me, "John, if you are going to fly and enjoy your airplane on cross country flights, don't look at the fuel pump, fill the tank, and go have a good time." For the last few years that has been my attitude. Flying any kind of airplane on a cross country flight is expensive, but it is also a lot of fun, excitement, with a great sense of fulfillment. It is a challenge that normal folks don't get a chance to do and will never know. But it ain't free. I reemphasize, using an FBO's courtesy car to go buy somebody else's fuel reflects poorly on our small segment of aviation. Of course, by the time you put some gas in the courtesy car and buy car gas in town, you will have spent more money that if you had bought gas at the airport and pumped it right out of the tank. Another reason for buying fuel out of the pump at the airport is the safety aspect of getting good, clean, double filtered, fresh fuel that will not let you down. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:02 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > It will run fine, but your fuel flow rate will increase with the use of > 100LL. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H: If there is a difference in fuel burn between mogas and 100LL I never noticed. Only you would be able to measure the difference. ;-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:31 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams When you check > out the airports on the list(s), you can see if an airport is small plane > friendly by checking what kinds of aircraft are stored there. > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H/Gang: Worrying about "ultralight friendly and/or small airplane friendly airports" is a waste of time. I plan and fly my MKIII just like the a King Air or Cessna Citation pilot. If it is not a private airport, I got all the same rights and privileges as anyone else. I don't think airports post signs that indicate they are small airplane friendly. They are in business to sell fuel and fix airplanes, large, medium, and little ones like ours. If occasionally I do fly into an airport that is not too friendly, I use their bathroom, get some fuel, if I need it, and keep on going. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:02 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams ----- >> let me use the car (then I could go get 4 dollar premium and save some >> money). >> Thanks. >> >> -------- >> Cristal Waters >> Mark II Twinstar Cristal W: Missed the above when I read your message. Burning permium fuel in a 503 is a waste of money. The book clearly indicates 87 octane works great!!! john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: cross countrys From: "JetPilot" The 196 is a great GPS, I have been using one for years and it has everything I need and more. 350 is well worth the money for this Aviation GPS. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0950#200950 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:38 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams At 12:16 PM 8/27/08 -0500, you wrote: > > >Jack H: > >If there is a difference in fuel burn between mogas and 100LL I never >noticed. > >Only you would be able to measure the difference. ;-) > John H, If you were flying with a five gallon tank, you would notice. Also, you get more bang for the dollar out of 87 octane than premium too. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:16 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "cristalclear13" John Hauck wrote: > The following is a comment I made yesterday reference fuel: > > "One word of advice for UL and lt plane xc flyers. Don't walk up to the FBO > with your empty gas can, ask the FBO to use the courtesy car to go to town > to buy fuel. The man is trying to make a living. Your airplane, two or > four stroke will run on 100LL." > > John Williamson got me out of the habit of looking at the price of fuel at > airports, whining about the price and ruining my day. He told me, "John, if > you are going to fly and enjoy your airplane on cross country flights, don't > look at the fuel pump, fill the tank, and go have a good time." For the > last few years that has been my attitude. Flying any kind of airplane on a > cross country flight is expensive, but it is also a lot of fun, excitement, > with a great sense of fulfillment. It is a challenge that normal folks > don't get a chance to do and will never know. But it ain't free. > > I reemphasize, using an FBO's courtesy car to go buy somebody else's fuel > reflects poorly on our small segment of aviation. Of course, by the time > you put some gas in the courtesy car and buy car gas in town, you will have > spent more money that if you had bought gas at the airport and pumped it > right out of the tank. Another reason for buying fuel out of the pump at > the airport is the safety aspect of getting good, clean, double filtered, > fresh fuel that will not let you down. > > john h > mkIII Makes sense. Better start saving up my cents. -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0954#200954 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:01 AM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams John, maybe they had heard about your Sleeping habits? : )Ive not landed there in my Kolb, but in other planes, & assumed they would treat me no differently in the Kolb. Oh well. Jim Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > > >> Springfield, Hohenwald,Maury Co-Columbia, Rockwood, Scott Co-Onieda, > Dayton, >>> Lebanon. >>> >>> Jim Kmet >>> MK-3C > > > Jim K: > > Last March I got weathered in at Rockwood, TN, where me and my flying > buddies have bought fuel many, many times over the years of flying to > London and back. It was a Saturday afternoon. The FBO closed at 1700. > They told me I could not camp on the airfield with my airplane. I said > ok. I would wait a little longer for weather and depart around 1800 for a > friendlier airport. Soon as they kicked my out of the FBO and departed > the area, I got out my tent, set it up under the patio cover, and settled > in for the longggg night. > > I am more comfortable sleeping in my birthday suit, at home and when I am > camping. Of course I had to get up several times during the 12 hour > night. Used the same corner of the patio each time. Of course, since I > was the only one on the field, I did not have to get dressed to get out of > my tent. Next morning I got up headed for my little corner of the patio, > it was now daylight, looked up, and there was a security camera aimed > right at me. ;-( Oh well.......life is full of little surprises. > > The friendly folks at Rockwood didn't just exactly kick me off the field. > They told me there was a motel down the road and they would rent me the > courtesy car for $50.00. Told them that rental cars and motels were not > in my budget. > > By comparison, Laramie, WY; Goodland, KS; Neosho, MO; opened up the FBO > for me to spend the night inside, gave me a courtesy car all night at no > charge. This was last May on my way home from The Rock House, Burns > Junction, OR. I have spent the night in the FBO at Neosho for 3 years in > a row now. > > 2007, Steven Green and I spent the night in the FBO at Russellville, AR > (with courtesy car), and Tucumcari, NM. John Williamson and I spent three > days and nights at Ontario, OR, with courtesy car and the FBO. > > There are a lot of good airport folks out there in the lower 48, Canada, > and Alaska. And........there are also some that I wouldn't give you two > cents for. I remember all the good ones and the bad ones when I am > flying. > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "cristalclear13" jb92563 wrote: > Probably a good idea to work you way up to XC flights. > > I've gotten quite a bit of this kind of advice (from here, email and locally), so I suppose I'll start out planning some 50-100 mile trips and see how that goes! I really appreciate everyone's input and stories. What fun! -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0979#200979 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:37 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams Cristal. There is nothing wrong with walking up to the FBO with your empty gas can and asking to use the courtesy car to go to town to buy fuel, if you compensate the FBO for the car use and tip the difference in the fuel price. Most FBO understand that different engines require different fuels. If the FBO does not go for it and you need fuel, buy 100LL. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:09 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > John, maybe they had heard about your Sleeping habits? : )Ive not landed > there in my Kolb, but in other planes, & assumed they would treat me no > differently in the Kolb. > Oh well. > > Jim Jim: They treated me fine, until closing time at 1700 Saturday. Then they kicked me out the door and told me I was not allowed to camp overnight on the airport. Had nothing to do with the size, speed, cost, or looks of my airplane. This type attitude by an airport manager always bothers me. I feel the type of grass roots aviation I enjoy is at stake when one is not welcome to camp out with your airplane. There are times when schelduled commercial flights land, remain overnight, or land and take right off again. TSA says we can not remain behind the fence overnight. I understand this, after I was refused permission to RON at Rock Springs, WY, for that reason. However, last year I met John Bickham and John Williamson at Muscle Shoals, AL. We slept on the tarmac with our airplanes while the scheduled commercial flights landed, taxiied right past us to the terminal. Difference in individual attitudes in different geographical locations. Conway, AR, was not friendly, when Steven Green and I met there in May 2007 to fly to MV. However, a few miles down the road, Russellville, AR, the FBO gave us a car and the FBO for the night. We had topped off at Conway, explained this to the elderly gentleman, but he was happy to try and make two guys comfortable for the night. Perhaps he too had enjoyed flying the way Steven and I were enjoying it. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:54 PM PST US From: Russ RKI Photo Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams Sleeping habits can occasionally be an advantage, if you snore loudly enough. Ask me sometime about the glacial esker in the Russian lakes in AK sometime. Or maybe, no, don't! Do not archive On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Jim wrote: > > John, maybe they had heard about your Sleeping habits? : )Ive not > landed there in my Kolb, but in other planes, & assumed they would > treat me no differently in the Kolb. > Oh well. > > Jim > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > > >> >> >> Springfield, Hohenwald,Maury Co-Columbia, Rockwood, Scott Co- >> Onieda, >> Dayton, >>>> Lebanon. >>>> >>>> Jim Kmet >>>> MK-3C >> >> >> Jim K: >> >> Last March I got weathered in at Rockwood, TN, where me and my >> flying buddies have bought fuel many, many times over the years of >> flying to London and back. It was a Saturday afternoon. The FBO >> closed at 1700. They told me I could not camp on the airfield with >> my airplane. I said ok. I would wait a little longer for weather >> and depart around 1800 for a friendlier airport. Soon as they >> kicked my out of the FBO and departed the area, I got out my tent, >> set it up under the patio cover, and settled in for the longggg >> night. >> >> I am more comfortable sleeping in my birthday suit, at home and >> when I am camping. Of course I had to get up several times during >> the 12 hour night. Used the same corner of the patio each time. >> Of course, since I was the only one on the field, I did not have >> to get dressed to get out of my tent. Next morning I got up headed >> for my little corner of the patio, it was now daylight, looked up, >> and there was a security camera aimed right at me. ;-( Oh >> well.......life is full of little surprises. >> >> The friendly folks at Rockwood didn't just exactly kick me off the >> field. They told me there was a motel down the road and they would >> rent me the courtesy car for $50.00. Told them that rental cars >> and motels were not in my budget. >> >> By comparison, Laramie, WY; Goodland, KS; Neosho, MO; opened up >> the FBO for me to spend the night inside, gave me a courtesy car >> all night at no charge. This was last May on my way home from The >> Rock House, Burns Junction, OR. I have spent the night in the FBO >> at Neosho for 3 years in a row now. >> >> 2007, Steven Green and I spent the night in the FBO at >> Russellville, AR (with courtesy car), and Tucumcari, NM. John >> Williamson and I spent three days and nights at Ontario, OR, with >> courtesy car and the FBO. >> >> There are a lot of good airport folks out there in the lower 48, >> Canada, and Alaska. And........there are also some that I >> wouldn't give you two cents for. I remember all the good ones and >> the bad ones when I am flying. >> >> Take care, >> >> john h >> mkIII >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot From: "kmccune" Kolb Firestar II Hey my buddy bought a 80% Kolb Firestar II kit. As a sport pilot how does he transition? My understanding is that as a sport pilot you have to be singed off in the exact model that you are going to fly. Please let me know if this is correct or if I'm full of it. I as because as you know there are two seats but only one set of controls. I don't see hou you could get dual instruction in one? Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1026#201026 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale From: "JetPilot" I hate to do this, but I am putting my 2007 Kolb MK III Xtra up for sale, AIRFRAME ONLY for 17,000 dollars, or 36,000 flying with Rotax 912, titan exhaust, and Warp Drive Prop. This Kolb has just about every option that can be put on it. This plane is currently flying, never damaged, always hangared. For the price of a MK III Xtra Kit with these options, you can buy the complete airplane. Attached are some pictures. -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1044#201044 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbdetailmkiiipanel02_01_2008_06_525.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightmikekolb01_18_2007_2011_1_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightaerialkolb03_13_2008_048_132.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale From: "JetPilot" Someone asked me why I am selling, it is because I need to build an IFR capable airplane for the bad weather I am constantly encountering here in South Florida. The Kolb is a wonderful VFR airplane with unmatched visibility, but I work and cannot always chose when I fly. Attached are pictures of some of the weather I have been encountering [Shocked] Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1046#201046 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_04_208.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_03_169.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_02_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_01_985.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:58 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale - Mike- This is the sunny paradise people retire to?- When were these t aken?- How did your Kolb handle it?- What would it take to convert your s to IFR?- Just curious. - do not archive ------------------------- ---------------- Bill Sullivan --- On Thu, 8/28/08, JetPilot wrote: From: JetPilot Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale Someone asked me why I am selling, it is because I need to build an IFR cap able airplane for the bad weather I am constantly encountering here in South Flo rida. The Kolb is a wonderful VFR airplane with unmatched visibility, but I work and cannot always chose when I fly. Attached are pictures of some of the weat her I have been encountering [Shocked] Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1046#201046 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_04_208.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_03_169.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_02_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ultralightkolbaerialclouds_01_985.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:33 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: British Columbia By Kolb In a message dated 8/26/2008 6:42:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: I've done 600 miles in two days in my US, but I was 24 years younger. John, How much fuel capacity did you have and where did you land for fuel. I would be interested in your account of that trip if You were so inclined. Maybe others would be interested in more of the details also. Ed Diebel **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:23 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale > Someone asked me why I am selling, it is because I need to build an IFR capable airplane for the bad weather I am constantly encountering here in South Florida. The Kolb is a wonderful VFR airplane with unmatched visibility, but I work and cannot always chose when I fly. Attached are pictures of some of the weather I have been encountering [Shocked] > > Mike Mike B: I looked at the photos of your weather. Looks like normal summer weather anywhere in the SE. That's just like summer weather at Gantt International Airport. If you want weather, try the NW part of CONUS, or Texas, NM, UT, ID, for that matter. We encountered a lot of bad weather on our flight west in May. I had some hellacious weather in Mar flying to and from London, KY, from hauck's holler, alabama. So..........you are going to sell your VFR airplane so you can fly IFR for pleasure??? Not me. Bad weather doesn't last that long. I flew in it for 5 days returning from Larry Cottrell's in SE Oregon. Heck, I thought it was part of life. I like my flying as simple and fun as possible. When I get to the point I can not see where I am going or the wind is blowing beyond my capabilities or comfort zone, I find me a little strip somewhere and take a nap until it is over. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:40 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: British Columbia By Kolb Hi Ed: When I first started flying the US in 1984, I had the normal two go kart fu el tanks of 1.75 gal ea, for a total of 3.5 gal. US was powered by a Cuyun a ULII02 35 HP. First xc was to the old Tuskegee Air Base, 38 miles one wa y. On short final at Gantt IAP the engine quit from fuel starvation. Called Kolb in PA, told Little Mike I needed another gas tank. A few days later it arrived and I mounted behind my head, over the engine, with Adel c lamps. Now I had a grand total of 5.25 gal. I was illegal already Jack Ha rt, but I charged ahead and flew to Woodville, FL, south of Tallahassee, 25 0 miles one way. I flew from Gantt IAP, AL, to Tuskegee. Topped off with fuel and on to Hurtsboro, AL, and finally, Eufaula, AL, for more fuel. Fro m Eufaula to Donaldsonville, GA, Quincy, FL, and Woodville, FL. Actually, my destination was a cow pasture near Natural Bridge, east of Woodvile. A return flight to Gantt IAP gave me a 500 sm round trip. I landed primari ly at airports for fuel. Also landed at a country store that had a small p asture next door. Not too much later Kolb came up with a 6 gal tank to replace the two go kar t tanks. This 6 gal plus the 1.75 gal in my reserve tank behind my head re ally made cross country flying nice in the US. Soon after, I flew back to Woodville and then up to the Antique Flyin at Th omasville, GA, back to Woodville, and finally Gantt IAP. Total miles 600 s m flown in two days. I bought a little bungee cargo net that I used to secure my small bog of cl othes and stuff under the seat to the bottom of the airframe. I flew from 1968 to 1993, using pilotage and DED reckoning. The major diff erence in cross country flying in the US was the lack of ability to use the map during flight. I had to memorize my check points, headings, time, pri or to takeoff. Fold up the map, put in on the seat, sit on it to keep it f rom flying away, strap in and take off. Next landing, pull out the map, re fresh and memorize my navigation, and continue on. Mag compass was my only nav instrument. I had no radio. You can imagine my elation when I started flying cross countries in my new Firestar in 1987. I could fly with a map on my knee. This was great! I flight followed with my Brother Jim, or girl friend, or my son. I still flight follow that way on CONUS flights today. john h mkIII - How much fuel capacity did you have and where did you land for fuel . I would be interested in your account of that trip if You were so incline d. Maybe others would be interested in more of the details also. Ed Diebel ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:58 PM PST US From: "thumb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale Very well said John, I agree with ya. I like the view at 500 to 2000 feet. Flying in a cloud or through bad weather is not fun for me. I was forced down trying to fly through a thunder storm flying a Cessna 172 and had to wait all day at the airport for the storm to move out. I just did a 180 and got out of it and landed at field I had just passed over. Flying is supposed to be fun and flying a Kolb in good weather is fun. That's my view... Bill Futrell Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK III Xtra For Sale > > > > Someone asked me why I am selling, it is because I need to build an IFR > capable airplane for the bad weather I am constantly encountering here in > South Florida. The Kolb is a wonderful VFR airplane with unmatched > visibility, but I work and cannot always chose when I fly. Attached are > pictures of some of the weather I have been encountering [Shocked] >> >> Mike > > > Mike B: > > I looked at the photos of your weather. Looks like normal summer weather > anywhere in the SE. > > That's just like summer weather at Gantt International Airport. > > If you want weather, try the NW part of CONUS, or Texas, NM, UT, ID, for > that matter. We encountered a lot of bad weather on our flight west in > May. > > I had some hellacious weather in Mar flying to and from London, KY, from > hauck's holler, alabama. > > So..........you are going to sell your VFR airplane so you can fly IFR for > pleasure??? > > Not me. Bad weather doesn't last that long. I flew in it for 5 days > returning from Larry Cottrell's in SE Oregon. Heck, I thought it was part > of life. > > I like my flying as simple and fun as possible. When I get to the point I > can not see where I am going or the wind is blowing beyond my capabilities > or comfort zone, I find me a little strip somewhere and take a nap until > it is over. > > Take care, > > john h > mkIII > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:49 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Kolb-List: Total Time unopened engine? Rotax guys & gals, Please notice! That is over 910 hours on a Rotax 447 that has NEVER BEEN OPENED ! ! ! And still going strong. Any other 447 Rotax drivers close to that time on a unopened engine on the kolb list? Gene, On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:21 PM, TK wrote: > > Ellery, > > I too tow my FireFly on it's main gear to my airfield each time I > fly. Great minds must think alike. :-D Beats messing with a trailer > for the short haul, which is 1/2 mile each way. With 600 flights > logged at 1 mile per round trip, plus numerous trips over there to > do setup and maintenance, I bet I have the most road miles of any > Kolb. Anyone else out there with more than 600 road miles not on a > trailer? Next I'll have to be applying for a PA license plate! > > Of course flying is what it's all about and the road miles make it > possible. 910 hr.s flight time and counting. > > Terry - FireFly # 95 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:52 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flying Weather This is some weather I encountered returning from MV 2007. I was skirting the Northern edge of the weather that dumped so much rain on TX in the spring of 07. Steven Green do not archive > I looked at the photos of your weather. Looks like normal summer weather > anywhere in the SE. > > That's just like summer weather at Gantt International Airport. > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot From: "cristalclear13" kmccune wrote: > Kolb Firestar II > > Hey my buddy bought a 80% Kolb Firestar II kit. As a sport pilot how does he transition? My understanding is that as a sport pilot you have to be singed off in the exact model that you are going to fly. Please let me know if this is correct or if I'm full of it. I ask because as you know there are two seats but only one set of controls. I don't see how you could get dual instruction in one? > > Kevin You're correct in that a sport pilot's endorsement is by category, class, make and model (CFR 61.317). However, if he has one endorsement he can fly another make and model as long as it is in the same set of aircraft (CFR 61.319). Here's a link to show "set of aircraft": http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_pilot/media/aircraft_sets.pdf But since his plane isn't complete he'll be given operating limitations when/if he certificates it. It'll be up to the DAR as to how many hours must be flown off and who can fly them. When the DAR made my operating limitations it said a private pilot could fly off the hours or a sport pilot (or student pilot) signed off in that make/model (no "set of aircraft" exception). He may want to talk to his DAR about that beforehand. -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1082#201082 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "lucien" cristalclear13 wrote: > > > Makes sense. Better start saving up my cents. Actually, even at $1.50 to $2 more per gallon for avgas, you're not looking at too huge of an increase in fuel cost. i.e. if you burn 4gph, you're only down about $8 hour more worst case scenario of $2. The delta is typically more like 1.50 but $8/hour is still a total steal for being able to fly through the air. I also agree with John, getting gas locally pays for itself in the long run by helping to keep the airports, FBO's and services around. They're actually hurting pretty bad these days because the high cost of 100LL has resulted in a fair bit of demand destruction. I keep getting my hangar rent raised because gas sales, among other things, have gone down so much at my airport. I normally tote auto gas in for engine-health reasons, so I'm not much help. but I definitely still buy gas at the self-serve if I'm low even at the higher costs.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1087#201087 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:47 PM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Re: Kolb-List: (Long) Cross Country Dreams Hi Cristal - You've already gotten lots of great suggestions about making a cross-country flight. I have done a lot of long cross countries (not long compared to John Hauck and some of the others, but compared to most light sport/ultralight pilots.>:) I have a Rotax 503; like you, no oil injection - I mix my own oil/gas.I also have a very basic GPS - no airports or moving maps. Just an arrow pointing the way,yet does show track, bearing, altitude, ETA, speed over the ground. Anyway - you've gotten a number of suggestions regarding sites for flight planning. As Larry Cottell can tell you, (we flew on a long cross-country last year,) I prefer to do my flight planning by looking at sectionals and road/topo maps. Why? Because the on-line flight planners give you point-to-point info, and I fly IFR. Not always - but often. Why? Well, with a 2-cycle, I don't have the absolute confidence in it that a 4-cycle, or certificated engine pilot might have. I also think about what might happen if I go down - I want 1) to be able to get my plane out, if it's not able to be flown out of the crash site; 2) for emergency vehicles to be able to get to me, if necessary. That means not being too far from a road. That doesn't mean I never fly away from a road - it just means that for purposes of flight planning I plan with following roads in mind, and then deviate when the terrain is conducive. With 10 gallons, and burning 5 gpm (I know, you wrote 4-5, but when fully loaded with camping gear it might be more,) you should be able to plan 100-115 mile legs, and that's being safely conservative - unless you run into major headwinds, of course. If you can't find an airport with gas or a courtesy car, I've had good success with flying around the perimeter of a small town, slowly, and then landing nearby. So far, 100% of the time, someone will drive over to see what this strange looking bird is. Then I ask for a ride to town for food or gas. So far, I've never been turned down. Twice, in Nevada, far from even a small town, I've landed as close as possible to a ranch home and asked to buy gas. Those ranches out in the middle of nowhere usually have a 500 gal tank, since they can't be running into town to fill up. My guess, though, is that once you start doing your planning, you'll see how many airports there are along your route. A gadget that I find indispensable for flight planning is a Scalex MapWheel. It's a nifty little instrument, battery-powered, that you run over a map or sectional and it measures distance in miles, kilometres or nautical miles. I can "trace" every little wiggle on the map and know exactly how many miles I'll be flying.My GPS will show me point to point distance, but the Scalex shows you actual distance if you're not going point to point. I absolutely agree with the several other Kolbers who said to start with shorter cross-countries and work your way up to your - VERY DO-ABLE - 600 mile dream flight. There's a tired-ness factor that hasn't been mentioned yet. There's additional stress when you've flying over new terrain far from home, and if you're fighting a headwind or any type of turbulence, that can also be weary-ing. Here in northwestern Oregon, we have a ready-made "first long cross-country" flight that we recommend. It's flying from the Portland area to the EAA airshow at Arlington, Washington. It's 250 miles (one way), over quite varied terrain. You haven't said yet whether you'll be flying with someone/s else or not. I highly recommend that you do, as you get acclimated to flying cross-country. It's great to be able to discuss things both before and after each leg, as well as in the air. Also - are you able to do trouble shooting and field repairs yourself? This is something else to consider if you're flying a long ways from home and by yourself. Many of the guys on this list are great mechanics, and that can be crucial if you have a forced landing an bend a gear leg or incur some other type of damage. Last fall I was with 2 other light sport pilots. We landed on top of a mesa and I had a rock go through my prop, breaking a blade, and also flattened a tire (and crumpled the hub) in the process. I would have been in real trouble if I'd been by myself. They flew to an airport about 30 miles away and were able to bring back a new prop blade, tire and hub. (I was extra-ordinarily lucky that all of that stuff was available locally.) For me, it's also a matter of strength - or not enough of it. I'm 4'11" tall and weigh 105 lbs. I can't lift up a gear leg or a wing by myself. Keep doing what you're doing - asking for information. Sift through it and decide what makes sense for you and the way you fly. Best of luck - you'll LOVE cross-country flying. But warning - it's addictive! Arty Trost Maxair Drifter Sandy, Oregon www.LessonsFromTheEdge.com "Life's a daring adventure or nothing" Helen Keller "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." --- On Tue, 8/26/08, cristalclear13 wrote: > From: cristalclear13 > Subject: Kolb-List: Cross Country Dreams > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 10:12 AM > "cristalclear13" > > > My cross country dream for my Mark II: > Waycross, GA to Carmi, IL > > Instrumentsequipment on my Mark II: > EGT CHT ASI ALT Tach ELT - cannot fly at night or into B or > C airspace > handheld NAV/COM radio > very basic etrex garmin gps (not aviation and no built-in > map) > > Fuel: > 10 gallon tank -have to mix my oil > burn 4-5 gph > cruise at 65-70 IAS > > What do you think? Only a dream? Or a possibility? > > -------- > Cristal Waters > Mark II Twinstar > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0697#200697 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.