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1. 04:33 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Dana Hague)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Total Time unopened engine? (Ralph B)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Dana Hague)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (cristalclear13)
6. 10:33 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (lucien)
7. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Total Time unopened engine? (John Hauck)
8. 12:35 PM - Re: Total Time unopened engine? (olendorf)
9. 01:10 PM - Re: Total Time unopened engine? (Ralph B)
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Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
Hey John,
If you remember... when you were flying your Ultraster on those long cross
countries, what kind of fuel consumption did you get? Do you recall what
the rpm/airspeed is for best range?
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
> If you remember... when you were flying your Ultraster on those long
cross
> countries, what kind of fuel consumption did you get? Do you recall what
> the rpm/airspeed is for best range?
>
> -Dana
Morning Dana:
I flew the Cuyuna ULII02, as well as Rotax 2 strokes, 5,800 rpm. To me,
this is where the engines and airplanes wanted to be, the sweet spot.
Only way to know what your engine is going to burn on a xc is fly at least a
one hour leg. Start with full tanks and top them off when you land at the
next airport.
Here's what they burned at cruise, which is much different from fuel burn
flying around the patch:
ULII02 - 3.5 to 3.75 gph
447 - Same
582 - 5 to 5.5 gph
912 - 4 gph
912uls 5 gph
I have been more interested in cruise speed than range. Also where the
engines and aircraft feel best.
IIRC the US cruised at 65 mph.
FS about the same.
MKIII 80 to 85 mph depending on how I am loaded.
Also remember, these figures are based on a fully loaded airplane, not
empty.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Total Time unopened engine? |
> Ralph B:
>
> That's a long time to be flying a FS. How many hours on airframe and
> engine?
>
> john h
> mkIII
John,
I have about 870 hours on the Firestar airframe and about 420 hours on the 2nd
engine. The Firestar came with a Rotax 377 and I got a good deal on a new 447
that I have been flying with for the last 9 years ($1500).
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
Hi John,
The GPH sounds about right for the ULII02... though I don't think I'm
getting anywhere near 65mph at 5800 rpm. Range is a concern to me because
here in New England, airports with fuel (and even landable fields!) are a
considerable distance apart. XC flying requires a study of Google Earth,
and non direct routes to avoid flying over too much unlandable forest.
-Dana
At 09:16 AM 8/29/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>I flew the Cuyuna ULII02, as well as Rotax 2 strokes, 5,800 rpm. To me,
>this is where the engines and airplanes wanted to be, the sweet spot.
>
>Only way to know what your engine is going to burn on a xc is fly at least
>a one hour leg. Start with full tanks and top them off when you land at
>the next airport.
>
>Here's what they burned at cruise, which is much different from fuel burn
>flying around the patch:
>
>ULII02 - 3.5 to 3.75 gph
>
>447 - Same
>
>582 - 5 to 5.5 gph
>
>912 - 4 gph
>
>912uls 5 gph
>
>I have been more interested in cruise speed than range. Also where the
>engines and aircraft feel best.
>
>IIRC the US cruised at 65 mph.
>
>FS about the same.
>
>MKIII 80 to 85 mph depending on how I am loaded.
>
>Also remember, these figures are based on a fully loaded airplane, not empty.
>
>Take care,
>
>john h
>mkIII
>
>
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stupidity.
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Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
Well, I appreciate everyone's input and advice. I am leaving now for my long drive
to Carmi...through Atlanta and Nashville traffic. I know I'll be sitting
there wishing I was flying but perhaps next time...when it's cooler and when
there aren't hoards of tropical storms headed our way.
But all that driving will give me time to daydream about planning my first "shorter"
long cross country in my Kolb...perhaps toward the Atlantic beaches...Jekyll
Island...Fernandina...Cumberland Island. :)
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Cristal Waters
Mark II Twinstar
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Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
cristalclear13 wrote:
> Well, I appreciate everyone's input and advice. I am leaving now for my long
drive to Carmi...through Atlanta and Nashville traffic. I know I'll be sitting
there wishing I was flying but perhaps next time...when it's cooler and when
there aren't hoards of tropical storms headed our way.
>
> But all that driving will give me time to daydream about planning my first "shorter"
long cross country in my Kolb...perhaps toward the Atlantic beaches...Jekyll
Island...Fernandina...Cumberland Island. :)
One nice thing about flying our type of planes is that what is a short hop in the
big iron can be a pretty decent xcountry trip in ours.
Back in TX, for example, I flew my FS II from my home airport to a flyin in New
Braunfels, TX, about a 20 to 30NM trip IIRC. But it seemed like the 60+ milers
I used to do in the GA planes I flew back in my former life as a GA pilot.
Very enjoyable, just my simple rag/tube Kolb and the 503 screamer on top taking
me all the way over to another airport.... I think it was about 1/2 hour each
way, can't remember offhand, but plenty of time to enjoy the slow change of scenery.
So it's still quite a fun time even on short trips.
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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Subject: | Re: Total Time unopened engine? |
> I have about 870 hours on the Firestar airframe and about 420 hours on
the 2nd engine. The Firestar came with a Rotax 377 and I got a good deal on
a new 447 that I have been flying with for the last 9 years ($1500).
>
> Ralph B
Ralph:
That's high time on your FS.
I had 755.6 hours on mine when I totalled it.
First flew July 1987. Totalled 11 Mar 1990. During that 32 month period,
my FS was down for rebuild and modification 10 months. I was flying a lot
more back then than I do now.
I definitely miss flying my FS. It was a part of me, or I was a part of it.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Total Time unopened engine? |
Hey Ralph,
You are far more of an expert then myself but I do have some experience in this
case. You should test your fuel tank for strength. When my tank had a nice golden
patina like yours does I was able to push my thumb right through it. Try
it in the top corner and see if it goes through. New tanks from Kolb are reasonably
priced.
I didn't suspect that mine was so brittle until the gas cap snapped in half.
Happy flying.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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Subject: | Re: Total Time unopened engine? |
olendorf wrote:
> Hey Ralph,
>
> You are far more of an expert then myself but I do have some experience in this
case. You should test your fuel tank for strength. When my tank had a nice
golden patina like yours does I was able to push my thumb right through it.
Try it in the top corner and see if it goes through. New tanks from Kolb are
reasonably priced.
>
> I didn't suspect that mine was so brittle until the gas cap snapped in half.
>
> Happy flying.
Thanks for your concern. I replaced the main fuel tank a few years ago. Once thing
nice about leaving the rear covering off the cage is that it's easy to replace.
Ralph B
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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