---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/29/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Dana Hague) 2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (John Hauck) 3. 07:58 AM - Re: Total Time unopened engine? (Ralph B) 4. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (Dana Hague) 5. 09:55 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (cristalclear13) 6. 10:33 AM - Re: Cross Country Dreams (lucien) 7. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Total Time unopened engine? (John Hauck) 8. 12:35 PM - Re: Total Time unopened engine? (olendorf) 9. 01:10 PM - Re: Total Time unopened engine? (Ralph B) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:05 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams Hey John, If you remember... when you were flying your Ultraster on those long cross countries, what kind of fuel consumption did you get? Do you recall what the rpm/airspeed is for best range? -Dana -- The early bird catches the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:38 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams > If you remember... when you were flying your Ultraster on those long cross > countries, what kind of fuel consumption did you get? Do you recall what > the rpm/airspeed is for best range? > > -Dana Morning Dana: I flew the Cuyuna ULII02, as well as Rotax 2 strokes, 5,800 rpm. To me, this is where the engines and airplanes wanted to be, the sweet spot. Only way to know what your engine is going to burn on a xc is fly at least a one hour leg. Start with full tanks and top them off when you land at the next airport. Here's what they burned at cruise, which is much different from fuel burn flying around the patch: ULII02 - 3.5 to 3.75 gph 447 - Same 582 - 5 to 5.5 gph 912 - 4 gph 912uls 5 gph I have been more interested in cruise speed than range. Also where the engines and aircraft feel best. IIRC the US cruised at 65 mph. FS about the same. MKIII 80 to 85 mph depending on how I am loaded. Also remember, these figures are based on a fully loaded airplane, not empty. Take care, john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Total Time unopened engine? From: "Ralph B" > Ralph B: > > That's a long time to be flying a FS. How many hours on airframe and > engine? > > john h > mkIII John, I have about 870 hours on the Firestar airframe and about 420 hours on the 2nd engine. The Firestar came with a Rotax 377 and I got a good deal on a new 447 that I have been flying with for the last 9 years ($1500). Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 0 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1435#201435 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/7_15_08__205.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:07 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams Hi John, The GPH sounds about right for the ULII02... though I don't think I'm getting anywhere near 65mph at 5800 rpm. Range is a concern to me because here in New England, airports with fuel (and even landable fields!) are a considerable distance apart. XC flying requires a study of Google Earth, and non direct routes to avoid flying over too much unlandable forest. -Dana At 09:16 AM 8/29/2008, John Hauck wrote: >I flew the Cuyuna ULII02, as well as Rotax 2 strokes, 5,800 rpm. To me, >this is where the engines and airplanes wanted to be, the sweet spot. > >Only way to know what your engine is going to burn on a xc is fly at least >a one hour leg. Start with full tanks and top them off when you land at >the next airport. > >Here's what they burned at cruise, which is much different from fuel burn >flying around the patch: > >ULII02 - 3.5 to 3.75 gph > >447 - Same > >582 - 5 to 5.5 gph > >912 - 4 gph > >912uls 5 gph > >I have been more interested in cruise speed than range. Also where the >engines and aircraft feel best. > >IIRC the US cruised at 65 mph. > >FS about the same. > >MKIII 80 to 85 mph depending on how I am loaded. > >Also remember, these figures are based on a fully loaded airplane, not empty. > >Take care, > >john h >mkIII > > -- The most important and least understood aspect of life in America is stupidity. -- F.Zappa ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "cristalclear13" Well, I appreciate everyone's input and advice. I am leaving now for my long drive to Carmi...through Atlanta and Nashville traffic. I know I'll be sitting there wishing I was flying but perhaps next time...when it's cooler and when there aren't hoards of tropical storms headed our way. But all that driving will give me time to daydream about planning my first "shorter" long cross country in my Kolb...perhaps toward the Atlantic beaches...Jekyll Island...Fernandina...Cumberland Island. :) -------- Cristal Waters Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1463#201463 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Cross Country Dreams From: "lucien" cristalclear13 wrote: > Well, I appreciate everyone's input and advice. I am leaving now for my long drive to Carmi...through Atlanta and Nashville traffic. I know I'll be sitting there wishing I was flying but perhaps next time...when it's cooler and when there aren't hoards of tropical storms headed our way. > > But all that driving will give me time to daydream about planning my first "shorter" long cross country in my Kolb...perhaps toward the Atlantic beaches...Jekyll Island...Fernandina...Cumberland Island. :) One nice thing about flying our type of planes is that what is a short hop in the big iron can be a pretty decent xcountry trip in ours. Back in TX, for example, I flew my FS II from my home airport to a flyin in New Braunfels, TX, about a 20 to 30NM trip IIRC. But it seemed like the 60+ milers I used to do in the GA planes I flew back in my former life as a GA pilot. Very enjoyable, just my simple rag/tube Kolb and the 503 screamer on top taking me all the way over to another airport.... I think it was about 1/2 hour each way, can't remember offhand, but plenty of time to enjoy the slow change of scenery. So it's still quite a fun time even on short trips. LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1467#201467 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:50 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Total Time unopened engine? > I have about 870 hours on the Firestar airframe and about 420 hours on the 2nd engine. The Firestar came with a Rotax 377 and I got a good deal on a new 447 that I have been flying with for the last 9 years ($1500). > > Ralph B Ralph: That's high time on your FS. I had 755.6 hours on mine when I totalled it. First flew July 1987. Totalled 11 Mar 1990. During that 32 month period, my FS was down for rebuild and modification 10 months. I was flying a lot more back then than I do now. I definitely miss flying my FS. It was a part of me, or I was a part of it. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Total Time unopened engine? From: "olendorf" Hey Ralph, You are far more of an expert then myself but I do have some experience in this case. You should test your fuel tank for strength. When my tank had a nice golden patina like yours does I was able to push my thumb right through it. Try it in the top corner and see if it goes through. New tanks from Kolb are reasonably priced. I didn't suspect that mine was so brittle until the gas cap snapped in half. Happy flying. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1480#201480 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Total Time unopened engine? From: "Ralph B" olendorf wrote: > Hey Ralph, > > You are far more of an expert then myself but I do have some experience in this case. You should test your fuel tank for strength. When my tank had a nice golden patina like yours does I was able to push my thumb right through it. Try it in the top corner and see if it goes through. New tanks from Kolb are reasonably priced. > > I didn't suspect that mine was so brittle until the gas cap snapped in half. > > Happy flying. Thanks for your concern. I replaced the main fuel tank a few years ago. Once thing nice about leaving the rear covering off the cage is that it's easy to replace. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 21 years flying it Kolbra 912UL N20386 0 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1484#201484 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/at_lydia__647.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.