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1. 03:53 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (pj.ladd)
2. 04:09 AM - Re: Re: Cross Country Dreams (pj.ladd)
3. 11:56 AM - Re: Jack Hart (henry.voris)
4. 12:31 PM - Kolb List: Re: Jack Hart (william sullivan)
5. 02:32 PM - 447 and dual ignition (chris davis)
6. 03:16 PM - Re: Stuff (possums)
7. 03:49 PM - Re: 447 and dual ignition (possums)
8. 04:05 PM - Re: 447 and dual ignition (possums)
9. 04:13 PM - Re: Stuff (robert bean)
10. 04:34 PM - Re: 447 and dual ignition (chris davis)
11. 04:38 PM - Re: Stuff (possums)
12. 04:53 PM - Re: Stuff (Jack Day)
13. 05:04 PM - Re: Stuff (Russ RKI Photo)
14. 05:48 PM - 447 (Larry Cottrell)
15. 05:49 PM - Re: Stuff (John Hauck)
16. 06:03 PM - Re: 447 (chris davis)
17. 06:50 PM - Re: 447 (lcottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
If you were flying with a five gallon tank, you would notice.>
How you guys go on about the price of fuel! If you were buying 1000 gallons
I could understand it but for the amount that the average ultralighter uses
in a year the differenc between one price and another wouldn`t buy a good
meal..
We fly for fun, and the odd $100 hamburger doesn`t figure. Its not the
hamburger its the fun of flying somewhere to get it that makes it worth
while. How can you put a price on fun?
Pay up and stop moaning. Pity we couldn`t buy it and put it in store, it
will seem bloody cheap in 10 years time.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Cross Country Dreams |
Is there a guide anywhere that tells what airports are ultralight-friendly?
>>
I am surprised that you are still having this problem.
In the UK there was strong feeling against UL`s when things started out but
the picture has now changed completely. UL`s are welcomed almost everywhere.
I think this has come about because the fraternity is no longer seen as
bikers of the skies but fly responsibly and are pretty much up to speed with
airport procedures.
Of course if you want to fly in to Heathrow......
Cheers
Pat
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Bill,
This is the URL for Jacks INDEX PAGE...
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflyindex.html
His work is nothing short of amazing... Thank you Jack...
Aloha,
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb List: Re: Jack Hart |
- Thanks, Henry.- I'll put it on "favorites" in the computer instead of
fumbling for it.- I agree- fascinating. Thank you, Jack.
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| Subject: | 447 and dual ignition |
Hi all you Kolbers , I am doing some thinking on how I will Power the Firef
ly I am building ,I built a Firestar KXP and flew it 490 hrs without ever h
aving the head off ! When I was building it in 1991 there was talk of a wei
ght increase coming down so I said it will probably be legal by the time I
finish so lets go with the 503 with dual ignition , it was fat and the law
didn't change but nobody I ran into seamed to care. My question is , why ha
s nobody come up with dual ignition for the 447? Is it because the heads ar
e too small? the bore is only a few mm smaller . Does anyone have a reason
it wont work ? Thank you- Chris=0A=0A=0A
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At 10:42 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote:
>
>That was a short ride.
>
>BB
>
>(but then we didn't have to pay disney :)
Here's a longer one. The clouds were nice today.
I should put the camera where you can see the Altitude indicator on the EIS.
The airspeed didn't seem to go up much - stayed less then 70 mph even
pulling out.
Here's one going done the side of one of the 3,000 ft. thick cloud...was
afraid to hold it all the way to the bottom. It would have take 7 or 8 turns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6787107193246239411&hl=en
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| Subject: | Re: 447 and dual ignition |
At 05:32 PM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all you Kolbers , I am doing some thinking on how I will Power
>the Firefly I am building ,I built a Firestar KXP and flew it 490
>hrs without ever having the head off ! When I was building it in
>1991 there was talk of a weight increase coming down so I said it
>will probably be legal by the time I finish so lets go with the 503
>with dual ignition , it was fat and the law didn't change but nobody
>I ran into seamed to care. My question is , why has nobody come up
>with dual ignition for the 447? Is it because the heads are too
>small? the bore is only a few mm smaller . Does anyone have a reason
>it wont work ? Thank you Chris
They did on the "after market" but the 477 isn't that much lighter than a 503.
Then you've got to decide about dual carbs, etc. Besides they
don't sell 447's anymore.
Now ......the original 377 (we had one 1985 - I think) was supposed
to meet the Ultralight specs, but it really didn't either
unless you used spay paint on the wings & didn't add brakes &
instruments - stuff like that.
It flew really nice though - like a feather and lasted 15 years!
Belonged to Greg Elliot (An Original Possum)
But then you've got a five rib, bare bones, true Ultralight - maybe
.....if your Jack Hart.
They're all fat, except for Jack's of course.
Maybe you could find a 377 that has been stored in oil all these years?
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| Subject: | Re: 447 and dual ignition |
>
>Now ......the original 377 (we had one 1985 - I think) was supposed
>to meet the Ultralight specs, but it really didn't either
>unless you used spay paint on the wings & didn't add brakes &
>instruments - stuff like that.
>It flew really nice though - like a feather and lasted 15 years!
>Belonged to Greg Elliot (An Original Possum)
>
>Maybe you could find a 377 that has been stored in oil all these years?
Here's a picture of Greg's old 377 Firestar - back when Jimmy Buffet had hair.
He's the one "flapping his wings" - I'm taken the pictures.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8138441391455398603&q=source:012068733856177615188&hl=en
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very pretty. It would be interesting to see if you would reach a
stabilized descent.
Looked ok from MY chair.
BB
On 31, Aug 2008, at 6:15 PM, possums wrote:
> At 10:42 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> That was a short ride.
>>
>> BB
>>
>> (but then we didn't have to pay disney :)
>
> Here's a longer one. The clouds were nice today.
> I should put the camera where you can see the Altitude indicator on
> the EIS.
>
> The airspeed didn't seem to go up much - stayed less then 70 mph
> even pulling out.
>
> Here's one going done the side of one of the 3,000 ft. thick
> cloud...was
> afraid to hold it all the way to the bottom. It would have take 7
> or 8 turns.
>
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6787107193246239411&hl=en
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 447 and dual ignition |
Possum , Are you joking with me " they dont make 447s any more" Kolb is sel
ling " the only legal ultra light- with the447"that I bought .please say
that isnt so . Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: possums
<pos@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 3
1, 2008 6:50:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 and dual ignition=0A=0A-->
Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AAt 05:32
PM 8/31/2008, you wrote:=0A>Hi all you Kolbers , I am doing some thinking
on how I will Power =0A>the Firefly I am building ,I built a Firestar KXP a
nd flew it 490 =0A>hrs without ever having the head off ! When I was buildi
ng it in =0A>1991 there was talk of a weight increase coming down so I said
it =0A>will probably be legal by the time I finish so lets go with the 503
=0A>with dual ignition , it was fat and the law didn't change but nobody
=0A>I ran into seamed to care. My question is , why has nobody come up =0A>
with dual ignition for the 447? Is it because the heads are too =0A>small?
the bore is only a few mm smaller . Does anyone have a reason =0A>it wont w
ork ? Thank you- Chris=0A=0AThey did on the "after market"- but the 477
isn't that much lighter than a 503.=0AThen you've got to decide about dual
carbs, etc. Besides they =0Adon't- sell 447's anymore.=0ANow ......the o
riginal 377 (we had one 1985 - I think) was supposed =0Ato meet the Ultrali
ght specs, but it really didn't either=0Aunless you used spay paint on the
wings & didn't add brakes & =0Ainstruments - stuff like that.=0AIt flew rea
lly nice though - like a feather and lasted 15 years! =0ABelonged to Greg E
lliot (An Original Possum)=0ABut then you've got a five rib, bare bones, tr
ue Ultralight - maybe =0A.....if your Jack Hart.=0AThey're all fat, except
for Jack's of course.=0AMaybe you could find a 377 that has been stored in
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At 07:12 PM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
>very pretty. It would be interesting to see if you would reach a
>stabilized descent.
>Looked ok from MY chair.
>BB
Well,,,,,,,,,,,,, it get's your old heart pumping from where I was sitting.
But a stabilized decent is one way to get through a cloud layer
if your ever stuck on top & the holes close in on you. Been there before.
Radioed the FBO & found out that the cloud base was 1,500 feet AGL
Going home from a trip, but how do you get down thru the clouds from
4,000 feet?
It is really hard to just fly down through 2 or 3,000 ft of "White out".
In fact, it kind of makes you sick at you stomach because it takes so
long and I bet you would not know if you're turning, flying straight or
upside down after 60 seconds. At least this way I know where I am going,
as long as I've got someone to tell me what it's like when I get there.
Have to try it next time I get in trouble.
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Come on possum, all those video's look like the desent into Campbell
county TN airport in 1999, after yourself, John, and myself,almost
missed the airport at 5000 feet, on our way to the first kolb home
comeing, 9/24/99, or you trying to land at Ferguson,s strip.
Jack Danials.
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----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Stuff
At 10:42 PM 8/19/2008, you wrote:
That was a short ride.
BB
(but then we didn't have to pay disney :)
Here's a longer one. The clouds were nice today.
I should put the camera where you can see the Altitude indicator on
the EIS.
The airspeed didn't seem to go up much - stayed less then 70 mph
even pulling out.
Here's one going done the side of one of the 3,000 ft. thick
cloud...was
afraid to hold it all the way to the bottom. It would have take 7 or
8 turns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6787107193246239411&hl=en
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Possums, good advice.
IIRC the early Airmail pilots were taught to spin down thru the
clouds if caught above. Even if they had to hit the ground while
still in a spin, vertical speed was low. They might be dizzy, but
would likely live.
On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:37 PM, possums wrote:
>
> At 07:12 PM 8/31/2008, you wrote:
>> very pretty. It would be interesting to see if you would reach a
>> stabilized descent.
>> Looked ok from MY chair.
>> BB
>
> Well,,,,,,,,,,,,, it get's your old heart pumping from where I was
> sitting.
>
> But a stabilized decent is one way to get through a cloud layer
> if your ever stuck on top & the holes close in on you. Been there
> before.
> Radioed the FBO & found out that the cloud base was 1,500 feet AGL
> Going home from a trip, but how do you get down thru the clouds
> from 4,000 feet?
> It is really hard to just fly down through 2 or 3,000 ft of "White
> out".
> In fact, it kind of makes you sick at you stomach because it takes so
> long and I bet you would not know if you're turning, flying
> straight or
> upside down after 60 seconds. At least this way I know where I am
> going,
> as long as I've got someone to tell me what it's like when I get
> there.
> Have to try it next time I get in trouble.
>
>
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> IIRC the early Airmail pilots were taught to spin down thru the
> clouds if caught above. Even if they had to hit the ground while still in
> a spin, vertical speed was low. They might be dizzy, but would likely
> live.
Russ K:
If you are the least bit inclined to believe that BS, we'll let you do the
first demonstration when your get you new airplane.
One of the easiest hazards to get sucked into and one of the most difficult,
at times, to get out of.
Took off at 1906 hours tonight. Sunset was 1912. Not a breath of air
moving. Knew there was a line of thunderstorms south of Gantt IAP. What I
didn't know was how fast they were moving north. Got a 5 minute flight.
Got it on the ground before the storm hit. Got out the gate and got it shut
before I got drenched. Was fun taking off, bouncing around a little, and
landing. My little mkIII sure flies good, even without bristles on its
back. ;-)
john h
mkIII - 2,855.5 hours
912uls - 287.0 hours
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Larry what does AVGMAIL-48BB3B020000--- Mean??????? Chris=0A=0A=0A=0A
----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:44:50 PM
=0ASubject: Kolb-List: 447=0A=0A=======AVGMAIL-48BB3B020000
=======--=0A=0A=0A
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I am sorry, for what ever reason my computer has viciously turned on me and seems
determined to make life difficult. The message that I posted was all there,
but it somehow didn't translate to the list. the message is below.
If any one is interested, I have a 447 with 267 hours that I replaced with a 503
on my Firestar that I would part with for $1200 bucks and shipping. It has a
silencer, but no muffler. Rings are nice and free with little or no carbon on
pistons. I used Pennzoil air-cooled oil and Marvel mystery in it. All the muffler
parts are there with the exception of the muffler body. Also have a mounting
plate as well. It was running strong when I took it off, just wanted more
power. I am intending to put a HKS on the Firestar, so I may have a 503 with 173
hours on it available soon as well.
Larry C, Oregon
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