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1. 06:28 AM - Re: Traveling Kolbs (Ralph B)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Econo Miser!! (herb)
3. 07:02 AM - Fw: Mixture control for Bing (John Hauck)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Econo Miser!! (Dana Hague)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: HKS Fuel system (boyd)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: HKS Fuel system (John Hauck)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: HKS Fuel system (robert bean)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: Fw: Mixture control for Bing (jvanlaak@aol.com)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Econo Miser!! (Jack B. Hart)
10. 11:07 AM - Re: HKS Fuel system (Mnflyer)
11. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Stuff (possums)
12. 12:06 PM - Re: Fw: Mixture control for Bing (Jerry Jones)
13. 01:45 PM - Re: Mixture control for Bing (Tom Jones)
14. 02:38 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot (russ kinne)
15. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: HKS Fuel system (boyd)
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Subject: | Re: Traveling Kolbs |
John Hauck wrote:
> Hi Gang:
>
> Here is a photo on my mkIII and John Williamson's Kolbra on the Bonneville
> Salt Flats in May 2007. If you look in the salt, in the foreground of the
> photo, you can see the black line that is used to guide those trying to
> break speed records on the Flats.
>
> These two little airplanes, built by their pilots and owners, have carried
> them to many adventures around the country.
>
> john h
> mkIII
It looks a little like frozen lake flying in Minnesota ....
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
Kolbra 912UL
N20386
0 years flying it
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Subject: | Re: Econo Miser!! |
Jerb
Easy to make your own....A quick look at the exploded drawing on
the UL news site tells the story... I would install stops such that
the needle could only travel the distance from the lower to the top
clip position... maybe a bit more? Otherwise a geared turns counter
on the inst panel would be wise...
Jacks design may be more eloquent... ? Gonna post it to your site
Jack? Herb
At 11:32 PM 9/3/2008, you wrote:
>
>Is this a system that sold back in 95 or so by a guy if I recall
>right was based in Alaska. Seems like I also recall he was killed
>in a plane crash. I may be totally wrong. We bought one of those
>kits, my partner installed it but I had him pull it back off until
>our engine was out of warranty. We never reinstalled it. This one
>came with all the parts. Didn't have to send him anything but
>money. If I recall right it allowed you to tweak the mixture while
>in flight. It been a while and cells are dying at a faster pace each day.
>jerb
>
>
>At 08:32 PM 9/1/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>At 04:18 PM 9/1/08 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
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Subject: | Fw: Mixture control for Bing |
Morning Gang:
Got a bc from Jerry Olenik reference his in flight adustable carb set up.
Give Jerry a call if interested.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: "golenik" <golenik@greenskyadventures.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Mixture control for Bing
> Hi John,
> I heard from one of our Kolb HKS customers that someone was asking about
> mixture control for Bing. We make the HACman which works well with the
> Bing
> 54 and also the Bing Constant Velocity carbs as used on HKS, Jabiru, and
> Rotax 912.
> THere is info at
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/4strokePG2.htm
> and
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmanorder.htm
> and
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmandetails.htm
>
> Fuel savings are substantial.
> Hope all is well
> Jerry
>
> Gerald J. Olenik, pres.
> Green Sky Adventures, Inc.
> 326 Melrose Landing Blvd
> Hawthorne, Fl. 32640
>
> 352 475-5625 or toll free 888 887-5625
> Jerry's cell 352 318-5625
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Subject: | Re: Econo Miser!! |
I seem to recall a commercial mixture adjust retrofit that involved moving
the main jet up and down, rather than moving the needle itself... but I
could be mistaken.
Mixture control using manifold vacuum is not new. The Bing altitude
compensating carbs do something like that, and it was an option in the
Stromberg carburetor on the A-65 in my 1941 Taylorcraft (mine just had the
cover plate where it would be mounted).
-Dana
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Subject: | Re: HKS Fuel system |
This is good until the lighting coil in the engine quits, or a fuse blows.
This still puts all the eggs in one basket... After 545 hours I will still
use the facet pump as a backup to the pump on the 912.
Boyd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have two electric facet pumps in parallel - works great.
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Dave Bigelow
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Subject: | Re: HKS Fuel system |
> This is good until the lighting coil in the engine quits, or a fuse
blows.
> This still puts all the eggs in one basket... After 545 hours I will
> still
> use the facet pump as a backup to the pump on the 912.
>
> Boyd
Hi Boyd:
Correct me if I am wrong. The 912 series engine use an alternator for
aircraft power, and two seperate generators for the two seperate ignition
systems. I think that is the way I remember being taught in Rotax 912
engine school.
Am I to understand the HKS uses one system to power accessories and dual
ign?
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: HKS Fuel system |
Dave B, are they separately fused/relayed or both?
BB
On 4, Sep 2008, at 10:33 AM, boyd wrote:
>
> This is good until the lighting coil in the engine quits, or a fuse
> blows.
> This still puts all the eggs in one basket... After 545 hours I
> will still
> use the facet pump as a backup to the pump on the 912.
>
> Boyd
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> I have two electric facet pumps in parallel - works great.
>
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Mixture control for Bing |
I have a pair of these carburetors that I do not need.? Essentially new condition.?
Email off list if interested.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:01 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Mixture control for Bing
?
Morning Gang:?
?
Got a bc from Jerry Olenik reference his in flight adustable carb set up.?
?
Give Jerry a call if interested.?
?
john h?
mkIII?
?
----- Original Message ----- From: "golenik" <golenik@greenskyadventures.com>?
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:58 PM?
Subject: Mixture control for Bing?
?
> Hi John,?
> I heard from one of our Kolb HKS customers that someone was asking about?
> mixture control for Bing. We make the HACman which works well with the > Bing?
> 54 and also the Bing Constant Velocity carbs as used on HKS, Jabiru, and?
> Rotax 912.?
> THere is info at?
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/4strokePG2.htm?
> and?
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmanorder.htm?
> and?
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/HACmandetails.htm?
>?
> Fuel savings are substantial.?
> Hope all is well?
> Jerry?
>?
> Gerald J. Olenik, pres.?
> Green Sky Adventures, Inc.?
> 326 Melrose Landing Blvd?
> Hawthorne, Fl. 32640?
>?
> 352 475-5625 or toll free 888 887-5625?
> Jerry's cell 352 318-5625?
?
?
?
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Subject: | Re: Econo Miser!! |
At 08:52 AM 9/4/08 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Jerb
>
> Easy to make your own....A quick look at the exploded drawing on
>the UL news site tells the story... I would install stops such that
>the needle could only travel the distance from the lower to the top
>clip position... maybe a bit more? Otherwise a geared turns counter
>on the inst panel would be wise...
>
> Jacks design may be more eloquent... ? Gonna post it to your site
>Jack? Herb
>
Herb,
I will post it when I am sure it is going to do the job. My goal is to
raise the EGT from one slot rich. I flew yesterday with 3/4th of a slot
rich which is 1/4 a slot richer than my coldest winter setting for the
Victor 1+. The best vacuum I could pull was 4.2 inches of water, and so I
could not raise the EGT to the upper limit on some of the lower cruise
engine speeds.
I just finished making an adapter so I can replace the altitude compensation
plug in the Bing with a hose barb. This source should produce lower
pressures than the inlet probe. If the weather clears up, I will try it out
today. If this works, it will make it easier to convert to the system as one
will not have to remove the carburetor to install the current probe. Right
now I am using a junk gage and flow throttling valve. I am so encouraged
that I ordered a new flow throttling valve, a vacuum gage and thin wall
light tubing. At this point it looks very promising. Valve adjustment is not
sensitive, and the pressure and EGT reading are holding steady. I thought
of discarding the gage, but a gage costs less than a multiple turn readout
scale locking dial for the valve and doesn't weigh much more.
Fly Safe!
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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Subject: | Re: HKS Fuel system |
Hi Mark
I currently have 284 hrs on my engine, installed it in early 06 first flt was April
of 06, I am very happy with everything about the engine.
Mark asked:
BTW how many hours are on your HKS?
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GB
MNFlyer
Flying a HKS Kitfox III
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At 12:30 AM 9/4/2008, you wrote:
>
>I keep expecting to see a rooster on top of the little weathervane
>Possums uses as a yaw indicator [Wink]
>
>Mike
No .....that would throw my aim off during "Duck Hunting" season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BCLoq3a4OA
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Mixture control for Bing |
>
Guys,
Some of our local pilots used these adjustable needles, but none are
now, perhaps because we don't hear about them anymore. One pilot had
an engine-out and off-field landing because he adjusted the carb at
altitude and forgot to readjust when he later descended. Two cycles
don't tolerate lean conditions all that well. I found with them that
when jetted for sea level I could fly to any altitude, including 10
to 12k without problem, though likely greater fuel burn and slightly
less power at higher altitudes.
My .02.
Jerry
Fresno
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Subject: | Re: Mixture control for Bing |
I have the Arctic Sparrow adjustable needles in the carbs on a 503. I find that
I don't make adjustments in flight any more.
The reason I installed them was to richen the mid rage (3000-4800 RPM) to keep
EGT within limits on descents with partial power. It does increase pilot work
load and is easy to turn one the wrong way, get confused, then turn the wrong
carb needle, forget which way you turned it, and end up with a rough running
engine.
It takes too much attention watching the EGT...it lags a few seconds behind the
needle adjustment...to make sure you adjusted correctly when you should have
your head up looking outside the airplane.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestat II and Sport Pilot |
Hi List
Anyone have a BRS 1050 for sale?
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Subject: | Re: HKS Fuel system |
> This is good until the lighting coil in the engine quits, or a fuse
blows.
> This still puts all the eggs in one basket... After 545 hours I will
> still
> use the facet pump as a backup to the pump on the 912.
>
> Boyd
>Hi Boyd:
>Correct me if I am wrong. The 912 series engine use an alternator for
>aircraft power, and two seperate generators for the two seperate ignition
systems. I think that is the way I remember being taught in Rotax 912
>engine school.
>Am I to understand the HKS uses one system to power accessories and dual
>ign?
>john h
>mkIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
John... I think you are right... but for clarity I believe the lighting
and 2 cdi and also the tach coils are all on the same stator, they have
separate output wires that feed their intended destinations. And you could
have one coil go bad, say the left cdi... and the engine would still run on
the right cdi... but if the lighting coil goes out, you are finished with
charging the battery, and would be left with what power is in the battery.
I do not believe there is a redundant backup to the lighting coil.
My point was not that he would loose the spark if the lighting coil went
out,,, only that if his only source of getting fuel to the engine was the 2
facet pumps.... and no engine driven pump. An electrical failure would
quickly become an engine failure due to fuel exhaustion. If the charging
circuit fails the battery should keep things going for a while,,
but if a main buss fuse blows,,,
even with the lighting coil working,,,
no electricity to the pumps,,,
no gas to the engine,,,
no turning of the prop,
look for a place to set it down.
If my only source of fuel pumping was 2 electric pumps,,, I would want 2
batteries,, 2 fuses,, 2 switches,,, in order to have it redundant.. and
maybe Dave has that under control. If not I would rethink something.
Or maybe I missed something in the translation and my thoughts are all wet.
I am a plumber you know. It could happen. I kind of got mostly wet this
afternoon,, but that is another story.
Boyd Young
MkIII
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