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1. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: Puzzled (Tony Oldman)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. (KOLB AIRCRAFT)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: LSA (Thomas R. Riddle)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: Puzzled (grantr)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: Homecoming (John Hauck)
6. 06:49 AM - Re: fuel line? (lucien)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: fuel line? (lucien)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: fuel line? ()
9. 07:31 AM - Re: I am officially a sport pilot! (grantr)
10. 07:42 AM - 2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck)
11. 07:46 AM - Wood props, was: Re: wood resonance 912 (lucien)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: Here we go again (lucien)
13. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: I am officially a sport pilot! (russ kinne)
14. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague)
15. 10:43 AM - Kolb List: I am officially a sport pilot (william sullivan)
16. 03:03 PM - List Etiquette (Everyone Must Read This)... (Matt Dralle)
17. 03:31 PM - Kolb MkIII building progress (Mike Welch)
18. 04:03 PM - Engine for Kolb MkIII (mark rinehart)
19. 06:34 PM - Re: Engine for Kolb MkIII (JetPilot)
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Yep that about says it . When I get bitchy I go flying and come home with a
smile on my face. Works every time. Then again I tend to get bitchy about
the things I do that are not working as I would wish ,not what others are
doing or saying, Every one on this list has the ability and desire to learn
from others, after all thats why we are here.{is it not} There is a quote I
see on this list that says" its worth what you paid for it"Thats right on
the button .My humble advice would be if you are dealing with something out
side your comfort zone then ask someone you trust, ask plenty of questions ,
the truth is never far away. If some one ruffles your feathers ,get over
it. Kolbs are great fun and most people that play with them are also great
fun.
Downunder
MK111 classic
400 Hours { a lot less than some on this list }
Mang regards and safe flying
Tony
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Puzzled
>
>
> Mike B:
>
> Recommend you contact individuals you are having problems with back copy.
>
> This petty crap has nothing to do with Kolb building or flying.
>
> I, for one, am not interested.
>
> I speak for myself, but probably echo the sentiments of many others on
> this List that don't seem to have the same personal problems you are
> having.
>
> Enough is enough.
>
> john h
> mkIII - Getting older every minute. Ain't got time to waste on mickey
> mouse BS.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. |
----- Original Message -----
From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee.
<customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee.
>
>
> <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee.
> >
> >
> > <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>
> > >
> > > THUMPER, COME TO KOLB AIRCRAFT HOMECOMING SEPT. 19, 20, 21, AND WE CAN
> > HELP
> > > YOU. THANKS DONNIE.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thumper" <dlong1957@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:46 PM
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone within a half days drive of Memphis consider taking me up in
a
> > two
> > > seat Kolb? I am just about ready to fly my recently purchased
Ultrastar
> > and
> > > need re-familiarized with it. I will pay your fuel bill. I have been
> > > getting some time is a Cub but everything I have read and remember
there
> > are
> > > many differences I need briefed on. Just some landings and several
> hours
> > > should be enough. My time 20 years ago was in MXL 2's and MXL
amounted
> to
> > > over 40 hours plus several hours in a Zenair Zipper (any of those
still
> > > around?). Anyone will ing to help.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --------
> > > > Dennis Long
> > > > Oakland TN
> > > > Kolb Ultrastar Owner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Read this topic online here:
> > > >
> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0273#200273
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Attachments:
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> > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1356_812.jpg
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George,
I agree with your reading of the quoted FARs... it is pretty clear.
Perhaps what I should have said is that the way it will probably(my
opinion) be enforced (if it can be policed at all) is the way that I
described. In General Aviation (before Rec Pilot and now Sport Pilot)
there has been a de facto "ranking", and that is the basis for my
belief that this SP rule may be enforced (again, if it is possible to
do so) with this ranking legacy and mentality.
When I learned to fly a tail wheel airplane (PA-11), there was no such
thing as a "tail wheel" endorsement. When I learned to fly a Mooney,
there was no such thing as a "complex" endorsement, neither was their
a "high performance" endorsement. These came about later and resulted
in a de facto ranking system. Although the 61.300 series FARS that
deal with Sport Pilots seems to eliminate that for this Airman
Certificate, there is a move underway to "normalize" the Sport Pilot
regs to be more like the pre-Sport Pilot airman regs. Time will tell
if the regs actually change to reflect this.
Thom in Buffalo
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If you guys must bash each other, Why not keep it in personal messages or personal
emails [Question] that way the whole list doesn't have to see this. This
thread should have not been started here.
This kind of stuff looks bad to new people lurking on the forum.
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Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Homecoming |
Good luck, Ed:
Hope you all all the other folks ride this one out with no problems.
john h
mkIII
I just got back from the hanger where I folded the fir
efly and secured her in the enclosed trailer which is inside the hanger!
Hope she will be ok! Ike is supposed to be here by Fri. Hope I can get thi
ngs to a point that I can make the Homecoming ! I ve got my tickets.
Ed (in Houston)
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John Hauck wrote:
> Bob B:
>
> I am still scratching my head trying to figure why folks use plastic fuel
> lines, when "good ole" black neoprene is readily available, cheap, durable,
> and reliable. Only reason anyone has come up with is to see the bubbles in
> the line.
> mkIII
The hazard with the fuel line from the auto parts store is that it's layered, usually
with a webbing of some kind seperating the pleats. The idea here is it's
designed for fuel systems that are under pressue, not under vacuum.
The problem is that the pleats can seperate over time; the inner pleat can then
collapse under vacuum with the expected results.
This is a personal experience item, nothing I read off the Internet. The first
time it happened to me was on one of my 503's (on my trike years ago, fortunately
caught at a maintenance interval before it actually put me down in a field)
was enough for me to make it the last time.
I've used only the tygothane clear line from the usual a/c suppliers ever since.
I'd love to run Aeroquip line as well, but I havn't researched how to deal with
the fittings on my tank and on the Rotax fuel pumps for a good attachment.
The tygothane lasts a long time and is a proven good solution on our light Rotax
powered a/c. Works for me...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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[quote="lucien"]
John Hauck wrote:
> Bob B:
>
> I am still scratching my head trying to figure why folks use plastic fuel
> lines, when "good ole" black neoprene is readily available, cheap, durable,
> and reliable. Only reason anyone has come up with is to see the bubbles in
> the line.
> mkIII
Oops forgot my second point.
The other HUGE advantage, the main advantage I'd say, of the clear line is the
ability to inspect it. Being able to inspect critical systems is the life blood
of flying those systems through the air.
Opaque lines like the black neoprene lines cannot be inspected for problems without
actually removing them and even then it's difficult to spot problems with
the inner pleats in longer runs. So generally it just never is inspected except
on the outside and it's quality has to be taken on faith. Not good......
The clear tygothane lines, on the other hand, can be easily and thoroughly inspected
with it still on the plane and defects are easy to spot.
Don't ask me why I know this...
Having to change it out from time to time is, in my experience, a very small trade-off
compared to the ability to inspect the lines conveniently and effectively.
Well worth it...
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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Some black fuel lines start breaking down when an oil mix is run thru them
after awhile and you can find small black pieces in the filer. The best
black fuel line would be a marine grade used for gas and oil mixes.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Sent: 2008-09-11 09:49
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line?
>
>
> John Hauck wrote:
>> Bob B:
>>
>> I am still scratching my head trying to figure why folks use plastic fuel
>> lines, when "good ole" black neoprene is readily available, cheap,
>> durable,
>> and reliable. Only reason anyone has come up with is to see the bubbles
>> in
>> the line.
>> mkIII
>
>
> The hazard with the fuel line from the auto parts store is that it's
> layered, usually with a webbing of some kind seperating the pleats. The
> idea here is it's designed for fuel systems that are under pressue, not
> under vacuum.
>
> The problem is that the pleats can seperate over time; the inner pleat can
> then collapse under vacuum with the expected results.
>
> This is a personal experience item, nothing I read off the Internet. The
> first time it happened to me was on one of my 503's (on my trike years
> ago, fortunately caught at a maintenance interval before it actually put
> me down in a field) was enough for me to make it the last time.
>
> I've used only the tygothane clear line from the usual a/c suppliers ever
> since.
>
> I'd love to run Aeroquip line as well, but I havn't researched how to deal
> with the fittings on my tank and on the Rotax fuel pumps for a good
> attachment.
>
> The tygothane lasts a long time and is a proven good solution on our light
> Rotax powered a/c. Works for me...
>
> LS
>
> --------
> LS
> Titan II SS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3797#203797
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: I am officially a sport pilot! |
Thanks everyone!
Here is a picture
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Subject: | 2008 Kolb Homecoming |
Weather for London, KY, next Thu, Fri, and Sat, is forecast "sunny".
Hope is stays that way.
Looking forward to another great weekend and flyin.
john h
mkIII
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Subject: | Re: Wood props, was: Re: wood resonance 912 |
Dana wrote:
> At 02:23 PM 9/9/2008, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> > Wood props are very fragile, and are very likely to be broken by something
coming off a pusher plane like a Kolb. This is a very well known fact.
> >
> > If anyone out there is starting to wonder after reading Terrys very misleading
post, read this:
> >
> > http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/418892/four_disadvantages_of_aircraft_propellers.html (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/418892/four_disadvantages_of_aircraft_propellers.html)
> >
> > http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~dddj/Powershift.htm (http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~dddj/Powershift.htm)
>
> Mike,
>
> I don't agree.
>
> You can't make a blanket statement that "wood props are more fragile" or "composite
props are better". Wood is more susceptible to some kinds of damage and
less susceptible to other kinds.
>
I can't agree either.
I've flown wood props on several of the planes I've owned and my experience has
not been that they're overly fragile.
Most woodies, probably all of them in fact, are made from laminated blocks. Laminating
wood in this fashion is a time-honored/well-known way to create a very
strong, warp-free material for making props.
The loosening bolt thing I would consider to be a non-argument, as loose prop bolts
easily corrected with a torque wrench are more properly considered owner/operator
error and not the fault of the prop. Laminated woodies don't suffer from
this problem to a huge degree anyway.
Woodies also have the advantage of light weight, particularly as compared to metal
props. This is important for us with our smaller motors that are more sensitive
to moment-of-inertia affects.
Easy repairability of the woody is time-honored and pretty well understoond also.
The failure mode of a good woody is not generally a complete explosion. Highly
laminated wood blocks don't generally fail that way, since the grains of the laminates
don't all run in the same direction (to my knowledge).
I've never been a strong advocate of putting objects through spinning props anyway,
tho, so I'm not too overly concerned about this particular aspect of it ;).
But in case it does happen without my consent, and it has with one or two of
my woodies in the past, the woodies seem to be very durable to me.
Would I run one on my 912s? In a heartbeat if there were one appropriate for my
plane....
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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Subject: | Re: Here we go again |
aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Ladies and Gentleman, May I offer a suggestion based on experience?
>
Remember folks: this is a mailing list.
If you're thinking of it otherwise - as a community, or online Rotary Club - you
need to get out more.
You can save a lot of heartache by seeking socialization elsewhere and using these
lists for what they are - mailing lists.
Just a friendly suggestion ;).
LS
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LS
Titan II SS
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Subject: | Re: I am officially a sport pilot! |
WAY TO GO, GRANT!! CONGRATULATIONS
On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:31 AM, grantr wrote:
> <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> Here is a picture
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3805#203805
>
>
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At 09:49 AM 9/11/2008, lucien wrote:
>The hazard with the fuel line from the auto parts store is that it's
>layered, usually with a webbing of some kind seperating the pleats. The
>idea here is it's designed for fuel systems that are under pressue, not
>under vacuum...
Not necessarily. Although most if not all newer cars have fuel injection
and an electric pump located in or near the fuel tank pushing the fuel,
there are lots of older cars out there using only an engine driven pump
pulling the fuel from the tank. I've owned some old cars with rubber fuel
line looking so crispy that you'd think a feather touch would make it
disintegrate, but it held even while the metal lines rusted out.
But I'll still use clear line on my various flying machines.
-Dana
--
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.
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Subject: | Kolb List: I am officially a sport pilot |
- Nice going, Grant.- Congratulations!
-
do not archive
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------------------ Bill Sullivan
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Subject: | List Etiquette (Everyone Must Read This)... |
Okay, so this is out of control. I have gotten numerous complaints in recent days
about the content on the Kolb-List. I'm not going to point any fingers or
publicly spank anyone. I expect everyone to conduct themselves as adults on
these forums and treat all other members with respect. Moreover, this is a List
about KOLBS. It is not a list about pointing fingers or other such behavior.
As most of you know, I prefer to run the List unmoderated and open as I think it
generally allows people to freely and openly discuss their opinions. I do not
like to step in with a heavy hand and dictate what should or shouldn't be discussed.
That being said, the rules from paragraph one above are of paramount
importance.
READ THIS
Starting with message, any posts that are not about Kolbs, or in anyway attack
other members or are just generally offensive will subject the offending person
an unceremonious 14-day block from posting. Period. No exceptions. The offender
will not be directly notified of the block, their posts will simply be
rejected.
No need to respond to this message. Any further messages must be about Kolbs.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
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Subject: | Kolb MkIII building progress |
Hello to all those that give a hoot!
My apologies if I haven't responded to anyone's emails=2C I'm still rough
ing it and have to use the library computer=2C and still live in an RV trai
ler while I build my 40 X 48 hangar (w/ living qrtrs). Then the house is n
ext...
After being able to work full time on my MkIII all last year=2C I miss wo
rking on the Kolb...but the hangar is almost done=2C and soon=2C I'll be ba
ck at it. I'll post a couple of pics of the hangar=2C to anyone who cares.
I'm planning on making it to the Kolb Homecoming...hope=2C hope!! See ya
there.
Oh=2C BTW=2C I'm glad to hear from Rick and Rev Richard. Missed you'ze g
uys!!
Kolbs are cool! (Hope this is Kolb related enough :) )
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
_________________________________________________________________
See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part
of your life.
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Subject: | Engine for Kolb MkIII |
I'm looking for a used Rotax 912 (preferrably) or a 582 for my Mark III Classic.
If you know of any good deals please let me know. I'll be at the Kolb Open
House in September.
Mark Rinehart
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Subject: | Re: Engine for Kolb MkIII |
A friend of mine is selling a low time Rotax 582 that is currently flying on his
plane, he is switching to a VW conversion. I dont know the price, but I will
put him in contact with you if you like.
Mike
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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