---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/11/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:55 AM - Re: Re: Puzzled (Tony Oldman) 2. 04:53 AM - Re: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. (KOLB AIRCRAFT) 3. 05:06 AM - Re: LSA (Thomas R. Riddle) 4. 05:24 AM - Re: Puzzled (grantr) 5. 06:09 AM - Re: Homecoming (John Hauck) 6. 06:49 AM - Re: fuel line? (lucien) 7. 06:59 AM - Re: fuel line? (lucien) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: fuel line? () 9. 07:31 AM - Re: I am officially a sport pilot! (grantr) 10. 07:42 AM - 2008 Kolb Homecoming (John Hauck) 11. 07:46 AM - Wood props, was: Re: wood resonance 912 (lucien) 12. 08:07 AM - Re: Here we go again (lucien) 13. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: I am officially a sport pilot! (russ kinne) 14. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: fuel line? (Dana Hague) 15. 10:43 AM - Kolb List: I am officially a sport pilot (william sullivan) 16. 03:03 PM - List Etiquette (Everyone Must Read This)... (Matt Dralle) 17. 03:31 PM - Kolb MkIII building progress (Mike Welch) 18. 04:03 PM - Engine for Kolb MkIII (mark rinehart) 19. 06:34 PM - Re: Engine for Kolb MkIII (JetPilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:14 AM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Puzzled Yep that about says it . When I get bitchy I go flying and come home with a smile on my face. Works every time. Then again I tend to get bitchy about the things I do that are not working as I would wish ,not what others are doing or saying, Every one on this list has the ability and desire to learn from others, after all thats why we are here.{is it not} There is a quote I see on this list that says" its worth what you paid for it"Thats right on the button .My humble advice would be if you are dealing with something out side your comfort zone then ask someone you trust, ask plenty of questions , the truth is never far away. If some one ruffles your feathers ,get over it. Kolbs are great fun and most people that play with them are also great fun. Downunder MK111 classic 400 Hours { a lot less than some on this list } Mang regards and safe flying Tony From: "John Hauck" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Puzzled > > > Mike B: > > Recommend you contact individuals you are having problems with back copy. > > This petty crap has nothing to do with Kolb building or flying. > > I, for one, am not interested. > > I speak for myself, but probably echo the sentiments of many others on > this List that don't seem to have the same personal problems you are > having. > > Enough is enough. > > john h > mkIII - Getting older every minute. Ain't got time to waste on mickey > mouse BS. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:28 AM PST US From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:09 AM > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > THUMPER, COME TO KOLB AIRCRAFT HOMECOMING SEPT. 19, 20, 21, AND WE CAN > > HELP > > > YOU. THANKS DONNIE. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Thumper" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:46 PM > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb time needed W Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone within a half days drive of Memphis consider taking me up in a > > two > > > seat Kolb? I am just about ready to fly my recently purchased Ultrastar > > and > > > need re-familiarized with it. I will pay your fuel bill. I have been > > > getting some time is a Cub but everything I have read and remember there > > are > > > many differences I need briefed on. Just some landings and several > hours > > > should be enough. My time 20 years ago was in MXL 2's and MXL amounted > to > > > over 40 hours plus several hours in a Zenair Zipper (any of those still > > > around?). Anyone will ing to help. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > Dennis Long > > > > Oakland TN > > > > Kolb Ultrastar Owner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0273#200273 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1356_812.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:46 AM PST US From: "Thomas R. Riddle" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: LSA George, I agree with your reading of the quoted FARs... it is pretty clear. Perhaps what I should have said is that the way it will probably(my opinion) be enforced (if it can be policed at all) is the way that I described. In General Aviation (before Rec Pilot and now Sport Pilot) there has been a de facto "ranking", and that is the basis for my belief that this SP rule may be enforced (again, if it is possible to do so) with this ranking legacy and mentality. When I learned to fly a tail wheel airplane (PA-11), there was no such thing as a "tail wheel" endorsement. When I learned to fly a Mooney, there was no such thing as a "complex" endorsement, neither was their a "high performance" endorsement. These came about later and resulted in a de facto ranking system. Although the 61.300 series FARS that deal with Sport Pilots seems to eliminate that for this Airman Certificate, there is a move underway to "normalize" the Sport Pilot regs to be more like the pre-Sport Pilot airman regs. Time will tell if the regs actually change to reflect this. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Puzzled From: "grantr" If you guys must bash each other, Why not keep it in personal messages or personal emails [Question] that way the whole list doesn't have to see this. This thread should have not been started here. This kind of stuff looks bad to new people lurking on the forum. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3781#203781 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:54 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Homecoming Good luck, Ed: Hope you all all the other folks ride this one out with no problems. john h mkIII I just got back from the hanger where I folded the fir efly and secured her in the enclosed trailer which is inside the hanger! Hope she will be ok! Ike is supposed to be here by Fri. Hope I can get thi ngs to a point that I can make the Homecoming ! I ve got my tickets. Ed (in Houston) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:50 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? From: "lucien" John Hauck wrote: > Bob B: > > I am still scratching my head trying to figure why folks use plastic fuel > lines, when "good ole" black neoprene is readily available, cheap, durable, > and reliable. Only reason anyone has come up with is to see the bubbles in > the line. > mkIII The hazard with the fuel line from the auto parts store is that it's layered, usually with a webbing of some kind seperating the pleats. The idea here is it's designed for fuel systems that are under pressue, not under vacuum. The problem is that the pleats can seperate over time; the inner pleat can then collapse under vacuum with the expected results. This is a personal experience item, nothing I read off the Internet. The first time it happened to me was on one of my 503's (on my trike years ago, fortunately caught at a maintenance interval before it actually put me down in a field) was enough for me to make it the last time. I've used only the tygothane clear line from the usual a/c suppliers ever since. I'd love to run Aeroquip line as well, but I havn't researched how to deal with the fittings on my tank and on the Rotax fuel pumps for a good attachment. The tygothane lasts a long time and is a proven good solution on our light Rotax powered a/c. Works for me... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3797#203797 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? From: "lucien" [quote="lucien"] John Hauck wrote: > Bob B: > > I am still scratching my head trying to figure why folks use plastic fuel > lines, when "good ole" black neoprene is readily available, cheap, durable, > and reliable. Only reason anyone has come up with is to see the bubbles in > the line. > mkIII Oops forgot my second point. The other HUGE advantage, the main advantage I'd say, of the clear line is the ability to inspect it. Being able to inspect critical systems is the life blood of flying those systems through the air. Opaque lines like the black neoprene lines cannot be inspected for problems without actually removing them and even then it's difficult to spot problems with the inner pleats in longer runs. So generally it just never is inspected except on the outside and it's quality has to be taken on faith. Not good...... The clear tygothane lines, on the other hand, can be easily and thoroughly inspected with it still on the plane and defects are easy to spot. Don't ask me why I know this... Having to change it out from time to time is, in my experience, a very small trade-off compared to the ability to inspect the lines conveniently and effectively. Well worth it... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3800#203800 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:50 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? Some black fuel lines start breaking down when an oil mix is run thru them after awhile and you can find small black pieces in the filer. The best black fuel line would be a marine grade used for gas and oil mixes. -------------------------------------------------- From: "lucien" Sent: 2008-09-11 09:49 Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? > > > John Hauck wrote: >> Bob B: >> >> I am still scratching my head trying to figure why folks use plastic fuel >> lines, when "good ole" black neoprene is readily available, cheap, >> durable, >> and reliable. Only reason anyone has come up with is to see the bubbles >> in >> the line. >> mkIII > > > The hazard with the fuel line from the auto parts store is that it's > layered, usually with a webbing of some kind seperating the pleats. The > idea here is it's designed for fuel systems that are under pressue, not > under vacuum. > > The problem is that the pleats can seperate over time; the inner pleat can > then collapse under vacuum with the expected results. > > This is a personal experience item, nothing I read off the Internet. The > first time it happened to me was on one of my 503's (on my trike years > ago, fortunately caught at a maintenance interval before it actually put > me down in a field) was enough for me to make it the last time. > > I've used only the tygothane clear line from the usual a/c suppliers ever > since. > > I'd love to run Aeroquip line as well, but I havn't researched how to deal > with the fittings on my tank and on the Rotax fuel pumps for a good > attachment. > > The tygothane lasts a long time and is a proven good solution on our light > Rotax powered a/c. Works for me... > > LS > > -------- > LS > Titan II SS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3797#203797 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I am officially a sport pilot! From: "grantr" Thanks everyone! Here is a picture Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3805#203805 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:42 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: 2008 Kolb Homecoming Weather for London, KY, next Thu, Fri, and Sat, is forecast "sunny". Hope is stays that way. Looking forward to another great weekend and flyin. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Wood props, was: Re: wood resonance 912 From: "lucien" Dana wrote: > At 02:23 PM 9/9/2008, JetPilot wrote: > > > > Wood props are very fragile, and are very likely to be broken by something coming off a pusher plane like a Kolb. This is a very well known fact. > > > > If anyone out there is starting to wonder after reading Terrys very misleading post, read this: > > > > http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/418892/four_disadvantages_of_aircraft_propellers.html (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/418892/four_disadvantages_of_aircraft_propellers.html) > > > > http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~dddj/Powershift.htm (http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~dddj/Powershift.htm) > > Mike, > > I don't agree. > > You can't make a blanket statement that "wood props are more fragile" or "composite props are better". Wood is more susceptible to some kinds of damage and less susceptible to other kinds. > I can't agree either. I've flown wood props on several of the planes I've owned and my experience has not been that they're overly fragile. Most woodies, probably all of them in fact, are made from laminated blocks. Laminating wood in this fashion is a time-honored/well-known way to create a very strong, warp-free material for making props. The loosening bolt thing I would consider to be a non-argument, as loose prop bolts easily corrected with a torque wrench are more properly considered owner/operator error and not the fault of the prop. Laminated woodies don't suffer from this problem to a huge degree anyway. Woodies also have the advantage of light weight, particularly as compared to metal props. This is important for us with our smaller motors that are more sensitive to moment-of-inertia affects. Easy repairability of the woody is time-honored and pretty well understoond also. The failure mode of a good woody is not generally a complete explosion. Highly laminated wood blocks don't generally fail that way, since the grains of the laminates don't all run in the same direction (to my knowledge). I've never been a strong advocate of putting objects through spinning props anyway, tho, so I'm not too overly concerned about this particular aspect of it ;). But in case it does happen without my consent, and it has with one or two of my woodies in the past, the woodies seem to be very durable to me. Would I run one on my 912s? In a heartbeat if there were one appropriate for my plane.... LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3810#203810 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Here we go again From: "lucien" aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com wrote: > Ladies and Gentleman, May I offer a suggestion based on experience? > Remember folks: this is a mailing list. If you're thinking of it otherwise - as a community, or online Rotary Club - you need to get out more. You can save a lot of heartache by seeking socialization elsewhere and using these lists for what they are - mailing lists. Just a friendly suggestion ;). LS -------- LS Titan II SS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3813#203813 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:03 AM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I am officially a sport pilot! WAY TO GO, GRANT!! CONGRATULATIONS On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:31 AM, grantr wrote: > > > Thanks everyone! > > Here is a picture > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3805#203805 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:27 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fuel line? At 09:49 AM 9/11/2008, lucien wrote: >The hazard with the fuel line from the auto parts store is that it's >layered, usually with a webbing of some kind seperating the pleats. The >idea here is it's designed for fuel systems that are under pressue, not >under vacuum... Not necessarily. Although most if not all newer cars have fuel injection and an electric pump located in or near the fuel tank pushing the fuel, there are lots of older cars out there using only an engine driven pump pulling the fuel from the tank. I've owned some old cars with rubber fuel line looking so crispy that you'd think a feather touch would make it disintegrate, but it held even while the metal lines rusted out. But I'll still use clear line on my various flying machines. -Dana -- Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:24 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb List: I am officially a sport pilot - Nice going, Grant.- Congratulations! - do not archive ------------------------- ------------------ Bill Sullivan ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:25 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: List Etiquette (Everyone Must Read This)... Okay, so this is out of control. I have gotten numerous complaints in recent days about the content on the Kolb-List. I'm not going to point any fingers or publicly spank anyone. I expect everyone to conduct themselves as adults on these forums and treat all other members with respect. Moreover, this is a List about KOLBS. It is not a list about pointing fingers or other such behavior. As most of you know, I prefer to run the List unmoderated and open as I think it generally allows people to freely and openly discuss their opinions. I do not like to step in with a heavy hand and dictate what should or shouldn't be discussed. That being said, the rules from paragraph one above are of paramount importance. READ THIS Starting with message, any posts that are not about Kolbs, or in anyway attack other members or are just generally offensive will subject the offending person an unceremonious 14-day block from posting. Period. No exceptions. The offender will not be directly notified of the block, their posts will simply be rejected. No need to respond to this message. Any further messages must be about Kolbs. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:31 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MkIII building progress Hello to all those that give a hoot! My apologies if I haven't responded to anyone's emails=2C I'm still rough ing it and have to use the library computer=2C and still live in an RV trai ler while I build my 40 X 48 hangar (w/ living qrtrs). Then the house is n ext... After being able to work full time on my MkIII all last year=2C I miss wo rking on the Kolb...but the hangar is almost done=2C and soon=2C I'll be ba ck at it. I'll post a couple of pics of the hangar=2C to anyone who cares. I'm planning on making it to the Kolb Homecoming...hope=2C hope!! See ya there. Oh=2C BTW=2C I'm glad to hear from Rick and Rev Richard. Missed you'ze g uys!! Kolbs are cool! (Hope this is Kolb related enough :) ) Mike Welch MkIII CX _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part of your life. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:58 PM PST US From: mark rinehart Subject: Kolb-List: Engine for Kolb MkIII I'm looking for a used Rotax 912 (preferrably) or a 582 for my Mark III Classic. If you know of any good deals please let me know. I'll be at the Kolb Open House in September. Mark Rinehart ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine for Kolb MkIII From: "JetPilot" A friend of mine is selling a low time Rotax 582 that is currently flying on his plane, he is switching to a VW conversion. I dont know the price, but I will put him in contact with you if you like. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! 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